Why we shouldn't go green.

I wrote this. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Global warming is a HUGE money maker. The go green stuff is posted on many products now making it seem as if they PROFIT from all the stuff. Companies like GE produce billions in products for the government. We need to stop looking at global warming as a problem but as a lie intended for money making. Al Gore still drives around in gas guzzlers and flies in private jets to these speeches. Many of the global warming scientists say the same thing. Research and statistics, but where's the proof. There is no way to determine how thin the ozone is and one quick change can send the society into fear. It's not warm outside. Why is this go green stuff being shoved down our throats? Why do the teachers spend so much time trying to convince us when our own parents don't make such a big deal out of it? There is no proof. You can say that there have been studies right? Show me then. I've had many debates with my classmates in many different schools and they all say studies. The reason is that they are in a sense brainwashing children into political agendas. More people believe in God than in man made global warming now. So we need to separate church and state. I googled how many people believe in global warming in the US and I came up with many different numbers. 60%, 85%, 90%, and even 10%. All around the same date. We will never run out of oil either. We may go for a period with undiscovered oil but we will never run out. You may say it takes millions of years for oil to form but what about unfinished oil? Plants and animals didn't just stop being born. Oil will be finished and because of the growing population we have nothing to worry about. Solar panels take oil to make and are very expensive. It takes years for them to pay for themselves and they break very easily. And they cannot be used all day. Less than 2/3 of the day they will be taking stuff in. Not to mention the fact it uses chemicals to produce that are not as easily found as oil. The installed cost of solar panels runs between $7 to $9 per watt, so a 5 kW system would cost on the order of $35,000-$45,000 and an 8 kW system would be anywhere from $56,000 to $72,000. The average US house costs $80,000 so the price to install solar panels that do not even power the whole house costs a little bit less than a house. Plus we would still need gas to run the rest of the house. There are around 90,000,000 houses in the US. So given that not all those are lived in it would cost 3,150,000,000,000. Over

3 quadrillion dollars. And that's the smallest amount of solar panels on a house. Biggest would be 6,480,000,000,000,000. Almost 7 quadrillion dollars. And that doesn't power the whole house, not to mention that's just the houses in America. Not to mention skyscrapers and apartments. Just think about China and Russia. Not to mention that we WOULD run out of oil if we made the world solar powered. Wind turbines and other energy efficient products take lots of oil to make. Not to mention they take a lot of land as well. Plus if the oil industry went out of business because of green jobs we would lose around 16% of our economy. The earth rotates around the sun. The sun is a big ball of gas. Of course it won't stay the same. Hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost without oil. And in this economy we need oil.

Awww, I wasn't going green and I was sort of hoping for global warming. I would like to think that shortly after I die the world burns, that way I know i'm not missing anything.

Couple decent points and no oil may not really every get completely used up but we are fast approaching a point where we'll no longer be able to derive it from the Earth... At least without causing irreparable damage to the ecosystem of whatever area the oil is in. Global Warming, whether or not its man made, is a very serious problem that sooner or later everyone is going to have to face. In 30 to 40 years we'll know for sure at least who's right. The scientists or the politicians.

.Razor-Lazor

yeah kind of.

Only skimmed through that...but it still stands as one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this site. :| Darth-Caedus

Why?

I wrote this. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Global warming lies are a HUGE money maker. The go green stuff is posted on many products now making it seem as if they PROFIT from all the stuff. Companies like GE produce billions in products for the government. We need to stop looking at global warming as a problem but as a lie intended for money making. Al Gore still drives around in gas guzzlers and flies in private jets to these speeches. Many of the global warming scientists say the same thing. Research and statistics, but where's the proof. There is no way to determine how thin the ozone is and one quick change can send the society into fear. It's not warm outside. Why is this go green stuff being shoved down our throats? Why do the teachers spend so much time trying to convince us when our own parents don't make such a big deal out of it? There is no proof. You can say that there have been studies right? Show me then. I've had many debates with my classmates in many different schools and they all say studies. The reason is that they are in a sense brainwashing children into political agendas. More people believe in God than in man made global warming now. So we need to separate church and state. I googled how many people believe in global warming in the US and I came up with many different numbers. 60%, 85%, 90%, and even 10%. All around the same date. We will never run out of oil either. We may go for a period with undiscovered oil but we will never run out. You may say it takes millions of years for oil to form but what about unfinished oil? Plants and animals didn't just stop being born. Oil will be finished and because of the growing population we have nothing to worry about. Solar panels take oil to make and are very expensive. It takes years for them to pay for themselves and they break very easily. And they cannot be used all day. Less than 2/3 of the day they will be taking stuff in. Not to mention the fact it uses chemicals to produce that are not as easily found as oil. The installed cost of solar panels runs between $7 to $9 per watt, so a 5 kW system would cost on the order of $35,000-$45,000 and an 8 kW system would be anywhere from $56,000 to $72,000. The average US house costs $80,000 so the price to install solar panels that do not even power the whole house costs a little bit less than a house. Plus we would still need gas to run the rest of the house. There are around 90,000,000 houses in the houses. So given that not all those are lived in it would cost 3,150,000,000,000. Over

