Why women should feel good naked?

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#1 Citrus25
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/01/23/o.nude.attitude/index.html

You heard that ladies? take them off. :P

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#2 Sajedene
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I already do -- but I feel sexier in lingerie and the fact that someone wants to take it off. So what now?
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I already do -- but I feel sexier in lingerie and the fact that someone wants to take it off. So what now?Sajedene

:shock:

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#4 links136
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I already do -- but I feel sexier in lingerie and the fact that someone wants to take it off. So what now?Sajedene

quit being so selfish:x

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#5 Sajedene
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pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.
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#6 Citrus25
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So what now?Sajedene
Post some pics.........J/K
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#7 links136
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pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.Sajedene

thats because women let it get to them. If you call a guy a **** machine he'd say "why thank you". It loses all meaning if it doesn't negativly affect the person.

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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.links136

thats because women let it get to them. If you call a guy a **** machine he'd say "why thank you". It loses all meaning if it doesn't negativly affect the person.

Eh, I'd be kind of offended by it as a guy. Despite my liberal political views I'm very conservative when it comes to my sexuality and sharing it with my partners. There's nothing wrong with looking sexy but there are far classier ways to do it than the way I see most men and women going about it.
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*agrees with sajedene because my girlfriend looks HOT in lingerie*
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]So what now?Citrus25
Post some pics.........J/K

She has lots of pics of her in lingerie on her profile, but that's why it's set to private. ;)
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.links136

thats because women let it get to them. If you call a guy a **** machine he'd say "why thank you". It loses all meaning if it doesn't negativly affect the person.

How often does someone go up to a man and give them cat calls? Have you ever experienced it? Why should I be okay if someone says nice rack or nice legs --- and I take the high road and say thank you (when they could have complimented me in a nicer, mature way) only for it to be followed by whatever it is they want to do to me right then and there. Its offensive and vulgar. Why should I be okay with that? And then suddenly it becomes my fault for wearing something that makes me feel good and sexy? Not even slutty -- good and sexy. It's not right.
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*once again agrees*
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I agree. When I walk around naked, people can't take their eyes off me. 8)
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pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.Sajedene
My friend who's a little "flirty" has a Tee shirt that reads. "I thought I was a slut. -Turns out I was just acting like a man" :) Naked is ok, but sometimes wearing something sexy is better. It's kind of like giftwrapping a present :) The fun part is do you rip off the wrapping paper or remove it ever so slowly :) That's what Jaggie wants to know :)
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[QUOTE="Citrus25"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]So what now?Bloodbath_87
Post some pics.........J/K

She has lots of pics of her in lingerie on her profile, but that's why it's set to private. ;)

You actually clicked on it? wow......
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pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.Sajedene

In some ways I find a sort of reverse thing going on. Where even pretty gross girls can easily get attention by "flaunting it" simply because they are girls.

It all goes back to the concept of how sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive. More energy goes into making eggs than sperm, and women produce fewer eggs than men produce sperm. This has the consequence that across the animal kingdom, it is usually the males that have to compete for females, not the other way artound. This happens even in species in which the females are BIGGER than the males and could pretty much just kick every male's ass and take whichever male they want. But even though a female toad can kick 100 male toad's asses, she STILL doesn't actively try to attract the male toads. It's the male toads who have to do the work attracting the females, because sperm is cheap and eggs are expenses. A male toad can continually get turned down, but the loser will ALWAYS settle for what he can get. Meanwhile the less-than-ideal female toad is still probably going to mate, because there'll be at least a few male toads who settle for the bad female toads because they can't get the good female toads. The female toad, even if she sucks as a toad, really doesn't have to do ANYTHING. All she has to do is wait, and she's gonna get some action from the loser male toads. But the loser male toad doesn't have that luxury. Female toads, even if they are nasty female toads, are NOT gonna go seeking him out. Because eggs are expensive and the female loser toad's eggs are more valuable than the male loser toad's sperm. Even if the female toad is a loser, she's STILL gonna get the loser male toads actively going after her simply because they are losers.

