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#151 wintermute0
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I'm one of twenty-three in my family, and my father has six wives, and they all live with us. When I turned 20, my father gave me my frist computer, and now I go to starbucks with it and get on the internet... eversince I've been browsing the web, I hear all sorts of slanderous negativity regarding polygamy. How, exactly, is polygamy a bad thing? I'm really looking forward to getting married several times and having several wives. Did you know that there are over 40 polygamists in the Bible? It was ok then, but why not now? Is it because of the satan-consumed media?

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You and your family are wasting space.... there is no need for anyone to have that many kids

How is a family with 20 kids any worse than 20 familys with one kid each? You lose, sir. You also lose points for Korn avatar.

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#152 Trollsters
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[QUOTE="wintermute0"]

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="wintermute0"]

I'm one of twenty-three in my family, and my father has six wives, and they all live with us. When I turned 20, my father gave me my frist computer, and now I go to starbucks with it and get on the internet... eversince I've been browsing the web, I hear all sorts of slanderous negativity regarding polygamy. How, exactly, is polygamy a bad thing? I'm really looking forward to getting married several times and having several wives. Did you know that there are over 40 polygamists in the Bible? It was ok then, but why not now? Is it because of the satan-consumed media?

You and your family are wasting space.... there is no need for anyone to have that many kids

How is a family with 20 kids any worse than 20 familys with one kid each? You lose, sir. You also lose points for Korn avatar.

The problem is over population. the 20 familys with one kid each will probobly have at the most 2-3 kids in the next generation. no normal american family would produce much more than that. Each of your siblings have it ingrained in their mind that they should have 20 kids. so your parents had 20 kids, so if your siblings follow in their footsteps they would produce over 400 kids, then those kids would produce an ungodly amount of children. you see where this is a problem?
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#153 bsman00
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[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="wintermute0"]

I'm one of twenty-three in my family, and my father has six wives, and they all live with us. When I turned 20, my father gave me my frist computer, and now I go to starbucks with it and get on the internet... eversince I've been browsing the web, I hear all sorts of slanderous negativity regarding polygamy. How, exactly, is polygamy a bad thing? I'm really looking forward to getting married several times and having several wives. Did you know that there are over 40 polygamists in the Bible? It was ok then, but why not now? Is it because of the satan-consumed media?

wintermute0

You and your family are wasting space.... there is no need for anyone to have that many kids

How is a family with 20 kids any worse than 20 familys with one kid each? You lose, sir. You also lose points for Korn avatar.

Yeah thats how it should be 1 person to replace you ... you dont need to spread you seed 20 times over.... over population is the problem...

o and Korn ROCKS! sucka!

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#154 foxhound_fox
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How is a family with 20 kids any worse than 20 familys with one kid each?wintermute0

Any amount of children that are over the amount of parents is contributing to the population growth. A two parent family with two biological children is a neutral population growth. When the parents die, the two children will replace them in the population. There are so many children out there in need of adoption, good parents and love, that it should be illegal to have more than two biological children.

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#155 wintermute0
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Guys, are you telling me that there are equal number of polygamist families as there are normal families? Your arguments are flawed, because there are FAR more normal families with one to three children than there are polygamist families with 20 children. The ratio is completely off. It's ridiculous to blame polygamists for overpopulation; if you're going to attempt to, do some research first.

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#156 MattUD1
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Guys, are you telling me that there are equal number of polygamist families as there are normal families? Your arguments are flawed, because there are FAR more normal families with one to three children than there are polygamist families with 20 children. The ratio is completely off. It's ridiculous to blame polygamists for overpopulation; if you're going to attempt to, do some research first.

wintermute0
But most normal families have neutral or negative growth ( 2 or 1 child respectively). In your families case you have positive growth (+23) which is significantly more than a normal family structure. Plus, if you family raised you and your brothers to also take multiple wives and have multiple children with those wives, lets say you and your five brothers (6 in total) also have 23 children each we have 138 children. Those in a neutral growth situation would probably also have two children or have one child. It is also likely that they would have more than one child (usually 3 but it isn't unheard of to have a few more).
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#157 thegrimpeeper
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Because in several polygimist families who have a rediculous amount of childeren but only 1 bread winner, the childeren often go unsupported. Also this reduces your "wife", the person who you are supposed to be best friends with, and who you are to work as a team with to raise your family into just another body in your personal harem.