3 quadrillion dollars. And that's the smallest amount of solar panels on a house. Biggest would be 6,480,000,000,000,000. Almost 7 quadrillion dollars. And that doesn't power the whole house, not to mention that's just the houses in America. Not to mention skyscrapers and apartments. Just think about china and Russia. Not to mention that we WOULD run out of oil if we made the world solar powered.

dunl12496

youre talking about solar energy only and are not considering water and the various other fuels that do not hurt the environment.

I wrote this. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Global warming lies are a HUGE money maker. The go green stuff is posted on many products now making it seem as if they PROFIT from all the stuff. Companies like GE produce billions in products for the government. We need to stop looking at global warming as a problem but as a lie intended for money making. Al Gore still drives around in gas guzzlers and flies in private jets to these speeches. Many of the global warming scientists say the same thing. Research and statistics, but where's the proof. There is no way to determine how thin the ozone is and one quick change can send the society into fear. It's not warm outside. Why is this go green stuff being shoved down our throats? Why do the teachers spend so much time trying to convince us when our own parents don't make such a big deal out of it? There is no proof. You can say that there have been studies right? Show me then. I've had many debates with my classmates in many different schools and they all say studies. The reason is that they are in a sense brainwashing children into political agendas. More people believe in God than in man made global warming now. So we need to separate church and state. I googled how many people believe in global warming in the US and I came up with many different numbers. 60%, 85%, 90%, and even 10%. All around the same date. We will never run out of oil either. We may go for a period with undiscovered oil but we will never run out. You may say it takes millions of years for oil to form but what about unfinished oil? Plants and animals didn't just stop being born. Oil will be finished and because of the growing population we have nothing to worry about. Solar panels take oil to make and are very expensive. It takes years for them to pay for themselves and they break very easily. And they cannot be used all day. Less than 2/3 of the day they will be taking stuff in. Not to mention the fact it uses chemicals to produce that are not as easily found as oil. The installed cost of solar panels runs between $7 to $9 per watt, so a 5 kW system would cost on the order of $35,000-$45,000 and an 8 kW system would be anywhere from $56,000 to $72,000. The average US house costs $80,000 so the price to install solar panels that do not even power the whole house costs a little bit less than a house. Plus we would still need gas to run the rest of the house. There are around 90,000,000 houses in the houses. So given that not all those are lived in it would cost 3,150,000,000,000. Over

3 quadrillion dollars. And that's the smallest amount of solar panels on a house. Biggest would be 6,480,000,000,000,000. Almost 7 quadrillion dollars. And that doesn't power the whole house, not to mention that's just the houses in America. Not to mention skyscrapers and apartments. Just think about china and Russia. Not to mention that we WOULD run out of oil if we made the world solar powered.

dunl12496

Global warming certainly IS being abused by the government, but that doesn't mean we should stop protecting Earth =/

All I know is in the next 20 years, we need to start making the change to hydrogen fuel cells formost cars. We can still have petrol cars, but the majority should have hydrogen fuell cell cars. It's the safest, most efficient way IMO.

All I know is in the next 20 years, we need to start making the change to hydrogen fuel cells formost cars. We can still have petrol cars, but the majority should have hydrogen fuell cell cars. It's the safest, most efficient way IMO.

taj7575

If we ever reach that kind of technology in 20 years.

