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#51 Palantas
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"Religious folks" are the only ones pretending to have a legitimate reasons for opposing it. In the future, when people are more educated, perhaps religion wont have such a lock-down on people's reasoning skills, and there'd be less bigotry as a result. the TC asked "Why isn't prostitution legal", and i answered it.Nibroc420

For someone who b!tches about other people lacking education and critical reasoning skills, maybe you should check your own. Some feminists oppose legal prostitution. This is so effortless to find online that I don't even see a need to post a source. Get your reasoning skills off lock-down and go to Google or Wikipedia.

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#52 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]"Religious folks" are the only ones pretending to have a legitimate reasons for opposing it. In the future, when people are more educated, perhaps religion wont have such a lock-down on people's reasoning skills, and there'd be less bigotry as a result. the TC asked "Why isn't prostitution legal", and i answered it.Palantas

For someone who b!tches about other people lacking education and critical reasoning skills, maybe you should check your own. Some feminists oppose legal prostitution. This is so effortless to find online that I don't even see a need to post a source. Get your reasoning skills off lock-down and go to Google or Wikipedia.

:roll: "Some feminists", yeah I'm sure some do, perhaps some farm workers do as well. However, a small group of people are not going to have the same impact as a large, organized religion that constantly asks for money.
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#53 ps3theJT
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Don't know but that hasn't stop me from hiring hookers.:cool:

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#54 Palantas
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"Some feminists", yeah I'm sure some do...Nibroc420

Yes, they do. So you're admitting you were just flat-out wrong right here:

"Religious folks" are the only ones pretending to have a legitimate reasons for opposing it.Nibroc420

It's good to criticize other peoples' facts and logic while talking out your ass. This may come as a surprise to you, but women's groups have had an influence on legistlation in the past.

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#55 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]"Some feminists", yeah I'm sure some do...Palantas

Yes, they do. So you're admitting you were just flat-out wrong right here:

"Religious folks" are the only ones pretending to have a legitimate reasons for opposing it.Nibroc420

It's good to criticize other peoples' facts and logic while talking out your ass. This may come as a surprise to you, but women's groups have had an influence on legistlation in the past.

/facepalm No-one has a legitimate reason to oppose prostitution. Religious people are the only ones who pretend to have a legitimate reason.
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#56 Palantas
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/facepalm No-one has a legitimate reason to oppose prostitution. Religious people are the only ones who pretend to have a legitimate reason.Nibroc420

If there is no legitimate reason to oppose prostitution, then anyone opposing it is doing so for fallacious, that is "pretend" reasons. Your statement is still false. Are you admitting that or not? I'm not clear.

I thought of making a joke about your logic and reasoning skills at this point, but it seemed unnecessary.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="playmynutz"]get into the porn business for paid sex? Of course i want a clean world but since we are far off already, hey legalize it and get those women tested :/

1.) Prostitution is the world's oldest profession. 2.) It's legal in many countries, The USA's problem is large fundamentalist religious groups.

1.) Prove it. 2) No. It's illegal in the most atheist country of the world whereas it is legal in many places of America. Stupid ignorant atheists.
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#58 ZumaJones07
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because it is degrading to women and would make our country look like sht.
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#59 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]/facepalm No-one has a legitimate reason to oppose prostitution. Religious people are the only ones who pretend to have a legitimate reason.Palantas

If there is no legitimate reason to oppose prostitution, then anyone opposing it is doing so for fallacious, that is "pretend" reasons. Your statement is still false. Are you admitting that or not? I'm not clear.

I thought of making a joke about your logic and reasoning skills at this point, but it seemed unnecessary.

Are you trolling again? One group says "I dont like prostitution", but has no reason to dislike it, and opposes it. Another group says "Prostitution is the devil's work, Those who commit such sin will burn in hell!" The first group doesn't even try to come up with a reason why it's bad, while the second presents this grand claim based on nothing. Religion seems to be the group trying the hardest when coming up with reasons to oppose prostitution, they have the most members, and the most money. Yet you continue to assert that little old housewives have banded together in an attempt to jail hookers, and are more successful than any other group. Seriously?
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#60 chessmaster1989
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Yes, it should be legal.
[QUOTE="brucecambell"]It would be great for the economy, it would create revenue & jobsLJS9502_basic
Career you're interested in? Not the kind of job that does much for the individual. How about getting the jobs back that the US let slip away? Jobs with potential. Stop picking some crap job and saying it would be good for the economy. More fast food restaurants would create jobs....not good jobs....and they certainly wouldn't be good for society....but hey....that's not a concern apparently to you.

