And you say I post bad youtube links?[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]
This is relevant.
CBR600-RR
I said you post **** music, not YouTube links in general, just music. You won't get British humour because:
Umad? Way to take it too far
Why must the Bible be perfect?
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Have a source for the last two?Anybody educated in the religion at all knows there are flaws, large sections changed, books added/removed.
This will continue to be the case.
i.e. the gosbal of eve being removed, the ressurection story being added in the 3rd century, Jesus being god literally voted on, ect. ect.
CaveJohnson1
[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]Have a source for the last two?Counsel of nicaea votingAnybody educated in the religion at all knows there are flaws, large sections changed, books added/removed.
This will continue to be the case.
i.e. the gosbal of eve being removed, the ressurection story being added in the 3rd century, Jesus being god literally voted on, ect. ect.
jak275
Didn't die and ressurect.
Buzz Aldrin is a boss
the basis for believing that its the word of God is faith. and God was not mind controlling these men, they were inspired by God....I don't understand why most Christians believe that the Bible is perfect. I mean the new testament is just a conglomeration of the works of other Christians just like them.
I'm not trying to harp on the Bible - it's a very useful book for Christians - it's just that it seems so silly to me when people pull a quotation out of one of Paul's letters act like it has some sort of ultimate authority... it's almost like a form of idolatry. (If I had to pick a favorite Christian writer I would go with C.S. Lewis; should I start treating his works (Mere Christianity, Narnia) like some sort of religious canon?)
Of course you could insist that the Bible is the actual word of God and that he spoke directly through its authors but what basis do you really have in making this judgement? ...and even if he was speaking through these individuals I find it hard to believe that their personalities and biases wouldn't still end up finding their way the text. (I mean if you want a Biblical example look at David, Abraham and Moses - God didn't have compete control over these individuals; they made lots of mistakes.)
Honestly I'm not even sure if I would consider myself a person of faith but I think that Christians should rely more on experiencing Christ's love personally instead of modeling themselves after the writings of others. If there's any legitimacy to the notion of Christ living in us then it should be able to be experienced without reliance on a book filled with stories about dead Christians... why dwell in the past if you can experience what God is doing in the lives of Christians today?
Meinhard1
waesnt the gospel of eve confirmed to be non canon? and the added books are from the catholic bible, the apocryph books. not in the original one.Anybody educated in the religion at all knows there are flaws, large sections changed, books added/removed.
This will continue to be the case.
i.e. the gosbal of eve being removed, the ressurection story being added in the 3rd century, Jesus being god literally voted on, ect. ect.
CaveJohnson1
[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]waesnt the gospel of eve confirmed to be non canon? and the added books are from the catholic bible, the apocryph books. not in the original one.A pope randomly decided to remove it in something like the 11th century. No, it's canon.Anybody educated in the religion at all knows there are flaws, large sections changed, books added/removed.
This will continue to be the case.
i.e. the gosbal of eve being removed, the ressurection story being added in the 3rd century, Jesus being god literally voted on, ect. ect.
lightleggy
[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]:cry: Not another one :( Where did you get this "most" Christians stat from? From the previous religious thread that is still going on, Atheists expect more out of Christians than Christians expect of themselves. I do not know many Christians who attempt to follow the Bible verbatim, there is only the small minority of fanatics who believe the Bible is infallibleTentacleMayorThis exactly. There aren't any Christians making religious threads in OT anymore, yet for some reason the atheists here seem to feel a need to blast Christianity on a daily basis. Just once, I would like to see an atheist make a thread like this on just one religion outside of Christianity - but I don't think it can be done, it's a statistical impossibility.:P:lol: QFT. Atheists are some of the most arrogant gits I know of. No one's trying to convert me to Christianity, but atheists? They're the trolls of religion.
Why in the world does bitter atheist bashing always make its way into these threads? :?