BumFluff122

I agree...There are much, much more efficient ways of producing electricity. Hydroelectricity, natural gas, wind energy, etc... Are much more efficient than people think they are.

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

All I know is in the next 20 years, we need to start making the change to hydrogen fuel cells formost cars. We can still have petrol cars, but the majority should have hydrogen fuell cell cars. It's the safest, most efficient way IMO.

Nintendevil

If we ever reach that kind of technology in 20 years.

There are already concept Hydrogen fuel cell cars out there..The problem now is how to mass produce the cars, and how to lower prices.

All I know is in the next 20 years, we need to start making the change to hydrogen fuel cells formost cars. We can still have petrol cars, but the majority should have hydrogen fuell cell cars. It's the safest, most efficient way IMO.

taj7575

I would post the Facepalm image, but I don't feel like getting moderated. Yes, there are many companies making a profit off of it, but that still doesn't mean it's right to pollute and just not give a crap about the Earth. :?

EPIC argument: "it's not warm outside"

[QUOTE="Nintendevil"]

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

All I know is in the next 20 years, we need to start making the change to hydrogen fuel cells formost cars. We can still have petrol cars, but the majority should have hydrogen fuell cell cars. It's the safest, most efficient way IMO.

taj7575

If we ever reach that kind of technology in 20 years.

There are already concept Hydrogen fuel cell cars out there..The problem now is how to mass produce the cars, and how to lower prices.

As someone who is currently working on a PhD in Biology I have had many opportunities to read and study the literature surrounding this issue. Now I don't believe that raping the environment or carelessly wasting resources are good ideas, but I do feel as though the term global warming and the threats its possesses are meant more to scare people, rather than cause them to act. What many people don't understand is that through most of the Earth's history, ice caps were non-existant and thus they may be melting now, not because of greenhouse gases, but because of a natural warming trend. I personally don't think that the increase of atmospheric CO2 levels (equal to 60 parts-per-million) is significant enough to make the climate changes people worry about. I think deforestation and the Urban Island Heat Effect are more to blame. Forests, jungles, and other wooded habitats are much cooler than urban areas where concrete holds heat. The temperature changes in a big city over the last 100 years may be huge, while surrounding rural areas feature little-to-no change (some areas have actually gotten colder). As for the issue of 'going green', any project that promotes less waste, less pollution, and less environmental damage is a wonderful thing, but we should weigh the costs against the benefits and realize that this technology needs to be implemented in developing nations as well so they can bypass the same wasteful attitude prevelant over the last few decades in Western societies. Personally I think people should be more involved in helping the environment, but driving a Prius or buying green cleaning products is just a start.

[QUOTE="Nintendevil"]

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

All I know is in the next 20 years, we need to start making the change to hydrogen fuel cells formost cars. We can still have petrol cars, but the majority should have hydrogen fuell cell cars. It's the safest, most efficient way IMO.

taj7575

If we ever reach that kind of technology in 20 years.

There are already concept Hydrogen fuel cell cars out there..The problem now is how to mass produce the cars, and how to lower prices.

I'm quite sure we're a long ways away from perfecting it. A lot of scientists also don't see it happening. I guess only time can tell. Don't get me wrong, I think we should be changing too, but it's easier said than done.

Really though, we should be drilling our own oil, investing in more fuels, and drawing from nuclear energy if we wan't to be in the economic position we were in before. We would create more jobs and be less dependent on foreign oil.

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="Nintendevil"]

If we ever reach that kind of technology in 20 years.

BumFluff122

There are already concept Hydrogen fuel cell cars out there..The problem now is how to mass produce the cars, and how to lower prices.

And it's less ugly than a smart car! I want one of those, but I'll wait for one of Volkswagen group to make one. Oh, and get a license.

There is no way to determine how thin the ozone is and one quick change can send the society into fear. dunl12496

Yes there is. Ozone is a chemical, chemicals can be measured. Take several measurements and calculate density. Or, since ozone blocks radiation, just measure the radiation reaching the Earth.

It's not warm outside. dunl12496

Global warming says the Earth is getting warmer on average, not that it is going to be scorching deserts everywhere. The change would only be a few degrees, not very noticable in terms of comfort, but life operates within a specific temperature, a few degrees colder/warmer can mean the difference between life and death.