What do you mean by "good jobs" and "job with potential?" Kind of vague terms...
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#61 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]/facepalm No-one has a legitimate reason to oppose prostitution. Religious people are the only ones who pretend to have a legitimate reason.Nibroc420

If there is no legitimate reason to oppose prostitution, then anyone opposing it is doing so for fallacious, that is "pretend" reasons. Your statement is still false. Are you admitting that or not? I'm not clear.

I thought of making a joke about your logic and reasoning skills at this point, but it seemed unnecessary.

Are you trolling again? One group says "I dont like prostitution", but has no reason to dislike it, and opposes it. Another group says "Prostitution is the devil's work, Those who commit such sin will burn in hell!" The first group doesn't even try to come up with a reason why it's bad, while the second presents this grand claim based on nothing. Religion seems to be the group trying the hardest when coming up with reasons to oppose prostitution, they have the most members, and the most money. Yet you continue to assert that little old housewives have banded together in an attempt to jail hookers, and are more successful than any other group. Seriously?

They do have reasons to oppose it. The problem here is that you're an idiot.
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because it is degrading to women and would make our country look like sht.ZumaJones07
Actually when you legalize prostitution you give the prostitutes legal rights they don't have when you keep it illegal. And how would taking street whores of the street and replacing them with legal establishments be a bad thing?
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#63 shadowkiller11
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Well that would make the Taxi Driver less culturally relevant. Tough choice.
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#64 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Palantas"]

If there is no legitimate reason to oppose prostitution, then anyone opposing it is doing so for fallacious, that is "pretend" reasons. Your statement is still false. Are you admitting that or not? I'm not clear.

I thought of making a joke about your logic and reasoning skills at this point, but it seemed unnecessary.

themajormayor
Are you trolling again? One group says "I dont like prostitution", but has no reason to dislike it, and opposes it. Another group says "Prostitution is the devil's work, Those who commit such sin will burn in hell!" The first group doesn't even try to come up with a reason why it's bad, while the second presents this grand claim based on nothing. Religion seems to be the group trying the hardest when coming up with reasons to oppose prostitution, they have the most members, and the most money. Yet you continue to assert that little old housewives have banded together in an attempt to jail hookers, and are more successful than any other group. Seriously?

They do have reasons to oppose it. The problem here is that you're an idiot.

There is no justification for it. Next you're going to tell me that Marijuana causes you to burst into maniacal laughter and chop your friends up with an axe, and that's a legitimate reason to make it illegal. If your opinion/belief is illogical, or simply based on a fear of something that will never occur, than it's not a legitimate reason.
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#65 worlock77
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[QUOTE="GrindingAxe"][QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]Kids might be affected badly by it. We would see like,I dunno,5 years old prostitutes?FMAB_GTO
I think people are assuming adult prostitutes in this hypothetical situation since legalizing it in the US would probably require an age limit. Im thinking 21....

oh. Well kids are sneaky =P I dunno I assumed it would be like online porn with no parent protection or something.

Indeed, kids are sneaky. That's why we see 5 year-old construction workers.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Are you trolling again? One group says "I dont like prostitution", but has no reason to dislike it, and opposes it. Another group says "Prostitution is the devil's work, Those who commit such sin will burn in hell!" The first group doesn't even try to come up with a reason why it's bad, while the second presents this grand claim based on nothing. Religion seems to be the group trying the hardest when coming up with reasons to oppose prostitution, they have the most members, and the most money. Yet you continue to assert that little old housewives have banded together in an attempt to jail hookers, and are more successful than any other group. Seriously?Nibroc420
They do have reasons to oppose it. The problem here is that you're an idiot.

There is no justification for it. Next you're going to tell me that Marijuana causes you to burst into maniacal laughter and chop your friends up with an axe, and that's a legitimate reason to make it illegal. If your opinion/belief is illogical, or simply based on a fear of something that will never occur, than it's not a legitimate reason.

Yes there is, the problem is you are talking out of your ass.

