Why is Socialism/Communism bad?

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#1 lithuania_pride
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It is terrible!

But I want to know what people from other countries think.

I know its bad, but i want to know why other people understand it doesn't work, and why it will never be good for a country as a greater par.

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#2 Devouring_One
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The people who rule with communism are corrupt.

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#3 lithuania_pride
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!!!!! please read my topic first (= !!!!!!!!
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#4 hair001
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Because it dosn't reward the good and people aren't free. Thats a very short and simple explanation, but I'm sure someone else will be bothered giving you a more in depth explaination
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#5 Video_Game_King
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*coughs quite loudly* That's your answer, right there.
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#6 hair001
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It is terrible!

But I want to know what people from other countries thin.

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Where are you from?
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#7 lithuania_pride
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The people who rule with communism are corrupt.

Devouring_One

Was Lenin? No. But Stalin was.

Think a little harder.

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#8 Bulldog19892
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Because American schools teach you that it's bad. I don't believe in it, but it does have some merit. The problem is it requires a perfect society, the same way anarchy does. There's little incentive to work given the fact that the government provides for everything you need, so you'll get people who slack off, don't work, and are set for life.
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#9 lithuania_pride
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[QUOTE="lithuania_pride"]

It is terrible!

But I want to know what people from other countries thin.

hair001

Where are you from?

^ (;

Does it really matter to you?

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#10 Serial-No_3404
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because the smurfs did it effectively
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Because it doesn't follow human instinct....

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because the smurfs did it effectivelySerial-No_3404

But they're Smurfs. They're more efficient. Hell, their entire dictionary consists of one verb: smurf.

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#13 lithuania_pride
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If you guys will excuse me for a moment, im going to go check on my other topic.

Ill be back in just a little bit, thank you.

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#14 Guiltfeeder566
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Its a broken system from the start. The only way to have a pure Communism is through pure brutality. I don't think there are any real Communist countries left anymore.
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Because you aren't awarded because of your contribution, you are given a certain amount and are forced to give a certain amount.

It's just totally opposite from human's natural instincts.

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#16 imsomebody
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Because rich people don't get richer. Resulting in the poor having better living standards. What kind of selfless jerk would want that?
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#17 Bourbons3
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Because it doesn't work.
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#18 foxhound_fox
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They aren't. It is the people who instituted them that were.

And technically, there are still many socialist political groups around the world in many countries and none of them relating to the socialism of the cold war era.

Do some reading and you might learn something new.
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Because rich people don't get richer. Resulting in the poor having better living standards. What kind of selfless jerk would want that?imsomebody

Ask yourself, why don't rich people get richer....

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#20 MattUD1
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Because people tend to look at Cuba/the USSR/Peoples' Republic of China and think that that is communism.
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#21 Veemon_X
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Because you aren't awarded because of your contribution, you are given a certain amount and are forced to give a certain amount.

It's just totally opposite from human's natural instincts.

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That's it.

Well, that's more or less why it doesn't work.

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#22 borris_1
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Communism can work... in theory, but I can't think of example of it being successful yet. I don't like the idea myself, but I know why some people would.
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#23 imsomebody
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="imsomebody"]Because rich people don't get richer. Resulting in the poor having better living standards. What kind of selfless jerk would want that?imsomebody

Ask yourself, why don't rich people get richer....

Why don't rich people get richer?

Because all the money goes to the government, then gets spent on various things such as health care and military equipment. Very little of this money stays in anyones hands.

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#24 mig_killer2
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because every socialist country ever had a ****ty economy, and an oppressive government which infringed on the rights of the people
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#25 Darthmatt
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Because it always ends up concentrating all the power in the hands of a few people. The rest of the people are subjugated and controlled by the state. Kind of defeats the purpose of making everyone equal.
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[QUOTE="imsomebody"]

[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="imsomebody"]Because rich people don't get richer. Resulting in the poor having better living standards. What kind of selfless jerk would want that?imsomebody

Ask yourself, why don't rich people get richer....

Why don't rich people get richer?

Because all the money goes to the government, then gets spent on various things such as health care and military equipment. Very little of this money stays in anyones hands.

no...It's because there are no rich people. Everyone earns around the same amount....Can't you see how unfair this is?

Not to mention how limited your personal freedom is.

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Because people tend to look at Cuba/the USSR/Peoples' Republic of China and think that that is communism.MattUD1
You can always tell if a person has no clue what he's talking about. Ever been to Cuba?
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#28 kelinn
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Socialism, communism, capitalism, facism......... All of those are bad things.
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[QUOTE="imsomebody"]

[QUOTE="imsomebody"]

[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="imsomebody"]Because rich people don't get richer. Resulting in the poor having better living standards. What kind of selfless jerk would want that?jointed

Ask yourself, why don't rich people get richer....