We will never run out of oil either. We may go for a period with undiscovered oil but we will never run out. You may say it takes millions of years for oil to form but what about unfinished oil? Plants and animals didn't just stop being born.

dunl12496

If we use up oil faster than it's made then yes, we will run out of oil. Or at least the necessary amount to run our world. Only a small fraction of plants/animals become oil, and we're burning through a lot of years of history right now.

The following happened during the summer in June or July.

Two days before the US Democrat controlled House or Senate(can't remember which) voted on the "Cap and Trade" bill, a scientist for the EPA hadcompiled all of the statistics comparing global temperatures and global CO2 levels that he thought were "legitamite". He discovered that according to these statistics there isNO DIRECT relationship between global temps and CO2 in the atmosphere. However, before he could release his report, the government put a block on him; threatening legal action against him if he released that report before the "Cap and Trade" vote. What was on the report was not initially made public, but the fact that the government was blocking an EPA report directly related to what was about to be voted on was. Sadly, only one man reported it: Glenn Beck. Whether you like him or not you have to admit he has the guts to report things no one else will. After the "Cap and Trade" bill was voted on(it passed but has not been signed into law) the EPA scientist came on Glenn Beck's show on FOX and explained what he had discovered and what the government had said to him.

I think that's a pretty big indicator that most of this global warming/climate change stuff is BS. If anyone has any questions PM me. Also, I'll try to find the video of the scientist on TV and post a link here.

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

All I know is in the next 20 years, we need to start making the change to hydrogen fuel cells formost cars. We can still have petrol cars, but the majority should have hydrogen fuell cell cars. It's the safest, most efficient way IMO.

BumFluff122

Either way, if it is a full electric or a car that runs on fuel cells, I'll be happy. And most countries are switching to electric because it is the most efficient to use at the moment. Although there are fuel cell cars out there, we are still pretty far away from making them cheap and mass produced.

It is good that we are at least going back to full electric cars (not hybrids...those things are not that great). And yeah, they are making electric cars that reach normal speeds. There is even a sports electric car out there, the Telsa Roadster.

While I do agree that global warming is used politically, and has huge economical gains for some, I would be very careful to dismiss it all together.

Besides, this is an opputunity to get rid of alot of the oil usage which is pretty much a good thing nomatter how you look at it. New things are always invented in a crisis, manmade or not.

I kind of hope that hydrogen and more natural powered things comes around, less strain on nature is always a good thing. And I really REALLY doubt there will be enough oil to power the whole freakin world for much more then 100 years or so. If I remember correctly the speed in which oil gets used has risen exponentially over the last 10 years, to unreal hights...

Wealso Ironicly tryied to calculate how much space it would take to grow plant oil that could be used for fuel in chemistry back at collage... well... Ill give you a hint, If we were to grow oil not allready in deposits, you can kiss any forrest and countryside goodbye. the squere miles per drum (and one field can be harvested once or twice per year) is unbelivable.... it is not palusible...

So while I think Global warming is blown so much out of proportions, it still have some positive side effects, apart from the doomsayers -.-

What many people don't understand is that through most of the Earth's history, ice caps were non-existant and thus they may be melting now, not because of greenhouse gases, but because of a natural warming trend.

Senor_T_Dub

As for the issue of 'going green', any project that promotes less waste, less pollution, and less environmental damage is a wonderful thing, but we should weigh the costs against the benefits and realize that this technology needs to be implemented in developing nations as well so they can bypass the same wasteful attitude prevelant over the last few decades in Western societies.

Senor_T_Dub

I think I'm in love.

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="Nintendevil"]

If we ever reach that kind of technology in 20 years.

BumFluff122

There are already concept Hydrogen fuel cell cars out there..The problem now is how to mass produce the cars, and how to lower prices.

How much is it?

The following happened during the summer in June or July.

