Why is there so much violence in the U.S.?

The UK is more violent from what i've heard from people who came back from there. soulsofblayck

Tony Blair recently came under fire for saying black people were responsible for alot of the UK violence.

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[QUOTE="LukeAF24"]Horrible parenting.Choga

It's more than that. There are just sick people out there. I don't know why everything like this seems limited to America. Crazy stuff happens everywhere. Violence is glorified globally. It's not something that's just here is the US. I'm not saying that we don't have problems, because obviously we do, but they're not limited to America. These problems are global.

That makes no sense. You are saying that by watching violent movies, or by listening to death metal, or by playing GTA, we will be more inclined to go out and be more violent?  

Please don't tell me you didn't know this.  You think kids with violent upbringings tend to be more violent because ......?

There is plenty of violence in other countries you just never hear about it.leegar88

And most of it nowhere near as bad as what you get in the US, I personally think its because of the terrible gun laws and stupid "right to bear arms" constitution law, dumbest law I have ever heard.

The UK is more violent from what i've heard from people who came back from there. soulsofblayck

Our violence rate is very low, nowhere near as bad as the US, and I dont know anyone with a gun, coincidence? 

Bad parenting? Easy access to weaponry due to lax laws and enforcement? A culture built on violence and xenophobia? Nah...probably none of those.HupHupOranje

Do you know the definition of xenophobia? Imigrants are welcomed if they go through the due process to become legal. Do you support completely open borders? I think that's ridiculous and dangerous. Of course bad parenting is the main culprit. Parents are who shape the children in the forming stages of their lives. If a child has no care and holds no value for the lives of others, that's where the main problem is. You're trying to turn this into a political issue. It's obvious. It goes deeper than a political issue. I'm glad I have the right to be a responsible, legal gun owner. If someone is forcing their way into my home, if they make it through in that 10 minute or so window that the police take to arrive, the intruder will most likely end up in the hospital or a graveyard, which is the way it should be.

[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]The UK is more violent from what i've heard from people who came back from there. V4LENT1NE

Our violence rate is very low, nowhere near as bad as the US, and I dont know anyone with a gun, coincidence? 

So the emerging problem that the UK has with inner city violence is a rumor? Your police don't even carry firearms. I can't think of that as a good policy.

Gun homicides in the US are higher than any other country.HupHupOranje

So find me the statistics saying the weapons used are all legally obtained. Take away guns from responsible, registered gun owners and guess what you'll have left.

Do you know the definition of xenophobia? Imigrants are welcomed if they go through the due process to become legal. Do you support completely open borders? I think that's ridiculous and dangerous. Of course bad parenting is the main culprit. Parents are who shape the children in the forming stages of their lives. If a child has no care and holds no value for the lives of others, that's where the main problem is. You're trying to turn this into a political issue. It's obvious. It goes deeper than a political issue. I'm glad I have the right to be a responsible, legal gun owner. If someone is forcing their way into my home, if they make it through in that 10 minute or so window that the police take to arrive, the intruder will most likely end up in the hospital or a graveyard, which is the way it should be.

Trashface

Yes I know the definition of xenophobia. It is the fear and contempt of foreigners. The United States is almost as bad as Russia. I fail to see how this isn't a political issue. Gun control is political. Bad parenting and violence in the media is a cultural issue. Responsible gun ownership is fine by me, but statisically Americans are not very good at that. I don't believe in a ban on gun ownership, but there should be a very stringent process to acquire one. 40% of American households have a gun in them - it becomes a law of averages. That many bullets and triggers will eventually add up to corpses.

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Do you know the definition of xenophobia? Imigrants are welcomed if they go through the due process to become legal. Do you support completely open borders? I think that's ridiculous and dangerous. Of course bad parenting is the main culprit. Parents are who shape the children in the forming stages of their lives. If a child has no care and holds no value for the lives of others, that's where the main problem is. You're trying to turn this into a political issue. It's obvious. It goes deeper than a political issue. I'm glad I have the right to be a responsible, legal gun owner. If someone is forcing their way into my home, if they make it through in that 10 minute or so window that the police take to arrive, the intruder will most likely end up in the hospital or a graveyard, which is the way it should be.

HupHupOranje

Yes I know the definition of xenophobia. It is the fear and contempt of foreigners. The United States is almost as bad as Russia. I fail to see how this isn't a political issue. Gun control is political. Bad parenting and violence in the media is a cultural issue. Responsible gun ownership is fine by me, but statisically Americans are not very good at that. I don't believe in a ban on gun ownership, but there should be a very stringent process to acquire one. 40% of American households have a gun in them - it becomes a law of averages. That many bullets and triggers will eventually add up to corpses.

