Why is Socialism/Communism bad?

A billion reasons.

• always turns into a dictatorship
• secret police
• you can't insult the government
• favors hand labor instead of knowledge
• creates aggression to fullfill the stupid Karl Marx prediction
• everyone is poor
• lacks competition because the money is distributed equally. (restraunts for example). So this means if you work at a restraunt, you'll get paid as much as everyone else so there's no reason in your head to try harder at your job. (bad food, bad service, etc.)

A billion reasons.

• always turns into a dictatorship
• secret police
• you can't insult the government
• favors hand labor instead of knowledge
• creates aggression to fullfill the stupid Karl Marx prediction
• everyone is poor
• lacks competition because the money is distributed equally. (restraunts for example). So this means if you work at a restraunt, you'll get paid as much as everyone else so there's no reason in your head to try harder at your job. (bad food, bad service, etc.)

camreeno360

It's also based on dated perceptions of society, so it was a crappy way of running a country from the start. Karl Marx went to England during the industrial revolution and saw that the workers were treated crappily while the wealthy business owners don't have to do any of that crap, so Marx saw that workers should be favored because they "do all the work", while they're controlled by people who don't physically work. Marx thought that the workers would eventually rule the world in a global revolution some day.

There's one HUGE problem: the life of the worker has improved greatly since then.

So Marx's just got a misconception from his stay in England and wrote the Communist Manifesto solely based on that. The whole idea was just for nationalism among all workers anyway...

[QUOTE="camreeno360"]

A billion reasons.

• always turns into a dictatorship
• secret police
• you can't insult the government
• favors hand labor instead of knowledge
• creates aggression to fullfill the stupid Karl Marx prediction
• everyone is poor
• lacks competition because the money is distributed equally. (restraunts for example). So this means if you work at a restraunt, you'll get paid as much as everyone else so there's no reason in your head to try harder at your job. (bad food, bad service, etc.)

Greedo_What

because it encourages lazyness. it doesn't matter how hard you work. you will make the same amout of money. so why work hard? this is why communist countries always have bad productivety rates.

it's very oppressive and gives the government way too much power. you say anything slightly against what they do and you're history. they'll take you and toss you in a cell.

the health care systems never are good either. it takes you like a week to go see a doctor even if all you have is a headache.

East Germany was really bad. they read your mail, had teachers tell their students to turn their parents in if they were talking about the government behind its back and tried to make them believe they were doing the right thing if they did, russian soldiers could pick on you because you or someone in your family was a former axis member and you couldn't do anything about it, and they kept changing the color of the money. for example if the current bank notes were green, and they change it to red, then all the green money you had saved up was useless and you couldn't exchange it. yeah it was really bad.

i was talking to my friend fron Ukraine recently. he said that when the USSR fell, they built a mcdonalds and there was a 3 hour line to get in. i guess when you've lived off rations your whole life anything is a warm welcome.

It is terrible!

But I want to know what people from other countries think.

I know its bad, but i want to know why other people understand it doesn't work, and why it will never be good for a country as a greater par.

lithuania_pride

Human nature.

for example if the current bank notes were green, and they change it to red, then all the green money you had saved up was useless and you couldn't exchange it. yeah it was really bad.

dissonantblack

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Because people tend to look at Cuba/the USSR/Peoples' Republic of China and think that that is communism.Greedo_What

[QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="imsomebody"]

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[QUOTE="imsomebody"]Because rich people don't get richer. Resulting in the poor having better living standards. What kind of selfless jerk would want that?Def_Jef88

Ask yourself, why don't rich people get richer....

Why don't rich people get richer?

Because all the money goes to the government, then gets spent on various things such as health care and military equipment. Very little of this money stays in anyones hands.

no...It's because there are no rich people. Everyone earns around the same amount....Can't you see how unfair this is?

Not to mention how limited your personal freedom is.