Two days before the US Democrat controlled House or Senate(can't remember which) voted on the "Cap and Trade" bill, a scientist for the EPA hadcompiled all of the statistics comparing global temperatures and global CO2 levels that he thought were "legitamite". He discovered that according to these statistics there isNO DIRECT relationship between global temps and CO2 in the atmosphere. However, before he could release his report, the government put a block on him; threatening legal action against him if he released that report before the "Cap and Trade" vote. What was on the report was not initially made public, but the fact that the government was blocking an EPA report directly related to what was about to be voted on was. Sadly, only one man reported it: Glenn Beck. Whether you like him or not you have to admit he has the guts to report things no one else will. After the "Cap and Trade" bill was voted on(it passed but has not been signed into law) the EPA scientist came on Glenn Beck's show on FOX and explained what he had discovered and what the government had said to him.

I think that's a pretty big indicator that most of this global warming/climate change stuff is BS. If anyone has any questions PM me. Also, I'll try to find the video of the scientist on TV and post a link here.

K_56

Glenn Beck is not a source. Not a good one anyways.

As someone who is currently working on a PhD in Biology I have had many opportunities to read and study the literature surrounding this issue. Now I don't believe that raping the environment or carelessly wasting resources are good ideas, but I do feel as though the term global warming and the threats its possesses are meant more to scare people, rather than cause them to act. What many people don't understand is that through most of the Earth's history, ice caps were non-existant and thus they may be melting now, not because of greenhouse gases, but because of a natural warming trend. I personally don't think that the increase of atmospheric CO2 levels (equal to 60 parts-per-million) is significant enough to make the climate changes people worry about. I think deforestation and the Urban Island Heat Effect are more to blame. Forests, jungles, and other wooded habitats are much cooler than urban areas where concrete holds heat. The temperature changes in a big city over the last 100 years may be huge, while surrounding rural areas feature little-to-no change (some areas have actually gotten colder). As for the issue of 'going green', any project that promotes less waste, less pollution, and less environmental damage is a wonderful thing, but we should weigh the costs against the benefits and realize that this technology needs to be implemented in developing nations as well so they can bypass the same wasteful attitude prevelant over the last few decades in Western societies. Personally I think people should be more involved in helping the environment, but driving a Prius or buying green cleaning products is just a start.

Senor_T_Dub

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

There are already concept Hydrogen fuel cell cars out there..The problem now is how to mass produce the cars, and how to lower prices.

dunl12496

How much is it?

The following happened during the summer in June or July.

Two days before the US Democrat controlled House or Senate(can't remember which) voted on the "Cap and Trade" bill, a scientist for the EPA hadcompiled all of the statistics comparing global temperatures and global CO2 levels that he thought were "legitamite". He discovered that according to these statistics there isNO DIRECT relationship between global temps and CO2 in the atmosphere. However, before he could release his report, the government put a block on him; threatening legal action against him if he released that report before the "Cap and Trade" vote. What was on the report was not initially made public, but the fact that the government was blocking an EPA report directly related to what was about to be voted on was. Sadly, only one man reported it: Glenn Beck. Whether you like him or not you have to admit he has the guts to report things no one else will. After the "Cap and Trade" bill was voted on(it passed but has not been signed into law) the EPA scientist came on Glenn Beck's show on FOX and explained what he had discovered and what the government had said to him.

I think that's a pretty big indicator that most of this global warming/climate change stuff is BS. If anyone has any questions PM me. Also, I'll try to find the video of the scientist on TV and post a link here.

K_56

Yep. Finally someone with an anime sig who doesn't believe in this stuff!

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Say hello to the Nissan Leaf, the first fully electric non-hybrid zero-emission road worthy electric car.

BumFluff122

How much is it?

That's a really good price.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

How much is it?

Phoenix534

That's a really good price.

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Say hello to the Nissan Leaf, the first fully electric non-hybrid zero-emission road worthy electric car.

BumFluff122

How much is it?

Yeah right. They didn't have the price on the website.

They didn't have the price on the website so yeah right. About $40,000 actually wow pretty cheap. But not efficient. You have to go home to charge it.

It's not warm outside.dunl12496

Well, gee, I dunno, maybe because it's WINTER, it kinda gets COLD in the winter.

I really hope you're not in college.

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]It's not warm outside.ZookGuy

Well, gee, I dunno, maybe because it's WINTER, it kinda gets COLD in the winter.

But it hasn't gotten any warmer has it?

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="Nintendevil"]

If we ever reach that kind of technology in 20 years.

Nintendevil

There are already concept Hydrogen fuel cell cars out there..The problem now is how to mass produce the cars, and how to lower prices.

