Why Trump might win the Presidency

You need to calm down.

As for liking the Trump comment and getting mad at the Hillary one, the only reason I called you out was because you called somebody crazy without bothering to explain why. Is it really too much to ask you to explain why AFBrat77 is so crazy for liking Hillary? If you're not going to explain why, all you are doing is engaging in pointless antagonism.

For starters, FDR attempted to pack the Supreme Court because they often declared his policies/programs unconstitutional. Also, there's this minor issue (sarcasm) of his illegal internment of more than 100,000 Japanese people.

No, you don't need perspective because you don't agree with me. You need perspective because your standards are probably unrealistically high if you think that we've only had one good President. But out of curiosity, who is this one good President? FDR?

@TheWalkingGhost: Wait, what? Are you talking about my interpretation of it? Westboro Baptist Church?

@battlestreak: No, his not yours. He interpreted it in a way to justify his actipns.

@TheWalkingGhost said:

You would have to be crazy to think either of them would be good.

While both of them will probably be bad. Letting Hillary ruin Syria is a far lesser evil than letting Trump ruin the US and the rest of the world too.

It is about putting things in context. Democracy and Republics are pretty weak too. But they are still far superior to any other system we have tried.

Likewise, while Hillary will probably mess up a lot, good things could come from a Hillary Clinton administration. With Trump, I see little positive coming out of it.

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On the topic of ad hominems. While GreySeal9 may have made ad hominem attacks, he did not commit ad hominem fallacies. You on the other hand did. That is why he is responding to you. You called someone crazy, without actually getting into his actual argument at all.

@FireEmblem_Man: the gop is going to ass rape him at the convention like he a pretty boy at rikers island......yea trump is the solution we need....

a guy who cant go one day without looking like a clown.....

yea we want to be the boozo of the western world.

I think to be honest here he really just want to run and loose and than blame everyone because in the end he can do endless tv shows.

really would you want to be president? really.....good chance of world downturn and us recession....lots of toxic subjects and china acting up in asia.....risk of peacekeeping mission in turkey ....but not a real winner war where you can look good but lots of dirty conflicts with lots of phone calls to make and get blasted as weak by the GOP gang of 3 discontents ......who lost there own election bids.....oh I so want to sit in that chair.....and hear the banks melted down again and need another bailout.

I bet you just be so popular with the American people then.....

trump just wants to look like he running but I bet on a dive in this fight....why else would he act the way he do....this is the one time running and not winning might be a great winning play.

I don't think it will happen...I don't think he cares...

if he had cleaned up his act a mouth ago sure he could beat her......but he pure toxic to the GOP......he Jackson toxic.....and they know it....he split them in two just like Jackson did...he pure political posion and the dems know it.......as neo consertive as mrs pants suit is the gop would rather another bush like figure than trump.....he do massive damage to lean GOP seats.....he make the tea party great again.....even MOAR green eggs and ham for everyone......

there are fools that are just mad that vote for this clown because he right on a few things and no one willing to say that...but the way he go about it is just silly....he cant be trusted either...to do the right thing....you might not agree with Obama but you know he doing what he thinks is right and thinking for a very long time.....he also try to see everyone point and he wants to get along with everyone for the good of the nation.

trump could give a rats ass about anything.....it all stunts with him...like he on a tv show.....he wing everything.....no one trusts that....a man who can flip flop and then re flip flop and say I just change my mind and then claim he did not......the guy is a circus clown .....and that ok because he rich....when your rich you can have bad hair.....

trumps son an even bigger fool because he be the ass in the end......total toxic after....no one will listen to him ever.....trump might get a few fools to watch him but the son of a man like that will get nothing.....they blame him for trumps hissy fits and any seats lost because his dad could not act like a president to be.......

no matter what happens it a bad day for America......be it the pants suit or the bad rug we all loose and loose big......either way.....unless the GOP can pull a big ass rabbit out there ass we fuked good.......

I doubt the GOP can get anyone decent to risk it......other than clowns like ryan in ted.....

as bad as this sounds even another bush would been better then these two choices.....

I think the democrats should picked jerry.....he would been a great choice...I like sanders but sometimes he gets way too out there on guns and climate....he should stayed Vermont like and keep his yap shut.....no one going to vote for hardliners....if he just stayed with the economy he would been golden.....medicare for all ,,plus mental and govt funded collage big infrastructure projects more like FDR he would been great.....bet he getting to Johnson like and that don't bode well with the freedoms of America........

what we need is another Jefferson like candidate....build America....that's why I thought jerry was a good balance..

trump just a old wig

@FireEmblem_Man: I am a social democrat and i am not a bleeding gun grabbing lib.....I belive in freedom 100%

so that means freedom for ALL and not some bunch of Christian right wing zelots.....I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home.....or if you marry who ever,,,it no skin off my nose....I stand for equal rights infact I think women should earn it and serve in combat......I don't discrimate anyone....I trash you all the same if your a bad stearotype......hipsters most of all.....to me America is about choice and freedom....you cant say we free and then deny some tranny from a bathroom.....or some gay's from there party at your bar....I think freedom is for everyone as long as you don't yell fire in a theather......I firm on guns ....I think you go down the ban road it will never end......I think we need to spend money on the people and not corp aid or silly cold war weapons for a war we never fight.......I also think we should not stand idle as scumbags sell drugs and arms and commint unspeakable acts but I also think we should not try to force our set of morals on other nations......we should act like Irishman and not try to tell everyone we are better ot they should not do that.....this is why no one bothers the irish when they travel......