Right so how would that be different compared to religious reasons?

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#67 Palantas
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Are you trolling again?Nibroc420

As you may be figuring out, it's a lot easier to mindlessly b!tch about other peoples' lack of knowledge than it is to do your own research and write your own argument.

One group says "I dont like prostitution", but has no reason to dislike it, and opposes it...The first group doesn't even try to come up with a reason why it's bad...

Nibroc420

Uh...yeah they do. Are you under the impression that feminist opposition to prostitution consists of "I don't like prostitution"? Not everyone is like yourself in their inability to articulate their point. It's been written about at some length. Again, this information is easily found. And you are such a brilliant debate strategist that you already established there is no legitimate reason to oppose prostitution; therefore all the feminist arguments are false.

That makes this statement of yours...

"Religious folks" are the only ones pretending to have a legitimate reasons for opposing it.Nibroc420

...logically false. You know thatlogic thing? That thing that "religious folks" don't have and you supposedly do?

Yet you continue to assert that little old housewives have banded together in an attempt to jail hookers, and are more successful than any other group.

Nibroc420

Please point out where I made this assertion.

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#68 Palantas
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

They do have reasons to oppose it. The problem here is that you're an idiot.

Nibroc420

There is no justification for it.

The discussion here isn't whether or not there is a valid objection to prostitution. It's your statement that only religious groups oppose it. This is flat out incorrect, has been pointed out to you, but you're either too dumb or too arrogant to acknowledge it. This is pretty comical set against the backdrop of your complaints about peoples' lacking facts and logic.

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Well that would make the Taxi Driver less culturally relevant. Tough choice.shadowkiller11

Ehh, 'Taxi Driver' hasn't really been relevant to contemporary culture since the gentrification of Manhattan.

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] They do have reasons to oppose it. The problem here is that you're an idiot.themajormayor

There is no justification for it. Next you're going to tell me that Marijuana causes you to burst into maniacal laughter and chop your friends up with an axe, and that's a legitimate reason to make it illegal. If your opinion/belief is illogical, or simply based on a fear of something that will never occur, than it's not a legitimate reason.

Yes there is, the problem is you are talking out of your ass.

Right so how would that be different compared to religious reasons?

Talking out of my ass? Look at the research done based on countries who have not only legalized prostitution, but have regulated it and have laws protecting the women working. What do you mean religious reasons? "I don't think prostitution should be legal because this book says i shouldn't do it"? Not everyone is a member of your religion, not everyone is a believer in your god. There is no reason for religion to act as a defense for ignorance,intolerance, and hate. Let your religion rule your life, and let other people find their own beliefs. Again there's no legitimate reason to oppose Prostitution, most people simply say "I think it's wrong" with zero justification, just parroting their elders. Religion however finds a way to fabricate this whole story to convince people not to do things, and the uneducated fundamentalists cling.
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I assume because it's hard to tax, even if it was legal, I doubt I'd do it, because typically women who charge for sex aren't as pretty as those who don't.
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#72 worlock77
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I assume because it's hard to tax, even if it was legal, I doubt I'd do it, because typically women who charge for sex aren't as pretty as those who don't.Fightingfan

It's not hard to tax, as Nevada has proven.

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#73 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] There is no justification for it. Next you're going to tell me that Marijuana causes you to burst into maniacal laughter and chop your friends up with an axe, and that's a legitimate reason to make it illegal. If your opinion/belief is illogical, or simply based on a fear of something that will never occur, than it's not a legitimate reason.Nibroc420

Yes there is, the problem is you are talking out of your ass.

Right so how would that be different compared to religious reasons?

Talking out of my ass? Look at the research done based on countries who have not only legalized prostitution, but have regulated it and have laws protecting the women working. What do you mean religious reasons? "I don't think prostitution should be legal because this book says i shouldn't do it"? Not everyone is a member of your religion, not everyone is a believer in your god. There is no reason for religion to act as a defense for ignorance,intolerance, and hate. Let your religion rule your life, and let other people find their own beliefs. Again there's no legitimate reason to oppose Prostitution, most people simply say "I think it's wrong" with zero justification, just parroting their elders. Religion however finds a way to fabricate this whole story to convince people not to do things, and the uneducated fundamentalists cling.