To be honest I don't actually like communism. However think it is the lesser of god knows how many evil economic systems. I personnally believe that we should simply abolish money all together and let the government run the entire economy alone.

The government doesn't have to work like that. I was simply refering to how the economy was run. The government could still be Democratic or any other system of government(that I know of).

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="imsomebody"]

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[QUOTE="imsomebody"]Because rich people don't get richer. Resulting in the poor having better living standards. What kind of selfless jerk would want that?imsomebody

Ask yourself, why don't rich people get richer....

Why don't rich people get richer?

Because all the money goes to the government, then gets spent on various things such as health care and military equipment. Very little of this money stays in anyones hands.

no...It's because there are no rich people. Everyone earns around the same amount....Can't you see how unfair this is?

Not to mention how limited your personal freedom is.

To be honest I don't actually like communism. However think it is the lesser of god knows how many evil economic systems. I personnally believe that we should simply abolish money all together and let the government run the entire economy alone.

The government doesn't have to work like that. I was simply refering to how the economy was run. The government could still be Democratic or any other system of government(that I know of).

[QUOTE="Greedo_What"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]Because people tend to look at Cuba/the USSR/Peoples' Republic of China and think that that is communism.MattUD1

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Greedo_What"][QUOTE="MattUD1"]Because people tend to look at Cuba/the USSR/Peoples' Republic of China and think that that is communism.Greedo_What

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

dbowman

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

dbowman

[QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

Def_Jef88

Only because of the way society brings people up. Especially in America it seems people are taught that Communism is the work of the Devil.

Maybe one day we could actually better ourselves instead of being so God damn greedy all the time.

S In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

dbowman

There's one HUGE problem: the life of the worker has improved greatly since then.

So Marx's just got a misconception from his stay in England and wrote the Communist Manifesto solely based on that. 

camreeno360

[QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

Def_Jef88

They native americans did, so it's possible for it to happen again.

[QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

hair001

Think of a scale (balance). In communism, it aims to keep the two sides equal. But in capitalism, for one side to go higher (get richer), the other side has to go down (get poorer). Look at third world countries. The US exploits the workers for cheaper labor, so the prices can come down, and they can get more business.

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

dbowman

Only because of the way society brings people up. Especially in America it seems people are taught that Communism is the work of the Devil.

Maybe one day we could actually better ourselves instead of being so God damn greedy all the time.

[QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

hair001

Of course Capitalism encourages exploitation...

How do you think you buy things so cheaply? Why do you think clothes are mass produced in Chinese sweat shops.?

The corporations employ people in foreign countries to make their goods. But they can get away with paying there employees very little in wages. This gives them the biggest ammount of profit possible.

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

imsomebody

They native americans did, so it's possible for it to happen again.

[QUOTE="dbowman"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

Def_Jef88

Only because of the way society brings people up. Especially in America it seems people are taught that Communism is the work of the Devil.

Maybe one day we could actually better ourselves instead of being so God damn greedy all the time.

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

GettingTired

Think of a scale (balance). In communism, it aims to keep the two sides equal. But in capitalism, for one side to go higher (get richer), the other side has to go down (get poorer). Look at third world countries. The US exploits the workers for cheaper labor, so the prices can come down, and they can get more business.

[QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

Def_Jef88

They native americans did, so it's possible for it to happen again.

Cannibalism?

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

imsomebody

Only because of the way society brings people up. Especially in America it seems people are taught that Communism is the work of the Devil.

Maybe one day we could actually better ourselves instead of being so God damn greedy all the time.

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

imsomebody

Only because of the way society brings people up. Especially in America it seems people are taught that Communism is the work of the Devil.

Maybe one day we could actually better ourselves instead of being so God damn greedy all the time.

[QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

hair001

Think of a scale (balance). In communism, it aims to keep the two sides equal. But in capitalism, for one side to go higher (get richer), the other side has to go down (get poorer). Look at third world countries. The US exploits the workers for cheaper labor, so the prices can come down, and they can get more business.