but the sad part is those who claim to be conseritive are really not......they also don't surport liberty......they use it as they use the flag....ready to go to war but putting no skin in the game.

i don't suport the death penaty because it too flawed too easy to make a mistake EXCEPT for treason by military inserection....there no IF in that.....

there is no way to know allways if a man commited murder for certin and our laws say we need not be certin......but in the case you want to commit a coup there no way you be innocent in that....it a either or kinda thing so it simple really....for me the risk of a innocent man is too great and we know how flawed the system is......you need not be certin......to convict anyone.....that is the law....you need only prove beyond a reasonable doubt there was malice.....so for me life in prison is fine for murder rape kidnapping for ranson WITH NO PAROLE EVER.

I hate waste so I all for evenviroment laws that make sence...protect our country like teddy did..even slimy nixion did that....I for what Jefferson stood for and FDR and johnson and I respect the mans legacy even if he was a bastard racist.....he did more for the poor blacks of this country then kenndy ever did and the poor.

I am downsizing the military and putting for spec ops guys in.....small mobile forces to meet the needs of the 21 century....rumsfield did a great job of that......even if he was dead wrong on how to do Iraq.

not all democrats are bleeding heat libs who want to ban sodas and grab your guns.....some look at the great repubicans of the past and wonder why they stray so far......even micheal moore said it best.....I am old school republican.....I belive in the people.

for some democrats it an armband fashion cause ...whats hip whats in....looking busy....like the sit in the ban on the terror watch list gun ban.....a total pr stunt that EVEN THE UCLU DONT SURPORT...the list is way to flawed and there doing it as a gun grab stunt.

I think this is America where freedom is important and so is choice.....and it about the people and not some rand silly ideal of something made up.

I think it important we protect the rights of all our citizens and punish those in a fair way that deserve such without becoming a police state.....I think it important we be watching of those who want to impose there ideals on others and change our goverment into a nanny state or police state.

not every democrat wants to take away your rights and don't respect freedom......infact there just about as many repubicans that would love to do EXACTLY that.

A new poll shows Trump down by 12%. Ouch.

#inthebag

And yet another new poll shows Clinton leading by 5 points (and essentially tied after including third party candidates).

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-weathers-stormy-month-loses-only-2-points-versus-hillary-clinton-1466946000

I'm a fan of polls (properly done polls can be very accurate), but I'm less of a fan of polls associated with a single outlet. They tend to be off more often. If these polls were in the same ballpark that would be one thing, but given their discrepancy I'd wait for a Gallup-type poll before thinking we're getting a clear picture.

I don't think the result is going to be in any way in alignment with this poll; I'm almost positive Trump will lose by less than 12 points. What's significant is not the top line number but the movement. The aggregated margin is 7% in Clinton's favor. That is a pretty clear picture.

And even though Trump is not going to lose by 12 points, the fact that there are any polls showing him losing by double digits should ring alarm bells for him. Even a loss by a margin of 4% in the popular vote could result in an EC landslide in Clinton's favor.

A RedState Sunday polling report.

From the report:

And that's the poll update for Sunday, June 26. Hillary still has the lead over Trump, and even with Gary Johnson in the mix she stays ahead. The daily tracking shows Hillary still very much ahead and gaining. As noted above, Trump has proven uniquely capable of squandering bad Democrat news into bad Republican polling. That's the result of his mouth continuing to open and words continuing to come out of it. No matter the damage control or backtracking by those managing, handling, or apologizing for him, people just don't like him. They don't like Hillary either, but they don't like Trump even more.

lol at the bolded bit.

If Brexit is any indication, then a Trump presidency would wreck the US economy and divide the nation, just like what Brexit is doing to the UK. Don't be surprised if a Trump presidency leads to the US economy tanking, different states turning on each other, individual states demanding independence, and the young and old turning on each other. Be warned, Yanks.

Nobody wants to speak at the Republican convention. lol. Dat party unity.

Funny quote by someone on RedState, a far right site:

Fortunately, Trump's campaign is doing a wonderful job of drawing them into the light, once and for all. Trump is so unbelievably bad, so utterly indefensible, that anyone who tries to pretend he is in any way helpful to our cause is forever tarred by his brush.

The Scarlet T will be a very real thing, when this is over.

@GreySeal9: Oh, that is hilarious. I wonder by how big of a margin Trump will lose the electoral college if this keeps up.

Yup, that is what I was thinking as well.

Isolationism, especially to the point where he is pushing it is a no-go in today's globalized market.

There's a possibility of Trump winning the election if Americans make the same mistakes as Brits and start becoming complacent. In the Brexit referendum, Remain was leading by 4% in the polls, yet the final referendum results turned out with Leave leading by 4%. That's an 8% difference from the polls. Because Remain was leading in the polls, many Remainers became complacent and didn't turnout to vote (and are now regretting it), while at the same time motivating Leavers to turnout in larger numbers. In order to prevent something like that happening in the US elections, Americans would actually need to turnout to vote against Trump in large numbers, regardless of what the polls say. Americans would need to stop underestimating the potential threat of Trump, even if he is a joke (many Brits made the mistake of dismissing Boris and Farage as jokes). The demagoguery of far-right nationalism is no longer a joke, but is becoming a real threat.