And as for polygimy in the bible, Just because it is in the bible does not mean it was approved by god, for example,

From the very beginning God created one woman for one man (see Genesis 1:27 2:21-25).

Deuteronomy 17:17 explicitly instructed the king not to "multiply wives."

Moses' law said, the king "shall not multiply horses to himself… Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold" (Deuteronomy 17:16-17).

As far as Abraham taking his servant as a second wife in order to produce a child, this for the most part is seen as weakness in abraham for not haveing faith in god telling him that he and sarah would concieve a son. (also Ishmael is sometimes referenced as the ancestor to today's mostly muslim arab population, and you see how well that is working out in god's eyes.)

In the bible almost every character with the exception of Jesus Christ has a moment of sin or weakness of disobeying gods command, Just because someone considered holy by the bible has more than one wife dosen't mean that god approved of that particular behavior. On the contrary there is much biblical evidence that he does not approve of this kind of situation.

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#158 super_mario_128
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There is nothing at all wrong with polygamy.
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#159 hungry_pirate
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Because humans are jealous and it will create alot of conflicts. You wantpolygamybased families living in the same home? Expect to have rivalries and murders:P

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#160 wintermute0
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[QUOTE="wintermute0"]

Guys, are you telling me that there are equal number of polygamist families as there are normal families? Your arguments are flawed, because there are FAR more normal families with one to three children than there are polygamist families with 20 children. The ratio is completely off. It's ridiculous to blame polygamists for overpopulation; if you're going to attempt to, do some research first.

MattUD1

But most normal families have neutral or negative growth ( 2 or 1 child respectively). In your families case you have positive growth (+23) which is significantly more than a normal family structure. Plus, if you family raised you and your brothers to also take multiple wives and have multiple children with those wives, lets say you and your five brothers (6 in total) also have 23 children each we have 138 children. Those in a neutral growth situation would probably also have two children or have one child. It is also likely that they would have more than one child (usually 3 but it isn't unheard of to have a few more).

OMG THAT EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE POLYGAMISTS EVERYWHERE.

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#161 MattUD1
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="wintermute0"]

Guys, are you telling me that there are equal number of polygamist families as there are normal families? Your arguments are flawed, because there are FAR more normal families with one to three children than there are polygamist families with 20 children. The ratio is completely off. It's ridiculous to blame polygamists for overpopulation; if you're going to attempt to, do some research first.

wintermute0

But most normal families have neutral or negative growth ( 2 or 1 child respectively). In your families case you have positive growth (+23) which is significantly more than a normal family structure. Plus, if you family raised you and your brothers to also take multiple wives and have multiple children with those wives, lets say you and your five brothers (6 in total) also have 23 children each we have 138 children. Those in a neutral growth situation would probably also have two children or have one child. It is also likely that they would have more than one child (usually 3 but it isn't unheard of to have a few more).

OMG THAT EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE POLYGAMISTS EVERYWHERE.

I don't think you are listening to what I'm saying. I understand that polygamists are a very very small minority in America. All I'm saying is that while most non-polygamist families have a family size that either is neutral or negative in terms of population growth (this is assuming that there is no immigrating or emigrating) it isn't unheard of and that IF a large polygamist family continues to produce large polygamist families with multitudes of children it helps lead to a larger population which leads to increased pressure on any and all resources in the area from food to transportation systems.
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#162 wintermute0
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[QUOTE="wintermute0"]

[QUOTE="MattUD1"] But most normal families have neutral or negative growth ( 2 or 1 child respectively). In your families case you have positive growth (+23) which is significantly more than a normal family structure. Plus, if you family raised you and your brothers to also take multiple wives and have multiple children with those wives, lets say you and your five brothers (6 in total) also have 23 children each we have 138 children. Those in a neutral growth situation would probably also have two children or have one child. It is also likely that they would have more than one child (usually 3 but it isn't unheard of to have a few more). MattUD1

OMG THAT EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE POLYGAMISTS EVERYWHERE.