People holding the lives of others at no value is a cultural issue. that's the root of this problem. The same people can easily jack a truck and run down pedestrians or stab someone with a pencil. Should we ban those? This is the definition of Xenophobia: an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange. Wanting immigrants to be documented does not fit into that definition. Not wanting open borders does not fit into that definition. If immigrants want to live in this country permenantly, they shouldbe required to jump through all the hoops needed. If they won't go through the processes (if reasonable), then I guess the lack of action would reflect their level of want. This is not Xenophobia. Open borders would be extremely dangerous. This is not an unreasonable fear.

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[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]The UK is more violent from what i've heard from people who came back from there. Trashface

Our violence rate is very low, nowhere near as bad as the US, and I dont know anyone with a gun, coincidence?

So the emerging problem that the UK has with inner city violence is a rumor? Your police don't even carry firearms. I can't think of that as a good policy.

It has violence like any other country around the world, but we dont have people walking around with guns killing students every once in a while. And yes some of our police do carry firearms, but guess what, there is barely any need to fire them, because barely anyone has guns.

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[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]The UK is more violent from what i've heard from people who came back from there. V4LENT1NE

Our violence rate is very low, nowhere near as bad as the US, and I dont know anyone with a gun, coincidence?

So the emerging problem that the UK has with inner city violence is a rumor? Your police don't even carry firearms. I can't think of that as a good policy.

It has violence like any other country around the world, but we dont have people walking around with guns killing students every once in a while. And yes some of our police do carry firearms, but guess what, there is barely any need to fire them, because barely anyone has guns.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/202661

 Violence is escalating in the UK. Guns are illegal, yet gangs are using them to execute crime. This shows that gun laws are not the answer. Also note the last sentence "And when the guy around the corner has guns by the tonne, what do you think is going to happen?" Guns are illegal in this country. The problem are the illegal ones bought on the street corner. This is not a gun law issue, it's cultural.

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[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]The UK is more violent from what i've heard from people who came back from there. Trashface

Our violence rate is very low, nowhere near as bad as the US, and I dont know anyone with a gun, coincidence?

So the emerging problem that the UK has with inner city violence is a rumor? Your police don't even carry firearms. I can't think of that as a good policy.

It has violence like any other country around the world, but we dont have people walking around with guns killing students every once in a while. And yes some of our police do carry firearms, but guess what, there is barely any need to fire them, because barely anyone has guns.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/202661

Violence is escalating in the UK. Guns are illegal, yet gangs are using them to execute crime. This shows that gun laws are not the answer. Also note the last sentence "And when the guy around the corner has guns by the tonne, what do you think is going to happen?" Guns are illegal in this country. The problem are the illegal ones bought on the street corner. This is not a gun law issue, it's cultural.

What are you trying to prove, of course there is still gun crime in the UK, there is bound to be despite gun laws, they are called criminals for a reason you know. It still stands though, there are tighter gun laws in the UK, and we have much less gun crime than the US, thats all I am saying. 

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[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]The UK is more violent from what i've heard from people who came back from there. V4LENT1NE

Our violence rate is very low, nowhere near as bad as the US, and I dont know anyone with a gun, coincidence?

So the emerging problem that the UK has with inner city violence is a rumor? Your police don't even carry firearms. I can't think of that as a good policy.

It has violence like any other country around the world, but we dont have people walking around with guns killing students every once in a while. And yes some of our police do carry firearms, but guess what, there is barely any need to fire them, because barely anyone has guns.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/202661

Violence is escalating in the UK. Guns are illegal, yet gangs are using them to execute crime. This shows that gun laws are not the answer. Also note the last sentence "And when the guy around the corner has guns by the tonne, what do you think is going to happen?" Guns are illegal in this country. The problem are the illegal ones bought on the street corner. This is not a gun law issue, it's cultural.

What are you trying to prove, of course there is still gun crime in the UK, there is bound to be despite gun laws, they are called criminals for a reason you know. It still stands though, there are tighter gun laws in the UK, and we have much less gun crime than the US, thats all I am saying. 

The point is that it's not a gun control issue. It's a cultural issue. While the UK may have been and is currently less violent, this cultural issue is spreading. The best course of action from a political stand-point is to crack down harder on the illegal arms trade. You can't take away guns from responsible people who use them for protection while criminals remain armed with illegal weapons. I can understand maybe requiring mental evluations when registering for a firearm, but they should not be banned altogether.

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[QUOTE="soulsofblayck"]The UK is more violent from what i've heard from people who came back from there. Trashface

Our violence rate is very low, nowhere near as bad as the US, and I dont know anyone with a gun, coincidence?