It's the same way with people. Take a crowded beach. Say that there are a thousand people sitting on that beach sunbathing, and that EXACTLY half of then are men and half of them are women. The good looking men and women can strip down as much as possible before being being classified as being nude, and both the man and woman will have people of the opposite sex lusting after them. Because they are desirable (at least physically) members of that sex.

Everythings fine for attractive people. If you're a good looking man OR a good looking woman, then nudity isn't a problem since you are attractive.

The difference arises when we're talking about the ugly and desperate people. Suppose that half of the women and half of the men on the beach are ugly. If we consider only the ugly people, we're now talking about 500 people (250 of each sex). Now suppose that an ugly man gets almost nude and struts in front of the beach for all to see. How many women do you think will be lusting after him? Ten? Five?

Now suppose that an equally ugly woman gets practically nude and struts across the beach. I GUARANTEE that there will be SIGNIFICANTLY more men lusting after her than there were women lusting after the ugly dude, even if the ugly/pretty distribution is EXACTLY the same across both sexes.

Search your feelings, you know this to be true. Women do not need to be as attractive as men because women do not need to be as competetive or active in seeking out a potential mate. This is why "ladies nights" are profitable at bars, and why no one hosts a "men's night". Because when a bar loses money by giving women cheap beer, they MORE than make up for it by selling more full price drinks to men who are out actively seeking mating opportunities. That simply WOULD NOT WORK with a men's night, because women have more leverage when it comes to mating rights. This is exactly the same reason why it's the male toads who piss everyone off by croaking all the time in the summer, even though the female toads are BIGGER than the males and could easily kick all the male toad's asses and pick any toad that she wants.

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Everyone should be happy with thier own body image to do so (Of course thats no excuse to be dangerously over or underweight). But of couse things arn't that simple in the real world. So many people have issues due social or media related messages.
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.MrGeezer

In some ways I find a sort of reverse thing going on. Where even pretty gross girls can easily get attention by "flaunting it" simply because they are girls.

It all goes back to the concept of how sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive. More energy goes into making eggs than sperm, and women produce fewer eggs than men produce sperm. This has the consequence that across the animal kingdom, it is usually the males that have to compete for females, not the other way artound. This happens even in species in which the females are BIGGER than the males and could pretty much just kick every male's ass and take whichever male they want. But even though a female toad can kick 100 male toad's asses, she STILL doesn't actively try to attract the male toads. It's the male toads who have to do the work attracting the females, because sperm is cheap and eggs are expenses. A male toad can continually get turned down, but the loser will ALWAYS settle for what he can get. Meanwhile the less-than-ideal female toad is still probably going to mate, because there'll be at least a few male toads who settle for the bad female toads because they can't get the good female toads. The female toad, even if she sucks as a toad, really doesn't have to do ANYTHING. All she has to do is wait, and she's gonna get some action from the loser male toads. But the loser male toad doesn't have that luxury. Female toads, even if they are nasty female toads, are NOT gonna go seeking him out. Because eggs are expensive and the female loser toad's eggs are more valuable than the male loser toad's sperm. Even if the female toad is a loser, she's STILL gonna get the loser male toads actively going after her simply because they are losers.

It's the same way with people. Take a crowded beach. Say that there are a thousand people sitting on that beach sunbathing, and that EXACTLY half of then are men and half of them are women. The good looking men and women can strip down as much as possible before being being classified as being nude, and both the man and woman will have people of the opposite sex lusting after them. Because they are desirable (at least physically) members of that sex.

Everythings fine for attractive people. If you're a good looking man OR a good looking woman, then nudity isn't a problem since you are attractive.

The difference arises when we're talking about the ugly and desperate people. Suppose that half of the women and half of the men on the beach are ugly. If we consider only the ugly people, we're now talking about 500 people (250 of each sex). Now suppose that an ugly man gets almost nude and struts in front of the beach for all to see. How many women do you think will be lusting after him? Ten? Five?

Now suppose that an equally ugly woman gets practically nude and struts across the beach. I GUARANTEE that there will be SIGNIFICANTLY more men lusting after her than there were women lusting after the ugly dude, even if the ugly/pretty distribution is EXACTLY the same across both sexes.

