Why prosecuting pirates is useless

The artist doesn't even receive the money most of the time

Part goes to the lawyers and the other to the company. And the people who pirate the property weren't going to purchase

the goods anyway. And so persecuting pirates is a pointless endeavor for the artist.

Its still stealing.

However, sometimes people get prosecuted like its worse than stealing. Which it isn't. I heard a story of some guy in australlia who pirated a few Wii games got like an insane fine, something upwards of a couple million dollars if I remember correctly. which is ridiculous. They shouldn't be allowed to be punished any harsher than what would happen if they walked into a store and tried to walk out without paying for it.

But they steal.

And take hostages. And occasionally murder.

The artist doesn't even receive the money most of the time

Part goes to the lawyers and the other to the company. And the people who pirate the property weren't going to purchase

the goods anyway. And so persecuting pirates is a pointless endeavor for the artist.

MetalDogGear

Its still stealing.

However, sometimes people get prosecuted like its worse than stealing. Which it isn't. I heard a story of some guy in australlia who pirated a few Wii games got like an insane fine, something upwards of a couple million dollars if I remember correctly. which is ridiculous. They shouldn't be allowed to be punished any harsher than what would happen if they walked into a store and tried to walk out without paying for it.

VendettaRed07

It's pretty different form doing that. If you take from a store, they already own it and need to sell their stock to make money back. When you copy a game illegally, you're just copying it. (copyright infringement, not theft)

It's more like walking into a bookstore, copying the whole book, and putting the original back on the shelf.

I'd say, the maximum punishment should be the value of the copied media; and just streamline the court process, where you can either pay the fine, or challenge it in court.

Its still stealing.

However, sometimes people get prosecuted like its worse than stealing. Which it isn't. I heard a story of some guy in australlia who pirated a few Wii games got like an insane fine, something upwards of a couple million dollars if I remember correctly. which is ridiculous. They shouldn't be allowed to be punished any harsher than what would happen if they walked into a store and tried to walk out without paying for it.

VendettaRed07

[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]

The artist doesn't even receive the money most of the time

Part goes to the lawyers and the other to the company. And the people who pirate the property weren't going to purchase

the goods anyway. And so persecuting pirates is a pointless endeavor for the artist.

BossPerson

Its still stealing.

However, sometimes people get prosecuted like its worse than stealing. Which it isn't. I heard a story of some guy in australlia who pirated a few Wii games got like an insane fine, something upwards of a couple million dollars if I remember correctly. which is ridiculous. They shouldn't be allowed to be punished any harsher than what would happen if they walked into a store and tried to walk out without paying for it.

VendettaRed07

No its copy write infringement and closer to plagerism then in actual theft of physical property.

Pirates are thugs. Thugs on the internet.

Pirates are thugs. Thugs on the internet.

Legend002

it's a scare tactic to keep some from stealing

While pirates should be condemned. We have to accept that the market that is experiencing a huge change. Internet has significantly changed the worth of many products. Mainly because a physical form of the product isn't a requirement these days. This has created a huge problem considering that the vast majority of publishers rely on this physical form. In specific, one of the important reasons for a author to hire a publishers is distribution, yet the distribution of digital products has become such a easy feat that publishers are no longer required for distribution purposes. Despite that, many authors remain with publishers for marketing purposes. While this is perfectly acceptable, the reduced costs of distribution should have a effect on the pricing of products that are distributed digitally. The point I'm trying to raise is as follows, piracy is indeed a form of stealing but the pricing of legitimate digitally distributed products is far too high.

It's not stealing. Stealing implies that the victim no longer has the object stolen from them.Reed_Bowie

[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"] I think the "greedy bastard" is the person who's pirating stuff.Crunchy_Nuts

They could work on a more consumer friendly licensing model, like Epic's UDK being before profiting 50 000$+ you owe 0$. Also could have a bit in there requiring businesses to purchase a license upfront regardless.

Same goes for Maya, Mudbox, 3ds, ect.

Though that would probably cut into upgrade profits... But it could also result in it being even more ubiquitous making them more money in the end.

pirates are useless

these scumbags ruined pc gaming

soldier of fortune payback has no cd key or drm bs it has no copy protection on the actual retail game.

This is how all pc games used to be but people f*cking ruined it.