Right, that doesn't change anything. Do you even know what you are arguing about? You seem to be very confused. So you think religious reasons are legitimate but not feminist for example?
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#74 Palantas
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What do you mean religious reasons?Nibroc420

You established that there are no valid arguments against prostitution. Religious groups have their reasoning against it. Feminist groups have their reasoning against it. According to you, all of these are invalid. That makes this statement false:

"Religious folks" are the only ones pretending to have a legitimate reasons for opposing it.Nibroc420

This is not that hard to understand, Mr. Facts & Logic.

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#75 Nibroc420
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"Religious folks" are the only ones pretending to have a legitimate reasons for opposing it.Nibroc420

This is not that hard to understand, Mr. Facts & Logic.Palantas

Other groups simply say "Herp Derp, 'Why do i think it should be illegal?' errr cause it's bad"
I wouldn't even consiter that an attempt at trying to have a reason.

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Bunch of pruds don't like it.
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#77 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]"Religious folks" are the only ones pretending to have a legitimate reasons for opposing it.Nibroc420

This is not that hard to understand, Mr. Facts & Logic.Palantas

Other groups simply say "Herp Derp, 'Why do i think it should be illegal?' errr cause it's bad"
I wouldn't even consiter that an attempt at trying to have a reason.

Why don't you actually do some research before heading into a discussion?

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#78 Palantas
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It's good to simply generate strawman versions of arguments you know nothing about rather than do research, Mr. Facts & Logic. Your criticism of "religious folks" for their nonuse of logic and reasoning is clearly well-placed.

Other groups simply say "Herp Derp, 'Why do i think it should be illegal?' errr cause it's bad"

Nibroc420

Oh, who says that? And while you're looking for that, here's an easier task. Find this:

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Yet you continue to assert that little old housewives have banded together in an attempt to jail hookers, and are more successful than any other group.

I

Please point out where I made this assertion.

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[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]Kids might be affected badly by it. We would see like,I dunno,5 years old prostitutes?

uhm, no?
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I assume because it's hard to tax, even if it was legal, I doubt I'd do it, because typically women who charge for sex aren't as pretty as those who don't.worlock77

It's not hard to tax, as Nevada has proven.

I'm ignorant on Nevada's tax laws, so I can't agree/disagree.
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#81 ShadowMoses900
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I don't know....there are moral laws against it. But honestly what is the difference between people taking some bar slut home for free and someone paying someone for sex? I don't like the idea of prostitution, I think it's wrong, but there isn't really a reason for it to be illegal.

Especially considering that many young girls get involved with pimps who treat them like dirt and the girls wind up dead or with HIV or other STD's. If it was legalized like it is in the Netharlands the girls would have to get health checkups to make sure they are disease free and it would be required for the men to use condoms.

Plus no pimps that would abuse them and the girls would keep all their money. Also there are already plenty of female escourt services and gentlemen clubs, and those arn't illegal at all, and we all know what they do. You can find them in the phone book if you wanted.

Of course if it was legalised I still think that society should frown upon it like we do smoking. It's something that shouldn't be encouraged.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I assume because it's hard to tax, even if it was legal, I doubt I'd do it, because typically women who charge for sex aren't as pretty as those who don't.Fightingfan

It's not hard to tax, as Nevada has proven.

I'm ignorant on Nevada's tax laws, so I can't agree/disagree.

I don't know the percentages, but the fact is that it's legal, licensed, taxed and regulated in Nevada. So clearly it's not that hard to do.

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#83 zeldaluff
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I thought the legal kind was called a relationship.

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#84 worlock77
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I don't know....there are moral laws against it.ShadowMoses900

Meh.

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#85 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't know....there are moral laws against it.worlock77

Meh.

Our morals do affect our laws wether you like it or not. Religious values do inspire and influence laws to some degree, even our Constitution had some laws based on religious ones. There are no truly secular laws.

Not saying religion should be the law of the land because that would be wrong and harmful, but religion does form (part) of the basis for many laws to one extent or another.

And I don't think you read my whole post.

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#86 stanleycup98
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It's legal were im from. They take poor girls from eastern-europe and africa and trafic them up here and prostitute them. It's **** disgusting. Thats why.