So the emerging problem that the UK has with inner city violence is a rumor? Your police don't even carry firearms. I can't think of that as a good policy.

It has violence like any other country around the world, but we dont have people walking around with guns killing students every once in a while. And yes some of our police do carry firearms, but guess what, there is barely any need to fire them, because barely anyone has guns.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/202661

Violence is escalating in the UK. Guns are illegal, yet gangs are using them to execute crime. This shows that gun laws are not the answer. Also note the last sentence "And when the guy around the corner has guns by the tonne, what do you think is going to happen?" Guns are illegal in this country. The problem are the illegal ones bought on the street corner. This is not a gun law issue, it's cultural.

What are you trying to prove, of course there is still gun crime in the UK, there is bound to be despite gun laws, they are called criminals for a reason you know. It still stands though, there are tighter gun laws in the UK, and we have much less gun crime than the US, thats all I am saying.

The point is that it's not a gun control issue. It's a cultural issue. While the UK may have been and is currently less violent, this cultural issue is spreading. The best course of action from a political stand-point is to crack down harder on the illegal arms trade. You can't take away guns from responsible people who use them for protection while criminals remain armed with illegal weapons. I can understand maybe requiring mental evluations when registering for a firearm, but they should not be banned altogether.

That is a very good point that I do agree with. 

There's violence everywhere...squidder_doa

The point is that it's not a gun control issue. It's a cultural issue.

Trashface

It's both....

This is so typical for americans.....Instead of actually trying to fix the problem with violence , they come up with stupid excuses or say that "other countries" have atleast as much violence as America so therefore they don't need to do anything...jointed

That's a generalization....but, of course.

Violence is inherent in mankind's nature.  The US has many complex socioeconomic reasons why it occurs.  Our media certainly doesn't help, by focusing all the major stories on violence.  Violence is also inherent in our forms of entertainment such as movies, TV, games, etc. which can lead to some desensitization.  The erosion of the family system and values in this country - as well as the world - also leads to an increased tendency for violence.

Granted, I don't think it's quite bad as it is portrayed.  The press seems to take delight in excessive coverage of every untoward or violent event in this country - skewing our and the world's perspective of what really occurs here.

The answer is always more consciousness. America is starved spiritually and they need to look in the mirror and stop distracting themselves with BS like American Idol and all the other nonsense they waste their time on. Get the corrupt politicans out of office and start doing some good for the benefit of the people, not multi-million dollar corporations.X360PS3AMD05

That doesn't correlate.

Violence is inherent in mankind's nature.  The US has many complex socioeconomic reasons why it occurs.  Our media certainly doesn't help, by focusing all the major stories on violence.  Violence is also inherent in our forms of entertainment such as movies, TV, games, etc. which can lead to some desensitization.  The erosion of the family system and values in this country - as well as the world - also leads to an increased tendency for violence.

Granted, I don't think it's quite bad as it is portrayed.  The press seems to take delight in excessive coverage of every untoward or violent event in this country - skewing our and the world's perspective of what really occurs here.

sonicare

That's a very good post....and I agree.

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]A famous saying will answer this question. You cannot have both freedom and security. To think that you can have both means that you deserve neither. As the amount of freedom increases, the amount of security decreases, and vice versa. People are free to obtain guns, whether by borrowing them or by stealing them or by making them at home. Hell, people can build all sorts of things, including chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons from ordinary things around the house.jackelhunter

where did you find plutonium in your house? no you cannot just build those kind of weapons. you have to have some serious training on how to build them and know how to handle those materials. the most you can make is possibly an ied. as for the res of what you said it makes sense.

Chemical- One can make Chlorine gas, Chloramine, and Hydrazine, which are carcinogenic and possibly fatal if inhaled by combining two everyday household cleaning agents. I will not say which ones, for safety reasons.

Biological- Any illness, in its own right, can be considered a biological weapon. As defined, a biological weapon is the use of any pathogen as a weapon of war. It doesn't need to be anthrax or botulism, it could be simply a particularly hardy strain of pneumonia or the flu that can be used as a weapon. While the latter two may pale in comparison to the effectiveness of the former two, they can still be used.

Nuclear- See my prior post to Blooddemon. All one needs is radioactive material and an explosion (IE. a Firecracker, a Cherrybomb, etc.) and one has, theoretically, a nuclear weapon on their hands.

Now, I never said that they aren't extremely dangerous and should be left to the experts, but one can easily create all three major types of WMD's from stuff that one would normally find in any household. I strongly urge people NOT, I repeat NOT try this stuff anywhere and leave it to the experts, however, as, if handled improperly, these substances can and will kill you.