Search your feelings, you know this to be true. Women do not need to be as attractive as men because women do not need to be as competetive or active in seeking out a potential mate. This is why "ladies nights" are profitable at bars, and why no one hosts a "men's night". Because when a bar loses money by giving women cheap beer, they MORE than make up for it by selling more full price drinks to men who are out actively seeking mating opportunities. That simply WOULD NOT WORK with a men's night, because women have more leverage when it comes to mating rights. This is exactly the same reason why it's the male toads who piss everyone off by croaking all the time in the summer, even though the female toads are BIGGER than the males and could easily kick all the male toad's asses and pick any toad that she wants.

I totally agree and get where you are getting at here but I don't think the standards (desperation) of men and their desires to have sex is the topic here.
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#19 MrGeezer
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You're probably right, I didn't even bother to read the article.
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#20 Sajedene
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You're probably right, I didn't even bother to read the article.
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Men and women are too funny sometimes. Throw sex in there and its entertainment. Heck, its what built Hollywood.
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#21 Whicker89
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I was gonna inb4 a bunch of dudes at home pretending to be sexy women posted in this thread but I am too late
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#22 soulless4now
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I agree. When I walk around naked, people can't take their eyes off me. 8) harashawn
You got that right. ;)
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#23 harashawn
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[QUOTE="harashawn"] I agree. When I walk around naked, people can't take their eyes off me. 8) Mickey Mouse
You got that right. ;)

Have you been stalking me? :o
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I hate walking around naked D:
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nekked is usually better than clothed.
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#26 I_pWnzz_YoU
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pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.Sajedene
So would you call a guy a slut if he walked around with nos shirt on? :lol:
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I'm naked right now! Underneath my clothes...
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[QUOTE="Mickey Mouse"][QUOTE="harashawn"] I agree. When I walk around naked, people can't take their eyes off me. 8) harashawn
You got that right. ;)

Have you been stalking me? :o

Uhh...no, no I haven't. :o *runs away* Grr that name! :x
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#29 I_pWnzz_YoU
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*once again agrees*yusefdoodi
You just wanna see her naked don't you? ;)
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[QUOTE="harashawn"][QUOTE="Mickey Mouse"]You got that right. ;)Mickey Mouse
Have you been stalking me? :o

Uhh...no, no I haven't. :o *runs away* Grr that name! :x

Hey, since you saw me...
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.I_pWnzz_YoU
So would you call a guy a slut if he walked around with nos shirt on? :lol:

How in the world did you come up with that from what I wrote? LoL. Of course I wouldn't. My point was that no one says anything if a guy does it but if a girl shows a bit of leg or cleavage its like OMG slutface!
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[QUOTE="yusefdoodi"]*once again agrees*I_pWnzz_YoU
You just wanna see her naked don't you? ;)

I have a girlfriend bro, a girlfriend who im going to have fun with this wednesday at her place :D
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[QUOTE="Mickey Mouse"][QUOTE="harashawn"] Have you been stalking me? :o harashawn
Uhh...no, no I haven't. :o *runs away* Grr that name! :x

Hey, since you saw me...

...No I saw nothing I said!
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[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.Sajedene
So would you call a guy a slut if he walked around with nos shirt on? :lol:

How in the world did you come up with that from what I wrote? LoL. Of course I wouldn't. My point was that no one says anything if a guy does it but if a girl shows a bit of leg or cleavage its like OMG slutface!

And if a guy looks, even for a second he is a pervert.
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[QUOTE="Sajedene"][QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"] So would you call a guy a slut if he walked around with nos shirt on? :lol:Marka1700
How in the world did you come up with that from what I wrote? LoL. Of course I wouldn't. My point was that no one says anything if a guy does it but if a girl shows a bit of leg or cleavage its like OMG slutface!

And if a guy looks, even for a second he is a pervert.

We never had a problem with looking... but guys need to learn and understand the art and the difference between looking and OGLING.
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#37 harashawn
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...No I saw nothing I said! Mickey Mouse
Lies! I know it's you staring at me through binoculars from across the street. :x
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[QUOTE="Marka1700"][QUOTE="Sajedene"] How in the world did you come up with that from what I wrote? LoL. Of course I wouldn't. My point was that no one says anything if a guy does it but if a girl shows a bit of leg or cleavage its like OMG slutface!Sajedene
And if a guy looks, even for a second he is a pervert.