QFT. Atheists are some of the most arrogant gits I know of. No one's trying to convert me to Christianity, but atheists? They're the trolls of religion.[QUOTE="TentacleMayor"][QUOTE="topsemag55"] This exactly. There aren't any Christians making religious threads in OT anymore, yet for some reason the atheists here seem to feel a need to blast Christianity on a daily basis. Just once, I would like to see an atheist make a thread like this on just one religion outside of Christianity - but I don't think it can be done, it's a statistical impossibility.:P:lol:GreySeal9
Why in the world does bitter atheist bashing always make its way into these threads? :?
:lol: It is not a one way street haha[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="TentacleMayor"] QFT. Atheists are some of the most arrogant gits I know of. No one's trying to convert me to Christianity, but atheists? They're the trolls of religion. chaoscougar1
Why in the world does bitter atheist bashing always make its way into these threads? :?
:lol: It is not a one way street hahaNo, it's not, but I do notice a kind of petty bitterness against athiests from many people on this forum.
The TC really didn't mention athiesm, and sure enough, athiest bashing on the first page! It's ridiculous.
It's stuff like that makes me think that many people on this forum are just bitter about some encounter with an athiest and generalize athiests because of it.
That kind of generalization does happen to Christians as well, but there really does seem to be a tangible bitterness against athiests from certain people on this forum. It's like you can't open a religion thread without people complaining about the big bad athiests.
:lol: It is not a one way street haha[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
Why in the world does bitter atheist bashing always make its way into these threads? :?
GreySeal9
No, it's not, but I do notice a kind of petty bitterness against athiests from many people on this forum.
The TC really didn't mention athiesm, and sure enough, athiest bashing on the first page! It's ridiculous.
It's stuff like that makes me think that many people on this forum are just bitter about some encounter with an athiest and generalize athiests because of it.
That kind of generalization does happen to Christians as well, but there really does seem to be a tangible bitterness against athiests from certain people on this forum. It's like you can't open a religion thread without people complaining about the big bad athiests.
:lol: Yes, Atheists have zero bitterness
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] :lol: It is not a one way street hahachaoscougar1
No, it's not, but I do notice a kind of petty bitterness against athiests from many people on this forum.
The TC really didn't mention athiesm, and sure enough, athiest bashing on the first page! It's ridiculous.
It's stuff like that makes me think that many people on this forum are just bitter about some encounter with an athiest and generalize athiests because of it.
That kind of generalization does happen to Christians as well, but there really does seem to be a tangible bitterness against athiests from certain people on this forum. It's like you can't open a religion thread without people complaining about the big bad athiests.
:lol: Yes, Atheists have zero bitterness
I didn't say they have zero bitterness, so I don't see what you find so amusing. I have encountered several examples of athiests that are just straight up bitter, even to the point of trying to take religion out of every public venue they can. But, on this forum, I constantly see people **** and moaning about how mean thebig bad athiests are. Some of it might be based on incidents of athiests straight up being douches to them (though that doesn't justify the generalization), but I think alot of it comes down to people being mad that their beliefs are being picked apart, to which my advice is, stay out the debates.
[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
No, it's not, but I do notice a kind of petty bitterness against athiests from many people on this forum.
The TC really didn't mention athiesm, and sure enough, athiest bashing on the first page! It's ridiculous.
It's stuff like that makes me think that many people on this forum are just bitter about some encounter with an athiest and generalize athiests because of it.
That kind of generalization does happen to Christians as well, but there really does seem to be a tangible bitterness against athiests from certain people on this forum. It's like you can't open a religion thread without people complaining about the big bad athiests.
GreySeal9
:lol: Yes, Atheists have zero bitterness
I didn't say they have zero bitterness, so I don't see what you find so amusing. I have encountered several examples of athiests that are just straight up bitter, even to the point of trying to take religion out of every public venue they can. But, on this forum, I constantly see people **** and moaning about how mean thebig bad athiests are. Some of it might be based on incidents of athiests straight up being douches to them (though that doesn't justify the generalization), but I think alot of it comes down to people being mad that their beliefs are being picked apart, to which my advice is, stay out the debates.
