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#51 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

Copyright infringement isn't theft, and excessive punishments don't really prevent crime so well. People still murder when there's a death penalty.

And that's a violation of the 8th amendment.

Inconsistancy

What's a violation of the 8th amendment?

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

The way around that is to make the punishment usual.....just saying.
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#52 Inconsistancy
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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"] What's a violation of the 8th amendment? LJS9502_basic

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

The way around that is to make the punishment usual.....just saying.

Ha... yea, fun.

Let's live in a nation where you're put to death for stealing a piece of bubble gum. Oddly enough, I was just watching the episode of Star Trek: TNG "Justice", which has this sort of "all punishments for breaking any crime is death"

Though I'd still consider that cruel...

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#53 Crunchy_Nuts
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What's the difference between a library and a torrent?Fightingfan
Libraries require physical access and so automatically limits the number of people who have access to it. Libraries also do not reproduce media.
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#54 Crunchy_Nuts
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[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"] Who's at fault here, The pirate who stole a $1,200 dollar software program (photoshop) Or the company that priced it?Inconsistancy

Did you ever try to consider why Adobe price it that high? If we take photoshop as an example. It was designed as a tool for professionals, and so most of them probably consider it as an investment rather than an inconvenient cost. If you want what photoshop can do there are plenty of FREE alternatives that can do most things that PS can do. I don't agree with prosecuting pirates for different reasons entirely but people who pirate software where an alternative free version which is almost as good can not use the 'it costs too much' excuse.

They could work on a more consumer friendly licensing model, like Epic's UDK being before profiting 50 000$+ you owe 0$. Also could have a bit in there requiring businesses to purchase a license upfront regardless.

Same goes for Maya, Mudbox, 3ds, ect.

Though that would probably cut into upgrade profits... But it could also result in it being even more ubiquitous making them more money in the end.

If people are so concerned with cost then why not use the free alternatives? Maybe Adobe has decided that they would not get enough new customers to justify a price reduction.
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#55 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

Inconsistancy

The way around that is to make the punishment usual.....just saying.

Ha... yea, fun.

Let's live in a nation where you're put to death for stealing a piece of bubble gum. Oddly enough, I was just watching the episode of Star Trek: TNG "Justice", which has this sort of "all punishments for breaking any crime is death"

Though I'd still consider that cruel...

Hey I'm not advocating his ideas....just clarifying....
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#56 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]What's the difference between a library and a torrent?Crunchy_Nuts
Libraries require physical access and so automatically limits the number of people who have access to it. Libraries also do not reproduce media.

So should be prosecute college kids who photocopy a page in a textbook for homework?
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#57 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]What's the difference between a library and a torrent?Fightingfan
Libraries require physical access and so automatically limits the number of people who have access to it. Libraries also do not reproduce media.

So should be prosecute college kids who photocopy a page in a textbook for homework?

I'd imagine if they plagiarize they can be thrown out....

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#58 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"] Libraries require physical access and so automatically limits the number of people who have access to it. Libraries also do not reproduce media.LJS9502_basic

So should be prosecute college kids who photocopy a page in a textbook for homework?

I'd imagine if they plagiarize they can be thrown out....

I mean't making a hardcopy for the sake of doing homework outside a library.

Example.

Lets say I need a copy of the Bill of rights, and my(The library)text book as a page with the bill of rights; if I take that book and put it against a scanner should I be sent to prison?

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#59 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] So should be prosecute college kids who photocopy a page in a textbook for homework? Fightingfan

I'd imagine if they plagiarize they can be thrown out....

I mean't making a hardcopy for the sake of doing homework outside a library.

Example.

Lets say I need a copy of the Bill of rights, and my(The library)text book as a page with the bill of rights; if I take that book and put it against a scanner should I be sent to prison?

I don't think the Bill of Rights has a copyright....any way that isn't actually illegal unless you start passing it off as your own work.