I don't think you are listening to what I'm saying. I understand that polygamists are a very very small minority in America. All I'm saying is that while most non-polygamist families have a family size that either is neutral or negative in terms of population growth (this is assuming that there is no immigrating or emigrating) it isn't unheard of and that IF a large polygamist family continues to produce large polygamist families with multitudes of children it helps lead to a larger population which leads to increased pressure on any and all resources in the area from food to transportation systems.

Which isn't the case, and has never been the case. Polygamy = Overpopulation has never been an issue, I'm pretty sure. Also, it's not like the women are forced to marry the man. They choose, and they usually choose a wealthy man, and wealth correlates with intelligence... so therefore, several women marrying that man and having kids with him boosts the intelligence of the population in that area, and as they branch out... more intelligent offspring. Polygamy is a positive thing, especially for the women. Women who marry a polygamist are usually going into a family of wealth and supportiveness.

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#163 Vandalvideo
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Polygamy is a positive thing, especially for the women. Women who marry a polygamist are usually going into a family of wealth and supportiveness.wintermute0
To satisfy my rampant curiosity could you please prove that at the very least a plurality of polygamists are of a wealthy/supportive nature and that these bonuses are not offset by rampant paternalism and patriarchal abuse?
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I'm one of twenty-three in my family, and my father has six wives, and they all live with us. When I turned 20, my father gave me my frist computer, and now I go to starbucks with it and get on the internet... eversince I've been browsing the web, I hear all sorts of slanderous negativity regarding polygamy. How, exactly, is polygamy a bad thing? I'm really looking forward to getting married several times and having several wives. Did you know that there are over 40 polygamists in the Bible? It was ok then, but why not now? Is it because of the satan-consumed media?

wintermute0
they had multiple wives in the bible so they could have a lot of kids and populate. Since we don't need to populate like we did back then, then we don't need multiple wives
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Because polyandry is unheard of (where women can have more than one husband) whereas polygyny is wide spread. So everyone saying polygamy isn't a one way street - it pretty much is.

Polygyny is unfair, and in my eyes degrading to women. It is the corner stone of societies where women are treated second best.

Polyandry is only around in societies where usually brothers will marry the same woman so their inherited land is not divided. Even when women are allowed one husband it is only in the interest of men.

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#166 tofu-lion91
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To quotes like this:
it isnt...if everyone is consenting have funweezyfb
The women don't really have any choice, they're brought up to expect marriage and that kind of relationship - pressured into it by their parents and the culture they live in. My mum's boyfriend has a dad and two mums (he's from Iran) and it's just part of that culture. His mum would have grown up to have this expected of her.
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#167 wintermute0
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To quotes like this: [QUOTE="weezyfb"]it isnt...if everyone is consenting have funtofu-lion91
The women don't really have any choice, they're brought up to expect marriage and that kind of relationship - pressured into it by their parents and the culture they live in. My mum's boyfriend has a dad and two mums (he's from Iran) and it's just part of that culture. His mum would have grown up to have this expected of her.

Reverse sexism is cool, isn't it? The men are brought up the same way; they are expected to have multiple wives. It's not like the men are forcing to do anything they don't want to.

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#168 Brainkiller05
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Me having 20 children with 20 women = completely legal. Me having 20 children with 20 women and we all legally agreeing to be married so i can support them financially = illegal. Makes no sense.
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#169 tofu-lion91
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Reverse sexism is cool, isn't it? The men are brought up the same way; they are expected to have multiple wives. It's not like the men are forcing to do anything they don't want to.wintermute0
You obviously didn't read what I said. In instances of polyandry (which occur far less than polygyny) it is in the interest of men, not the women. In instances of polygyny it is either benefiting the men or society "There is also some research that show that males living in polygynous marriages live longer; 12 percent longer on average." They claim those types of marriages provide support for women but ANY type of marriage does that so it is not justified. And if your last sentence is "It's not like the men are forcing [them] to do anything they don't want to." then not in a direct sense no. It's the men, their parents and their culture which is giving them no choice.
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#170 needled24-7
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i could not care less if someone wanted to have multiple wives. it won't affect me in any way, so why should it matter?