I find it amusing because generally there are more Atheist threads trying to argue against/insult religion, than religious threads trying to convert Atheists. You seem to be under the impression of the opposite[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]
:lol: Yes, Atheists have zero bitterness
chaoscougar1
I didn't say they have zero bitterness, so I don't see what you find so amusing. I have encountered several examples of athiests that are just straight up bitter, even to the point of trying to take religion out of every public venue they can. But, on this forum, I constantly see people **** and moaning about how mean thebig bad athiests are. Some of it might be based on incidents of athiests straight up being douches to them (though that doesn't justify the generalization), but I think alot of it comes down to people being mad that their beliefs are being picked apart, to which my advice is, stay out the debates.
I find it amusing because generally there are more Atheist threads trying to argue against/insult religion, than religious threads trying to convert Atheists. You seem to be under the impression of the opposite thats because religious people wouldnt have a leg to stand on and would immediately be shot down if they tried to convert people on a forum.[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]I find it amusing because generally there are more Atheist threads trying to argue against/insult religion, than religious threads trying to convert Atheists. You seem to be under the impression of the opposite thats because religious people wouldnt have a leg to stand on and would immediately be shot down if they tried to convert people on a forum. Case. In. Point.I didn't say they have zero bitterness, so I don't see what you find so amusing. I have encountered several examples of athiests that are just straight up bitter, even to the point of trying to take religion out of every public venue they can. But, on this forum, I constantly see people **** and moaning about how mean thebig bad athiests are. Some of it might be based on incidents of athiests straight up being douches to them (though that doesn't justify the generalization), but I think alot of it comes down to people being mad that their beliefs are being picked apart, to which my advice is, stay out the debates.
theSteeeeels
Ironic since you were the person who went of for pages trying to prove that essentially no one is Christian...
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]
:lol: Yes, Atheists have zero bitterness
chaoscougar1
I didn't say they have zero bitterness, so I don't see what you find so amusing. I have encountered several examples of athiests that are just straight up bitter, even to the point of trying to take religion out of every public venue they can. But, on this forum, I constantly see people **** and moaning about how mean thebig bad athiests are. Some of it might be based on incidents of athiests straight up being douches to them (though that doesn't justify the generalization), but I think alot of it comes down to people being mad that their beliefs are being picked apart, to which my advice is, stay out the debates.
I find it amusing because generally there are more Atheist threads trying to argue against/insult religion, than religious threads trying to convert Atheists. You seem to be under the impression of the oppositeI'm actually not under the opposite impression at all since we're talking about two different things.
There are certainly more athiest threads trying to argue against/insult religion than religious threads trying to convery athiests because there are simply more athiests on this forum. Athiesm, as a belief, doesn't get attacked the way religion does. But athiests, as people, get attacked alot and I think it might have to do with some religious people feeling outnumbered in debate threads.
I mean, liberals are more prominent on this forum, yet there's no end to the constant loud bitter complaining about liberals from some conservatives on this site.
Also, while there are some rude threads against religion on this site, I do think that some people are too sensitive about threads that criticize religion. As long as it's done in a way that doesn't insult religious folks, I don't see why poking holes at it should be so offensive to someone of faith (cause that's what happens in a debate), especially if that faith is strong.
thats because religious people wouldnt have a leg to stand on and would immediately be shot down if they tried to convert people on a forum. Case. In. Point.[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] I find it amusing because generally there are more Atheist threads trying to argue against/insult religion, than religious threads trying to convert Atheists. You seem to be under the impression of the oppositechaoscougar1
Ironic since you were the person who went of for pages trying to prove that essentially no one is Christian...
how is that ironic in any way.
I like what you say. Unfortunately, when the bulk of Christians are like what you say and hold great influence over peoples lives (Speaking politics, though it looks like its slowly coming around...), it kind of gives some people no choice but to take them seriously....Anyone who acts as if the bible is "authority" on others are probably radical christians and shouldn't be taken seriously in the first place.