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#60 WhiteKnight77
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]So should be prosecute college kids who photocopy a page in a textbook for homework? Fightingfan

I'd imagine if they plagiarize they can be thrown out....

I mean't making a hardcopy for the sake of doing homework outside a library.

Example.

Lets say I need a copy of the Bill of rights, and my(The library)text book as a page with the bill of rights; if I take that book and put it against a scanner should I be sent to prison?

That would be considered fair use, just like copying a page or two in a book would be fair use (read the copyright notice at the front of the book to see what you can or cannot do). Copying a chapter or the whole book would be copyright infringement.

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#61 br0kenrabbit
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lol@kids not old enough to produce just TAKE TAKE TAKE.

These are probably the same kids complaining about senior citizens on social security feeling entitled to their social security check.

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#62 br0kenrabbit
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I don't think the Bill of Rights has a copy wright

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Copyright - one word, no 'W'.

And works of government are public domain, unless they fall under specific clauses (classified, the logos (NASA logo for example) and so forth).

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#63 ShuLordLiuPei
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According to modern economic theory, all decisions we make consist of a paradigm between risk and reward. In piracy, the risk of money being lost is non-existent, and the risk of being caught and prosecuted is minimal. The risk is essentially zero. However, the reward is whatever you do (or can) pirate, and can be infinite. Therefore, under modern economic theory, piracy is perfectly justifiable. No risk and all reward.

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#64 coolbeans90
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seven proxies, b!tches

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#65 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I don't think the Bill of Rights has a copy wright

br0kenrabbit

Copyright - one word, no 'W'.

And works of government are public domain, unless they fall under specific clauses (classified, the logos (NASA logo for example) and so forth).

That's how I had it...but GS spell checked it and came up with that. Which didn't look right...but I thought it must be me. Are you becoming thegerg though?
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#66 br0kenrabbit
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Are you becoming thegerg though?LJS9502_basic

One more thing like out of your mouth and you and I are going a few rounds. :evil:

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#67 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Are you becoming thegerg though?br0kenrabbit

One more thing like out of your mouth and you and I are going a few rounds. :evil:

:lol: Sorry....
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#68 Crunchy_Nuts
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[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]What's the difference between a library and a torrent?Fightingfan
Libraries require physical access and so automatically limits the number of people who have access to it. Libraries also do not reproduce media.

So should be prosecute college kids who photocopy a page in a textbook for homework?

As far as I'm aware reproduction of legally obtained material for personal use is legal.
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#69 Zeviander
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Its still stealing.VendettaRed07
Then why is it called "copyright infringement" and not "theft"? Enforcing copyright law is a losing battle. Better to try and hold onto the customers one does have than risk losing them by utilizing harsh methods of protection.
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#71 Zeviander
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That's got nothing to do with whether or not something is stealing. thegerg
It has everything to do with it. Theft is the action of taking a physical object from the possession of another person. There is no tangible "loss" from an illegally produced copy. That would require proof that the person who made the copy intended on paying for it (which is impossible to prove). iTunes, Netflix, Spotify, Steam, GOG, last.fm, etc, etc, etc have proven that people are more than willing to pay for things. They just need to be as or more convenient than a torrent, and reasonably priced.
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Pirates are people, too. They just want to have nice things like everyone else.

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#75 Zeviander
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No, it doesn't. Something doesn't have to be called "theft" to be stealing. You seem to be very confused. thegerg
Then please explain how downloading an illegal copy of a book, of a song, of a movie, of a video game is "stealing".
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#77 Zeviander
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Why don't you explain how downloading an illegal copy of a book, of a song, of a movie, of a video game is "stealing"?thegerg
Because I am claiming it is not stealing.
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#79 Zeviander
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Neither am I.thegerg
The vagueness of your statements implied otherwise. My mistake.
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#81 zpluffy
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It's stealing and against the law. There are other useless laws out there. But it's the law. As for pirates, they must be prosecuted because it's not fair while hard working good samitarian worked their hard earned money to get the game and pirates just take it for free.