Why don't rich people get richer?

Because all the money goes to the government, then gets spent on various things such as health care and military equipment. Very little of this money stays in anyones hands.

no...It's because there are no rich people. Everyone earns around the same amount....Can't you see how unfair this is?

Not to mention how limited your personal freedom is.

To be honest I don't actually like communism. However think it is the lesser of god knows how many evil economic systems. I personnally believe that we should simply abolish money all together and let the government run the entire economy alone.

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Because if i work hard, pay my way through college, and work my way up to a high paying job, i shouldnt have to then give my money to the bums who decided to screw off instead of doing anything with their lives...
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#31 imsomebody
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Socialism, communism, capitalism, facism......... All of those are bad things.kelinn

I could add at least 100 isms to that list.

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#32 hair001
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Socialism, communism, capitalism, facism......... All of those are bad things.kelinn
and why is capitalism bad?
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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="imsomebody"]

[QUOTE="imsomebody"]

[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="imsomebody"]Because rich people don't get richer. Resulting in the poor having better living standards. What kind of selfless jerk would want that?imsomebody

Ask yourself, why don't rich people get richer....

Why don't rich people get richer?

Because all the money goes to the government, then gets spent on various things such as health care and military equipment. Very little of this money stays in anyones hands.

no...It's because there are no rich people. Everyone earns around the same amount....Can't you see how unfair this is?

Not to mention how limited your personal freedom is.

To be honest I don't actually like communism. However think it is the lesser of god knows how many evil economic systems. I personnally believe that we should simply abolish money all together and let the government run the entire economy alone.

lols, totalatarinism?
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[QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="imsomebody"]

[QUOTE="imsomebody"]

[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="imsomebody"]Because rich people don't get richer. Resulting in the poor having better living standards. What kind of selfless jerk would want that?Def_Jef88

Ask yourself, why don't rich people get richer....

Why don't rich people get richer?

Because all the money goes to the government, then gets spent on various things such as health care and military equipment. Very little of this money stays in anyones hands.

no...It's because there are no rich people. Everyone earns around the same amount....Can't you see how unfair this is?

Not to mention how limited your personal freedom is.

To be honest I don't actually like communism. However think it is the lesser of god knows how many evil economic systems. I personnally believe that we should simply abolish money all together and let the government run the entire economy alone.

lols, totalatarinism?

The government doesn't have to work like that. I was simply refering to how the economy was run. The government could still be Democratic or any other system of government(that I know of).

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Communism, is in itself, inherently flawed. Any economic system where a Janitor and Doctor are compensated equally does not deserve to ride under the "equal" banner. I'm a proud believer that people should be compensated proportionally to their contributions to society, hence I believe people of higher standards i.e. Doctor, engineers, and scientists should make more than say Janitors.

Socialism, is a more medium to captialism and communism. Some standardized programs like transportation and healthcare, while still retaining a relatively free market.

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#36 Def_Jef88
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[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="imsomebody"]

[QUOTE="imsomebody"]

[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="imsomebody"]Because rich people don't get richer. Resulting in the poor having better living standards. What kind of selfless jerk would want that?imsomebody

Ask yourself, why don't rich people get richer....

Why don't rich people get richer?

Because all the money goes to the government, then gets spent on various things such as health care and military equipment. Very little of this money stays in anyones hands.

no...It's because there are no rich people. Everyone earns around the same amount....Can't you see how unfair this is?

Not to mention how limited your personal freedom is.

To be honest I don't actually like communism. However think it is the lesser of god knows how many evil economic systems. I personnally believe that we should simply abolish money all together and let the government run the entire economy alone.

lols, totalatarinism?

The government doesn't have to work like that. I was simply refering to how the economy was run. The government could still be Democratic or any other system of government(that I know of).

The last thing the government needs in MORE control. Ever heard of that country called the USSR? Didnt work too well for them...
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[QUOTE="kelinn"]Socialism, communism, capitalism, facism......... All of those are bad things.hair001
and why is capitalism bad?

It almost always results in the exploitation of the working class...

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[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="kelinn"]Socialism, communism, capitalism, facism......... All of those are bad things.jointed

and why is capitalism bad?

It almost always results in the exploitation of the working class...

there are always regulations set in place to try and avoid that.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="kelinn"]Socialism, communism, capitalism, facism......... All of those are bad things.Donkey_Puncher

and why is capitalism bad?

It almost always results in the exploitation of the working class...

there are always regulations set in place to try and avoid that.

Not in a pure capitalist society. You live in a Mixed Economy. Not Capitalism.
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="kelinn"]Socialism, communism, capitalism, facism......... All of those are bad things.Donkey_Puncher

and why is capitalism bad?

It almost always results in the exploitation of the working class...

there are always regulations set in place to try and avoid that.