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There is a difference between prositution simply being legal and prostitution being legal and regulated. The reason the industry is like that where you are from is because the government isn't regulating it. Under regulated prostitution, trafficking would still be illegal.
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#87 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't know....there are moral laws against it.ShadowMoses900

Meh.

Our morals do affect our laws wether you like it or not. Religious values do inspire and influence laws to some degree, even our Constitution had some laws based on religious ones. There are no truly secular laws.

Not saying religion should be the law of the land because that would be wrong and harmful, but religion does form (part) of the basis for many laws to one extent or another.

And I don't think you read my whole post.

Certainly some people's morals have influenced some laws. That does not mean it should be so however. Morality is subjective, and you cannot legislate it (nor should you attempt to). The only thing that should matter in regards to the law are rights and liberties. And yes, I read your entire post, do not assume otherwise.

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#88 Nibroc420
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Our morals do affect our laws wether you like it or not.

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Whose morals?

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#89 Palantas
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Nibroc420

What did you just miss the last page?

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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

Palantas

What did you just miss the last page?

I think it'll be less embarrassing for him if he choose to not continue this discussion

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#91 Nibroc420
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Palantas

What did you just miss the last page?

If you'd like to have an intellectual discussion, please read what is written, and don't ask questions that have already been answered. I really don't feel like repeating myself over and over while you attempt to pick apart my argument with semantics.
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#92 Palantas
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I think it'll be less embarrassing for him if he choose to not continue this discussion

themajormayor

Well yeah, but you'd think he'd either concede, or tell us to f*ck off, or something. It was only one page ago. It's not like I forgot about it.

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#93 BreakingDeath
Member since 2012 • 657 Posts

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

themajormayor

What did you just miss the last page?

I think it'll be less embarrassing for him if he choose to not continue this discussion

Agreed. I like how you guys handled the situation, and I thank you for saving me time. No need to contribute, now. Thanks, again!
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#94 Optical_Order
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

What did you just miss the last page?

BreakingDeath

I think it'll be less embarrassing for him if he choose to not continue this discussion

Agreed. I like how you guys handled the situation, and I thank you for saving me time. No need to contribute, now. Thanks, again!

:?

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#95 BreakingDeath
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[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] I think it'll be less embarrassing for him if he choose to not continue this discussion

Optical_Order

Agreed. I like how you guys handled the situation, and I thank you for saving me time. No need to contribute, now. Thanks, again!

:?

Yes?
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#96 Nibroc420
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No need to contribute, now.BreakingDeath

Yet you did.

Thanks for granting us the honor of your postings.

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#97 Optical_Order
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[QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"] Agreed. I like how you guys handled the situation, and I thank you for saving me time. No need to contribute, now. Thanks, again!BreakingDeath

:?

Yes?

It just comes off weird and I don't know why you bothered posting it.

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#98 BreakingDeath
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[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"]No need to contribute, now.Nibroc420

Yet you did.

Thanks for granting us the honor of your postings.

I didn't contribute? If I had, I would've quoted you. ;) -- I simply thanked them for saving me time. I'll take you want to go forward with the debate?
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#99 Palantas
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If you'd like to have an intellectual discussion, please read what is written, and don't ask questions that have already been answered. I really don't feel like repeating myself over and over while you attempt to pick apart my argument with semantics.Nibroc420

Oh, I'm picking apart your argument with "semantics"? Is that what I'm using?

I get the feeling you're that special c|ass of bad debater who will never admit that to any statement of his being incorrect. This makes you especially easy to befuddle. Since you're accusing me of arguing semantics, go ahead and point out where I do this in the my recent post:

Other groups simply say "Herp Derp, 'Why do i think it should be illegal?' errr cause it's bad"

Nibroc420

Oh, who says that? And while you're looking for that, here's an easier task. Find this:

Yet you continue to assert that little old housewives have banded together in an attempt to jail hookers, and are more successful than any other group.

Nibroc420

Please point out where I made this assertion.

Point out where I'm arguing semantics in the above challenges to your statements. You're devoted to logic and reason, so this should be a simple task for you.

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#100 BreakingDeath
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[QUOTE="BreakingDeath"][QUOTE="Optical_Order"]

:?

Optical_Order

Yes?

It just comes off weird and I don't know why you bothered posting it.

Ah. I just wanted to show that another person is in the same agreement. PM's would've worked better, though?