DJ-Lafleur
[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]Case. In. Point.[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"] thats because religious people wouldnt have a leg to stand on and would immediately be shot down if they tried to convert people on a forum.onebeelo
Ironic since you were the person who went of for pages trying to prove that essentially no one is Christian...
how is that ironic in any way. He complains that religious people attempt to convert people on the internet using poor logic In a previous thread he tried to "defeat" Christianity by saying you aren't Christian unless you follow the Bible verbatim Irony.[QUOTE="onebeelo"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] Case. In. Point.how is that ironic in any way. He complains that religious people attempt to convert people on the internet using poor logic In a previous thread he tried to "defeat" Christianity by saying you aren't Christian unless you follow the Bible verbatim Irony. no he said religious people dont make thread trying to convert people, because they would get shot down immediatelyIronic since you were the person who went of for pages trying to prove that essentially no one is Christian...
chaoscougar1
He complains that religious people attempt to convert people on the internet using poor logic In a previous thread he tried to "defeat" Christianity by saying you aren't Christian unless you follow the Bible verbatim Irony. no he said religious people dont make thread trying to convert people, because they would get shot down immediately Topic Title...Content. Two different parts of the same post. What you said = Topic Title What he insinuated in his post = Content[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="onebeelo"] how is that ironic in any way.onebeelo
[QUOTE="onebeelo"]no he said religious people dont make thread trying to convert people, because they would get shot down immediately Topic Title...Content. Two different parts of the same post. What you said = Topic Title What he insinuated in his post = Content ehh ? youve lost me he clearly was rebutting a point made, and said that religous people dont start threads trying to convert people because they would be shot down, unlike athiests who can actually back there talk up but whatever[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] He complains that religious people attempt to convert people on the internet using poor logic In a previous thread he tried to "defeat" Christianity by saying you aren't Christian unless you follow the Bible verbatim Irony.chaoscougar1
The question I would ask is rather or not should they be labeled a Christian, true Christian, if they only care to nit pick through the Bible instead taking it all as its worth? I would figure you shouldn't half ass things if you want to be part of the club....why are the majority of Christians generalized in so many religious threads....
Not everybody who is Christian believes in every piece of the Bible in fact I know quite a few who do not...
fueled-system
[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="onebeelo"] no he said religious people dont make thread trying to convert people, because they would get shot down immediatelyTopic Title...Content. Two different parts of the same post. What you said = Topic Title What he insinuated in his post = Content ehh ? youve lost me he clearly was rebutting a point made, and said that religous people dont start threads trying to convert people because they would be shot down, unlike athiests who can actually back there talk up but whatever :| and hence why I said what I did originally?...ummmm :?onebeelo
[QUOTE="fueled-system"]The question I would ask is rather or not should they be labeled a Christian, true Christian, if they only care to nit pick through the Bible instead taking it all as its worth? I would figure you shouldn't half ass things if you want to be part of the club.... Are you a part of set club?why are the majority of Christians generalized in so many religious threads....
Not everybody who is Christian believes in every piece of the Bible in fact I know quite a few who do not...
tocool340
ehh ? youve lost me he clearly was rebutting a point made, and said that religous people dont start threads trying to convert people because they would be shot down, unlike athiests who can actually back there talk up but whatever :| and hence why I said what I did originally?...ummmm :? but ur other post said that he said that religious people do try and convert people? but he said they didnt? your confusing me now... and also what do you mean "he tried to "defeat" Christianity by saying you aren't Christian unless you follow the Bible verbatim"? surely if you dont follow the bible then you are infact not a christian...[QUOTE="onebeelo"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] Topic Title...Content. Two different parts of the same post. What you said = Topic Title What he insinuated in his post = Contentchaoscougar1
[QUOTE="fueled-system"]The question I would ask is rather or not should they be labeled a Christian, true Christian, if they only care to nit pick through the Bible instead taking it all as its worth? I would figure you shouldn't half ass things if you want to be part of the club....why are the majority of Christians generalized in so many religious threads....
Not everybody who is Christian believes in every piece of the Bible in fact I know quite a few who do not...
tocool340
I really have no problem with people deciding what parts of the Bible make the most sense to them and practicing those things over others. I actually think that kind of selective practice of the religion is more beneficial to society, especially if they have a more progressive interpretaton.