Whoever buys your apples gets poorer:roll:

[QUOTE="dbowman"]

S In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

hair001

As the World is people are restricted in movement and trade by borders between different countries.

What Marx was trying to say is that we should do away with this. We shouldn't think about being from different nations because we are all "citizens of the world".

If we can all think as one nation and co-operate for once, then in theory international communism could work.

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

imsomebody

Think of a scale (balance). In communism, it aims to keep the two sides equal. But in capitalism, for one side to go higher (get richer), the other side has to go down (get poorer). Look at third world countries. The US exploits the workers for cheaper labor, so the prices can come down, and they can get more business.

Whoever buys your apples gets poorer:roll:

[QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

Def_Jef88

They native americans did, so it's possible for it to happen again.

Yeah, and whose fault this that.....

[QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

hair001

Only because of the way society brings people up. Especially in America it seems people are taught that Communism is the work of the Devil.

Maybe one day we could actually better ourselves instead of being so God damn greedy all the time.

Can I have the next winning lottery numbers please?

Thats what i refering to. Aparently he/she can tell the future.

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

S In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

dbowman

As the World is people are restricted in movement and trade by borders between different countries.

What Marx was trying to say is that we should do away with this. We shouldn't think about being from different nations because we are all "citizens of the world".

If we can all think as one nation and co-operate for once, then in theory international communism could work.

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

imsomebody

Only because of the way society brings people up. Especially in America it seems people are taught that Communism is the work of the Devil.

Maybe one day we could actually better ourselves instead of being so God damn greedy all the time.

Can I have the next winning lottery numbers please?

Thats what i refering to. Aparently he/she can tell the future.

[QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

hair001

Think of a scale (balance). In communism, it aims to keep the two sides equal. But in capitalism, for one side to go higher (get richer), the other side has to go down (get poorer). Look at third world countries. The US exploits the workers for cheaper labor, so the prices can come down, and they can get more business.

Whoever buys your apples gets poorer:roll:

Yes, but once they eat the apple they will be poorer. Then once they are hungry again they will have to buy more of your apples.

[QUOTE="dbowman"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

S In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

hair001

As the World is people are restricted in movement and trade by borders between different countries.

What Marx was trying to say is that we should do away with this. We shouldn't think about being from different nations because we are all "citizens of the world".

If we can all think as one nation and co-operate for once, then in theory international communism could work.

Because not all nations have the resources required to survive by themselves. Take a look at the USSR, they tried to make Communism work in one country and look at the mess that turned out to be.

Take a nation like Japan. It has virtually no natural resources of its own. If they tried to do Communism by themselves they would be pretty screwed.

I'm originally from the CZ and I can tell you that communism didn't do us any good at all. It only held us back.Nifty_Shark

But you didn't have real communism. You just had the Soviet style of Communism.

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

imsomebody

Think of a scale (balance). In communism, it aims to keep the two sides equal. But in capitalism, for one side to go higher (get richer), the other side has to go down (get poorer). Look at third world countries. The US exploits the workers for cheaper labor, so the prices can come down, and they can get more business.

Whoever buys your apples gets poorer:roll:

Yes, but once they eat the apple they will be poorer. Then once they are hungry again they will have to buy more of your apples.

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

S In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

dbowman

As the World is people are restricted in movement and trade by borders between different countries.

What Marx was trying to say is that we should do away with this. We shouldn't think about being from different nations because we are all "citizens of the world".

If we can all think as one nation and co-operate for once, then in theory international communism could work.

Because not all nations have the resources required to survive by themselves. Take a look at the USSR, they tried to make Communism work in one country and look at the mess that turned out to be.

Take a nation like Japan. It has virtually no natural resources of its own. If they tried to do Communism by themselves they would be pretty screwed.

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

imsomebody

Only because of the way society brings people up. Especially in America it seems people are taught that Communism is the work of the Devil.