If you like the goddamn game u pirated F*cking buy it.

pirates are useless

these scumbags ruined pc gaming

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soldier of fortune payback has no cd key or drm bs it has no copy protection on the actual retail game.

This is how all pc games used to be but people f*cking ruined it.

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If you like the goddamn game u pirated F*cking buy it.

cryemocry

(edit: it is possible to not have to make multiple posts with one, or two, sentences in each.)

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soldier of fortune payback has no cd key or drm bs it has no copy protection on the actual retail game.

This is how all pc games used to be but people f*cking ruined it.

Inconsistancy

Someone who really likes a pirated game and plays it all the time and never buy's it is a piece of **** lol

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="cryemocry"]

soldier of fortune payback has no cd key or drm bs it has no copy protection on the actual retail game.

This is how all pc games used to be but people f*cking ruined it.

cryemocry

payback was a low budget game like 40$ reason they didnt add securerom or cd key.

full priced games used to be like that though quake 2 is a example.

[QUOTE="cryemocry"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] Corporations "ruined it", The Witcher1/2 also has a no DRM version, nor do any games on gog.com and I'd assume Cyberpunk 2077 will be the same.Inconsistancy

You can justfiy it any way you want, but it is thieft (I do it too).

Piracy hurts the media industry, even if it doesn't hurt artists and producers that much (that make most of the money form concerts and views in a theater). If the companies even make 5% less because of piracy, they are going to not be able to fund as many movies, games, or music: this realy hurts the small "little" guy, like the one that would help with the set on a movie, or a secretary in a recording studio that goes out of business because 5% fewer albums are being produced.

cd key makes a game take longer to install because you gotta sit there and type in the goddamn code off a booklet and sometimes you might make a error typing in the code.

f*cking stupid spermheads ruined it all.

Persecuting thieves in general is pointless. People will still steal and such. I say no laws.

But they steal.

And take hostages. And occasionally murder.

IdioticIcarus

So is singing a song plagiarism? Fightingfan

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]So is singing a song plagiarism? Yusuke420

They are thieves and deserve the death penalty and or life in prison.

They are thieves and deserve the death penalty and or life in prison.

Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]

They are thieves and deserve the death penalty and or life in prison.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]

They are thieves and deserve the death penalty and or life in prison.

Capitan_Kid

Copyright infringement isn't theft, and excessive punishments don't really prevent crime so well. People still murder when there's a death penalty.

And that's a violation of the 8th amendment.

I'd say, the maximum punishment should be the value of the copied media; and just streamline the court process, where you can either pay the fine, or challenge it in court.

Inconsistancy

A penalty that low wouldn't be a disincentive to anyone. People already aren't phased by massive penalties, so lowering them would only increase piracy. And surely there has to be some monetary recognition of the pirate's blatant disregard of the rights-holders' rights.

Also, your suggestion wouldn't cover the problems of people seeding downloads to other people in peer-to-peer situations, which is kind of a big deal. There has to be some acknowledgement of the fact that each uploader may be enabling a hundred other people to violate the law.

Copyright infringement isn't theft, and excessive punishments don't really prevent crime so well. People still murder when there's a death penalty.

And that's a violation of the 8th amendment.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

I'd say, the maximum punishment should be the value of the copied media; and just streamline the court process, where you can either pay the fine, or challenge it in court.

Planeforger

A penalty that low wouldn't be a disincentive to anyone. People already aren't phased by massive penalties, so lowering them would only increase piracy. And surely there has to be some monetary recognition of the pirate's blatant disregard of the rights-holders' rights.

Also, your suggestion wouldn't cover the problems of people seeding downloads to other people in peer-to-peer situations, which is kind of a big deal. There has to be some acknowledgement of the fact that each uploader may be enabling a hundred other people to violate the law.

::downloads copyrighted thing off naughty pirate site:: ::gets fined the cost of the product with option to challenge in court::

Unless people band together to challenge the courts, this would work fine. It's clear the enormous fine doesn't prevent piracy anyway. (which is probably a violation of the 8th amendment anyway, for most cases)

And for the uploaders, if they're caught, you charge them for each time they uploaded something. If you catch both, the court punishes both equally and there is a double pay-out. win win.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]They are thieves and deserve the death penalty and or life in prison.

Capitan_Kid

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."