I'm quite sure we're a long ways away from perfecting it. A lot of scientists also don't see it happening. I guess only time can tell. Don't get me wrong, I think we should be changing too, but it's easier said than done.

Really though, we should be drilling our own oil, investing in more fuels, and drawing from nuclear energy if we wan't to be in the economic position we were in before. We would create more jobs and be less dependent on foreign oil.

Nintendevil, I recommend you watch this video

Although it is odd I linked top gear, James May has had the best Honda Clarity review I've watched so far. He really explais why it is the car of the future.

[QUOTE="ZookGuy"]

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]It's not warm outside.dunl12496

Well, gee, I dunno, maybe because it's WINTER, it kinda gets COLD in the winter.

But it hasn't gotten any warmer has it?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

How much is it?

Yeah right. They didn't have the price on the website.

dunl12496

They didn't have the price on the website so yeah right. About $40,000 actually wow pretty cheap. But not efficient. You have to go home to charge it.

[QUOTE="ZookGuy"]

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]It's not warm outside.dunl12496

Well, gee, I dunno, maybe because it's WINTER, it kinda gets COLD in the winter.

But it hasn't gotten any warmer has it?

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]I think it's about 25,000. About the same as any other car.

BumFluff122

That's a really good price.

That's awesome. Of course, there would be a down side. Your electric bill would skyrocket.

Not only are your claims global warming being a hoax totally unfounded and baseless, your statements about it costing us money is patently false. Oil prices are high now and will continue to rise as the supply is depleted, we spend an enourmous amount of money on oil now as it is, and we import our oil from unstable regions of the world. One intelligence advisor called oil the greatest national security threat we face. Switching to alternative froms of fuel and energy would save money in the long term, not to mention put millions of Americans to work building materials and infastructure for a clean energy grid.

It's pretty funny that going green often isn't. People tend to think that if they are no longer using something it just disappears. For example trading in your SUV for a "green" car. Basically you're SUV isn't going to disappear. They're going to sell it to somebody else it's still going to guzzle gas, and pollute the environment, and that green car you just bought... where do you think it came from, how long do you think it'll last? Basically you're using a little less gas, and using up a ton more energy, and resources.

Oil isn't going to be a major fuel much longer. According to oil companies they have enough to last 100 years, which is true, but also a bit of BS. See when you drill for oil it's not like you have a perfect container just filled w/ oil. As you get down to the bottom it cost more to retrieve less, and I also believe it costs more to refine that oil also. Not to mention oil companies are publicly traded so their numbers are slightly exaggerated. In the next 20 year the price of oil is going to be too expensive for it to be practical.

As far as solar energies go it's a joke since they use rare earth metals and can never work on a large scale. Nuclear isn't a bad source of energy, but it's more expansive than oil if handled correctly. Most nuclear powerplants can't dispose of nuclear waste in a cost efficient manner hence why so many take short cuts, and why it has a bad name. Wind energy is a big gamble. Those turbines take a lot of energy to build, and it's not recovered for several years after they've been put up. I don't know about their maintenance either, but I'm guessing there's a good chance many will use more energy than they save. Thermal sounds like a great source, but it's not practical everywhere, and it's not permanent like many people think. I don't really no much about using ocean currents, and tides for energy, but it seems like a good option for those in seaside areas, but you also have to consider how much it cost to replace those in disasters, and how they can harm the environment.

Basically my point I'm trying to get across is that people fail to see the big picture they can only see things on a small scale. Buying more crap isn't going to help the environment, and people need to make better use of the resources that they have.

How did Jon Stewart put it?

"So, on the one hand, 90-95% of the scientific community agrees that global warming is a reality, and that it's a problem. On the other hand... scientists are paid. And it's cold in the winter."

Is that about right? That might be two different quotes.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

That's a really good price.

Phoenix534

That's awesome. Of course, there would be a down side. Your electric bill would skyrocket.

[QUOTE="ZookGuy"]

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]It's not warm outside.dunl12496

Well, gee, I dunno, maybe because it's WINTER, it kinda gets COLD in the winter.

But it hasn't gotten any warmer has it?

That's awesome. Of course, there would be a down side. Your electric bill would skyrocket.

Phoenix534