Maybe one day we could actually better ourselves instead of being so God damn greedy all the time.

Can I have the next winning lottery numbers please?

Thats what i refering to. Aparently he/she can tell the future.

[QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

hair001

Think of a scale (balance). In communism, it aims to keep the two sides equal. But in capitalism, for one side to go higher (get richer), the other side has to go down (get poorer). Look at third world countries. The US exploits the workers for cheaper labor, so the prices can come down, and they can get more business.

Whoever buys your apples gets poorer:roll:

Yes, but once they eat the apple they will be poorer. Then once they are hungry again they will have to buy more of your apples.

They are getting poorer because they HAVE TO PAY for your apples. If they DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY they would be richer.

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

imsomebody

Think of a scale (balance). In communism, it aims to keep the two sides equal. But in capitalism, for one side to go higher (get richer), the other side has to go down (get poorer). Look at third world countries. The US exploits the workers for cheaper labor, so the prices can come down, and they can get more business.

Whoever buys your apples gets poorer:roll:

Yes, but once they eat the apple they will be poorer. Then once they are hungry again they will have to buy more of your apples.

They are getting poorer because they HAVE TO PAY for your apples. If they DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY they would be richer.

[QUOTE="dbowman"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

S In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

hair001

As the World is people are restricted in movement and trade by borders between different countries.

What Marx was trying to say is that we should do away with this. We shouldn't think about being from different nations because we are all "citizens of the world".

If we can all think as one nation and co-operate for once, then in theory international communism could work.

Because not all nations have the resources required to survive by themselves. Take a look at the USSR, they tried to make Communism work in one country and look at the mess that turned out to be.

Take a nation like Japan. It has virtually no natural resources of its own. If they tried to do Communism by themselves they would be pretty screwed.

If communism was international we could just trade things as and when people needed them.

However, if you still have the restrictions of individual countries trade is made more complicated. If Japan is trading with Ecuador, sure Ecuador can give Japan loads of bananas but then Japan has no natural resources to give back the Ecuador.

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="imsomebody"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

imsomebody

Think of a scale (balance). In communism, it aims to keep the two sides equal. But in capitalism, for one side to go higher (get richer), the other side has to go down (get poorer). Look at third world countries. The US exploits the workers for cheaper labor, so the prices can come down, and they can get more business.

Whoever buys your apples gets poorer:roll:

Yes, but once they eat the apple they will be poorer. Then once they are hungry again they will have to buy more of your apples.

They are getting poorer because they HAVE TO PAY for your apples. If they DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY they would be richer.

BRILLIANT, just brilliant....

[QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="GettingTired"][QUOTE="hair001"][QUOTE="dbowman"]

Socialism/Communism is a GOOD think (Yes, you read that right).

I'm guessing the majority of people here are American, right? You seem to have an irrational hate or fear of Communism. In part this is down to the cold war but mostly because of the type of society you live in.

America is capitalist, and capitalism enourages individualism, greed and exploitaion. In fact, by definition in order for Capitalism to work, people HAVE to be exploited. Without exploitation there would be no profit.

Capitalists are like leeches feeding off the poor and needy, just so they can fill there pockets with cash. So if anything Capitalists are far worth than Communists.

Socialism encourages people to co-operate and work together as a team to achieve a common goal. In a TRUE Communist society there would be no need for a government because people would be able to work together and govern themselves. So places like the USSR or China aren't really communist. In fact Karl Marx said that Communism must be International in order to function correctly. So by his definition the world has never seen true Communism.

imsomebody

Think of a scale (balance). In communism, it aims to keep the two sides equal. But in capitalism, for one side to go higher (get richer), the other side has to go down (get poorer). Look at third world countries. The US exploits the workers for cheaper labor, so the prices can come down, and they can get more business.

Whoever buys your apples gets poorer:roll:

Yes, but see, if I grow an apple tree and you grow a peach tree, we can trade and have two different kinds of fruits.