We never had a problem with looking... but guys need to learn and understand the art and the difference between looking and OGLING.

We beeing a collective term, not all women understand the difference either. That and some poeple just like to be jerks, funny or difficult about it.
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Now suppose that an equally ugly woman gets practically nude and struts across the beach. I GUARANTEE that there will be SIGNIFICANTLY more men lusting after her than there were women lusting after the ugly dude, even if the ugly/pretty distribution is EXACTLY the same across both sexes.

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That depends on how many beers the men on the beach have consumed.

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#40 Cloud_Insurance
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We never had a problem with looking... but guys need to learn and understand the art and the difference between looking and OGLING. Sajedene


We can't help it. The little man controls the big man.:D

Its biological. You can't fault science (or god), whatever you believe in.

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[QUOTE="Sajedene"]We never had a problem with looking... but guys need to learn and understand the art and the difference between looking and OGLING. Cloud_Insurance


We can't help it. The little man controls the big man.:D

Its biological. You can't fault science (or god), whatever you believe in.

I'd say it was instinct.

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#42 Cloud_Insurance
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[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

[QUOTE="Sajedene"]We never had a problem with looking... but guys need to learn and understand the art and the difference between looking and OGLING. Jaguar_Shade


We can't help it. The little man controls the big man.:D

Its biological. You can't fault science (or god), whatever you believe in.

I'd say it was instinct.

attraction to cleavage is hardwired into our DNA
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#43 freshgman
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hell no! not all women are hot. alot of em are fat,wrinkly,bony,flabby etc
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#44 bean-with-bacon
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hell no! not all women are hot. alot of em are fat,wrinkly,bony,flabby etcfreshgman

So only hot women should be comfortable with themselves?

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#45 killerfist
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I prefer women in sexy clothes to be honest. Leaves more to the imagination;)
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greatest thing I ever heard
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#47 Solid_Snake325
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[QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"][QUOTE="Sajedene"]pfft... all I am saying is a lot of guys are comfortable prancing around with no shirt on or walking around showing off whatever it is they want to show off (muscles, bulge, legs, etc) but if a girl walks around wearing something sexy they get called a slut or a whore. I said it before and I will say it again... if you got it flaunt it.Sajedene
So would you call a guy a slut if he walked around with nos shirt on? :lol:

How in the world did you come up with that from what I wrote? LoL. Of course I wouldn't. My point was that no one says anything if a guy does it but if a girl shows a bit of leg or cleavage its like OMG slutface!

Sorry but if a girl is looking slutty (tight, skimpy clothes, short skirt, cleavage) then guys will think they're slutty, and they'll just want to bang them, not start a relationship with them. Girls are just asking for disrespect when they dress like that. And please don't try to question why men and women don't think alike. They're just too different in too many ways (biological, mental)
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#48 Solid_Snake325
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[QUOTE="freshgman"]hell no! not all women are hot. alot of em are fat,wrinkly,bony,flabby etcbean-with-bacon

So only hot women should be comfortable with themselves?

Girls who have a nice body should be comfortable with it. Girls who are overweight, have an eating disorder, skin problems, etc. should not be comfortable and should take action. (for health reasons of course)
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#49 Lollicupkins
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no problem with being naked here.
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#50 bean-with-bacon
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[QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"]

[QUOTE="freshgman"]hell no! not all women are hot. alot of em are fat,wrinkly,bony,flabby etcSolid_Snake325

So only hot women should be comfortable with themselves?

Girls who have a nice body should be comfortable with it. Girls who are overweight, have an eating disorder, skin problems, etc. should not be comfortable and should take action. (for health reasons of course)

I agree but there are other things that can make a women be percieved as ugly other then a poor lifestyle, such as bone structure, skin proplems beyond their control (stretch marks, bad skin tones, celulite, scars etc), flat chest, out of proportion body etc. etc. So should these women not be allowed to feel comfortable with themselves based on a bad combination of genes? Or should they undergo a multitude of painful, time consuming and expensive artifical alterations and enhancment before they should be comfortable with themselves?