This is so typical for americans.....Instead of actually trying to fix the problem with violence , they come up with stupid excuses or say that "other countries" have atleast as much violence as America so therefore they don't need to do anything...jointed

[QUOTE="jointed"]This is so typical for americans.....Instead of actually trying to fix the problem with violence , they come up with stupid excuses or say that "other countries" have atleast as much violence as America so therefore they don't need to do anything...LJS9502_basic

That's a generalization....but, of course.

Everything seems to be generalizations now-a-days.....:roll:

This is so typical for americans.....Instead of actually trying to fix the problem with violence , they come up with stupid excuses or say that "other countries" have atleast as much violence as America so therefore they don't need to do anything...jointed

Don't confuse the ramblings of 12 year olds on the gamespot boards to what is typical for "americans".  Most of the people on the news and being interviewed by the press have not been of that viewpoint.  People simply have been calling this an immense tragedy and there are starting to be calls for gun control and improved school/campus safety.  I have yet to see any public official, and interviewed student, or police official make excuses for the violence or state that "they don't  need to do anything".

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[QUOTE="jointed"]This is so typical for americans.....Instead of actually trying to fix the problem with violence , they come up with stupid excuses or say that "other countries" have atleast as much violence as America so therefore they don't need to do anything...jointed

That's a generalization....but, of course.

Everything seems to be generalizations now-a-days.....:roll:

It's a generalization because you made it so.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]This is so typical for americans.....Instead of actually trying to fix the problem with violence , they come up with stupid excuses or say that "other countries" have atleast as much violence as America so therefore they don't need to do anything...LJS9502_basic

That's a generalization....but, of course.

Everything seems to be generalizations now-a-days.....:roll:

It's a generalization because you made it so.

What's your point? Do you want to debate the gun law issue or what?  I were just pointing out how most pro guns americans seem to think....

What's your point? Do you want to debate the gun law issue or what?  I were just pointing out how most pro guns americans seem to think....

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My point was that you made an erroneous generalization.:| You weren't debating gun laws. :roll: Next time limit your statement to the group to which you are referring...and not blanket an entire nation of people.  Gun laws are debated here and will be again with this latest incident.  Not everyone agrees on the status quo.  As for debating it....either side can be successfully defended so it's pointless.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]This is so typical for americans.....Instead of actually trying to fix the problem with violence , they come up with stupid excuses or say that "other countries" have atleast as much violence as America so therefore they don't need to do anything...jointed

That's a generalization....but, of course.

Everything seems to be generalizations now-a-days.....:roll:

It's a generalization because you made it so.

What's your point? Do you want to debate the gun law issue or what?  I were just pointing out how most pro guns americans seem to think....

No.  You were pointing out how you think they reason and have made some erroneous assumptions.  The main argument for gun ownership and the right to bare arms has nothing to do with the points you listed.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]This is so typical for americans.....Instead of actually trying to fix the problem with violence , they come up with stupid excuses or say that "other countries" have atleast as much violence as America so therefore they don't need to do anything...jointed

That's a generalization....but, of course.

Everything seems to be generalizations now-a-days.....:roll:

It's a generalization because you made it so.

What's your point? Do you want to debate the gun law issue or what?  I were just pointing out how most pro guns americans seem to think....

What are you talking about? I have gun enthusests freinds and they don't think that way. Besides the shooter wasen't even american, he was Korean.

any moron can buy a weapon. thats freedom right theirSonnyF

[QUOTE="SonnyF"]any moron can buy a weapon. thats freedom right theirblooddemon666

agreed 

We're addicted to drama........ur a hero if u die in a gunfightNapsterX

He's no hero.....nor is any other killer.

What are you talking about? I have gun enthusests freinds and they don't think that way. Besides the shooter wasen't even american, he was Korean.

Guiltfeeder566

Yeah but did he just come to the US to study or was he raised in the US? 

Dude, the US is nothing compared to many 3rd world countries. Go visit Africa, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Russia. Just because spontaneous killings like the VT killings happen doesnt mean the US is so violent. Violence is everywhere and the US is one of the ones at the bottom of the list for outrageous violence.daniel52587

voilent for a civilized, 1st world country, yes.

[QUOTE="HupHupOranje"]Gun homicides in the US are higher than any other country.Trashface

So find me the statistics saying the weapons used are all legally obtained. Take away guns from responsible, registered gun owners and guess what you'll have left.

Most weapons are obtained in the black market. I'm not sure if a new gun law will be able to restrict the circulation of guns in the black market. That should be the main target for the US government.