Of course, that's why corporations move their factories to other countries and exploit their people instead....

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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="kelinn"]Socialism, communism, capitalism, facism......... All of those are bad things.Greedo_What

and why is capitalism bad?

It almost always results in the exploitation of the working class...

there are always regulations set in place to try and avoid that.

Not in a pure capitalist society. You live in a Mixed Economy. Not Capitalism.

I know that, but there is no real "Capitalistic" economy in the world. I was refering to practicality.

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Of course, that's why corporations move their factories to other countries and exploit their people instead....

jointed

outsourcing isn't purly to other countries. You can outsource to local companies and rid yourself of a division within that company, it's common practice. The only time you hear about it is when it goes out of the country.

Secondly, I would love to see these examples of "exploitation". Would you mind showing me plenty of companies that do it now, and pays their workers far less than the average wage in their local country.

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[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="kelinn"]Socialism, communism, capitalism, facism......... All of those are bad things.jointed

and why is capitalism bad?

It almost always results in the exploitation of the working class...

Well there's no direct explotation (i.e. force and lies) that is legal, but ill educated people could be exploited I suppose (e.g. if someone dosn't know how negotiate their wage) but thats more of an issue with eductation than capitalism. People need business skills as much as they need english skills.
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

Of course, that's why corporations move their factories to other countries and exploit their people instead....

Donkey_Puncher

outsourcing isn't purly to other countries. You can outsource to local companies and rid yourself of a division within that company, it's common practice. The only time you hear about it is when it goes out of the country.

Secondly, I would love to see these examples of "exploitation". Would you mind showing meplentyof companiesthat do it now, and pays their workers far less than the average wage in their local country.

Google Images -> Sweatshop.
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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Of course, that's why corporations move their factories to other countries and exploit their people instead....

Greedo_What

outsourcing isn't purly to other countries. You can outsource to local companies and rid yourself of a division within that company, it's common practice. The only time you hear about it is when it goes out of the country.

Secondly, I would love to see these examples of "exploitation". Would you mind showing meplentyof companiesthat do it now, and pays their workers far less than the average wage in their local country.

Google Images -> Sweatshop.

Sweatshops tend to pay close or above local wages in that area. Does that really count as explotation?

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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Of course, that's why corporations move their factories to other countries and exploit their people instead....

Greedo_What

outsourcing isn't purly to other countries. You can outsource to local companies and rid yourself of a division within that company, it's common practice. The only time you hear about it is when it goes out of the country.

Secondly, I would love to see these examples of "exploitation". Would you mind showing meplentyof companiesthat do it now, and pays their workers far less than the average wage in their local country.

Google Images -> Sweatshop.

They dont have to work there (though I'd rather my clothes were made by people treated better).
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[QUOTE="jointed"]

Of course, that's why corporations move their factories to other countries and exploit their people instead....

Donkey_Puncher

outsourcing isn't purly to other countries. You can outsource to local companies and rid yourself of a division within that company, it's common practice. The only time you hear about it is when it goes out of the country.

Secondly, I would love to see these examples of "exploitation". Would you mind showing meplentyof companiesthat do it now, and pays their workers far less than the average wage in their local country.

Are you serious?....

http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/tncs//2004/1006childlabor.htm

You can look it up on google yourself..

It's 12:03 AM here in the UK....I'm out.

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Are you serious?....

http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/tncs//2004/1006childlabor.htm

You can look it up on google yourself..

It's 12:03 AM here in the UK....I'm out.

jointed

I'm completely serious. I always here the same rhetoric. What you've shown is a travesty, but it has more to do with the country of origin exploiting THEIR own people by allowing children to work.

I'm trying to target adult specific "Explotation". You always here wage numbers thrown around like "wages as low as 10 dollars a week", with out putting it into perspective. You have to compare wage numbers between the countries. Obviously 10 dollars goes nowhere in a country like the US, however in many third world countries ten dollars a week is far more than local business' offer putting it higher than their average wage. Is that really exploitation then?

I'm only trying to look at it in a different perspective. Compare it to local wages and labor choices, not one's back home because it's not a fair analysis.

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[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="jointed"]

Of course, that's why corporations move their factories to other countries and exploit their people instead....

jointed

outsourcing isn't purly to other countries. You can outsource to local companies and rid yourself of a division within that company, it's common practice. The only time you hear about it is when it goes out of the country.

Secondly, I would love to see these examples of "exploitation". Would you mind showing meplentyof companiesthat do it now, and pays their workers far less than the average wage in their local country.

Are you serious?....

http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/tncs//2004/1006childlabor.htm

You can look it up on google yourself..

It's 12:03 AM here in the UK....I'm out.

Eh? My clock says 23:19 :?

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#50 Hewkii
Member since 2006 • 26339 Posts
Socialism isn't bad at all.