If they genuinely think one part of the Bible enriches their life more or makes more philosophical sense, more power to them. However, what I don't like is when people are being picky and choosey just because it's convenient. That=lame.
[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="fueled-system"]The question I would ask is rather or not should they be labeled a Christian, true Christian, if they only care to nit pick through the Bible instead taking it all as its worth? I would figure you shouldn't half ass things if you want to be part of the club.... Are you a part of set club? No. Not interested in explaining why I don't want to be in said club. It was just a...metaphor I think would be the word...I was using. If the book was originally suppose to be taken 100% as fact (Correct me if I'm wrong. Not sure what the Bible was originally suppose to be taken as...), it seems weird to me that people would cherry pick things the book says then turn around and say they are part of that club....why are the majority of Christians generalized in so many religious threads....
Not everybody who is Christian believes in every piece of the Bible in fact I know quite a few who do not...
chaoscougar1
[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]:| and hence why I said what I did originally?...ummmm :? but ur other post said that he said that religious people do try and convert people? but he said they didnt? your confusing me now... and also what do you mean "he tried to "defeat" Christianity by saying you aren't Christian unless you follow the Bible verbatim"? surely if you dont follow the bible then you are infact not a christian... :cry: What he said was, religious people don't try and convert forum members because he believes they have poor logic. Then I linked that to where he was using the argument of; don't follow the Bible verbatim (hint: means word for word) then you are not Christian. Essentially saying there are no Christians left as the Bible and Christian laws have been altered in the last 2000 years. (hint: Thats the poor logic part) Hence ironic. There is also no possible way I am getting into that discussion again, if you would like to see my points on that subject that 300 post thread I linked above should provide you a window into my argument[QUOTE="onebeelo"] ehh ? youve lost me he clearly was rebutting a point made, and said that religous people dont start threads trying to convert people because they would be shot down, unlike athiests who can actually back there talk up but whateveronebeelo
The question I would ask is rather or not should they be labeled a Christian, true Christian, if they only care to nit pick through the Bible instead taking it all as its worth? I would figure you shouldn't half ass things if you want to be part of the club....[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="fueled-system"]
why are the majority of Christians generalized in so many religious threads....
Not everybody who is Christian believes in every piece of the Bible in fact I know quite a few who do not...
GreySeal9
I really have no problem with people deciding what parts of the Bible make the most sense to them and practicing those things over others. I actually think that kind of selective practice of the religion is more beneficial to society, especially if they have a more progressive interpretaton.
If they genuinely think one part of the Bible enriches their life more or makes more philosophical sense, more power to them. However, what I don't like is when people are being picky and choosey just because it's convenient. That=lame.
I agree with what you say, I was just wondering would it be proper to say someone is part of a religion if the book, the object that's suppose to be taken I believe literally, is cherry picked to suit a person needs...[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="tocool340"] The question I would ask is rather or not should they be labeled a Christian, true Christian, if they only care to nit pick through the Bible instead taking it all as its worth? I would figure you shouldn't half ass things if you want to be part of the club....tocool340
I really have no problem with people deciding what parts of the Bible make the most sense to them and practicing those things over others. I actually think that kind of selective practice of the religion is more beneficial to society, especially if they have a more progressive interpretaton.
If they genuinely think one part of the Bible enriches their life more or makes more philosophical sense, more power to them. However, what I don't like is when people are being picky and choosey just because it's convenient. That=lame.
I agree with what you say, I was just wondering would it be proper to say someone is part of a religion if the book, the object that's suppose to be taken I believe literally, is cherry picked to suit a person needs...The thing is: I think that's why alot of people get into religion in the first place. Because some part of it addresses a need they have.
So, I think in some way or another, it is always going to be cherrypicked at to meet certain needs. I might get flak for this (or maybe not), but I don't think there's a single person who doesn't cheerpick, so I don't the standard for being a Christian can be that said Christian doesn't cheerypick. It's simply too high a standard IMO that almost makes the religon useless.
But I do think that some people cheerypick because they want to justify hating gays or because they don't want to give up their vices, which is an awful way to practice religion.
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