WikiLeaks blacklisted in the United States

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Those attacks could be by anyone. There are many people in the US who strongly support their government and may take it upon themselves to do this. Assuming that it is Barrack Obama ordering wikileaks to be taken down is a little bit of a stretch.

markinthedark

i would also like to think the US government is capable of something more sophisticated than a simple DDOS attack. Thats the kind of stuff 4 chan script kiddies use.

[QUOTE="MathMattS"]

[QUOTE="testfactor888"] I am for freedom of speech no matter the cost.II_Seraphim_II

Does that cost include human lives and national security?

As far as I'm concerned, if you're an American citizen and you support something like this that threatens national security, you're a traitor.

In the laaaaand of the freeeeeeAce6301

Good, harming relations with countries for what? To be some kind of star boy or crusader? I hope he gets locked away and they throw away the key.

▲ Works for me. And yeah, I live in the US. ▲

It's nice to see so many people afraid of the truth.

Good, harming relations with countries for what? To be some kind of star boy or crusader? I hope he gets locked away and they throw away the key.

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Good, harming relations with countries for what? To be some kind of star boy or crusader? I hope he gets locked away and they throw away the key.

MoetWitMedusa

After that 1.5gig there's nothing to come.

I just want him to release the bank info already. SAGE_OF_FIRE

So people are upset that the ***** things they have done have gotten leaked. How about you don't ****ing do them instead of getting mad at the people who are merely exposing what countries have already done. It's like talking trash behind a friends back and then getting mad at the person who told them about it. HoolaHoopMan

Fairy tail land mentality again. The world is not this super nice candy store type place you know? All countries have done underhanded things, there's no reason why they should be exposed to cause more trouble.

I'm so glad the goverment is fighting against the forces of the internet, instead of, you know, helping it's fellow citizens. Oh wait, that's not how America works anymore. It's all about money now, and trying to keep their dirty secrets away from Americans.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]So people are upset that the ***** things they have done have gotten leaked. How about you don't ****ing do them instead of getting mad at the people who are merely exposing what countries have already done. It's like talking trash behind a friends back and then getting mad at the person who told them about it. Espada12

Fairy tail land mentality again. The world is not this super nice candy store type place you know? All countries have done underhanded things, there's no reason why they should be exposed to cause more trouble.

[QUOTE="MoetWitMedusa"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Good, harming relations with countries for what? To be some kind of star boy or crusader? I hope he gets locked away and they throw away the key.

Espada12

After that 1.5gig there's nothing to come.

No good will come from wikileaks, onoly to please people who are way to curious and are oblivious the what these documents can harm.

Oh well, free speech. Cant wait for them to leak out tactics in Afghanistan, but of course, everyone here will defend those leaks while taliban will know all the moves of our troops.

I'm so glad the goverment is fighting against the forces of the internet, instead of, you know, helping it's fellow citizens. Oh wait, that's not how America works anymore. It's all about money now, and trying to keep their dirty secrets away from Americans.

Avian005

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]So people are upset that the ***** things they have done have gotten leaked. How about you don't ****ing do them instead of getting mad at the people who are merely exposing what countries have already done. It's like talking trash behind a friends back and then getting mad at the person who told them about it. Espada12

Fairy tail land mentality again. The world is not this super nice candy store type place you know? All countries have done underhanded things, there's no reason why they should be exposed to cause more trouble.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]So people are upset that the ***** things they have done have gotten leaked. How about you don't ****ing do them instead of getting mad at the people who are merely exposing what countries have already done. It's like talking trash behind a friends back and then getting mad at the person who told them about it. 8-Bitterness

Fairy tail land mentality again. The world is not this super nice candy store type place you know? All countries have done underhanded things, there's no reason why they should be exposed to cause more trouble.

What?..... these events are needed to know by you for what reason? We all know they happen, we don't need specific details or documents which could harm relations with other countries being made for the public view.

[QUOTE="Avian005"]

I'm so glad the goverment is fighting against the forces of the internet, instead of, you know, helping it's fellow citizens. Oh wait, that's not how America works anymore. It's all about money now, and trying to keep their dirty secrets away from Americans.

l4dak47

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]So people are upset that the ***** things they have done have gotten leaked. How about you don't ****ing do them instead of getting mad at the people who are merely exposing what countries have already done. It's like talking trash behind a friends back and then getting mad at the person who told them about it. HoolaHoopMan

Fairy tail land mentality again. The world is not this super nice candy store type place you know? All countries have done underhanded things, there's no reason why they should be exposed to cause more trouble.

Again... that's a dream world mentality.. if they don't want them finding out the CIA could go remove him as simple as that. We all know that things are done in the name of greed and politics by countries, but there's no point to killing relations with countries just because you want to be some whistle blower crusader.

Seems like people want it to be leaked for the sake of it harming the government, rather then reading it.

Like a personal vendetta, against something they know little about.

[QUOTE="8-Bitterness"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Fairy tail land mentality again. The world is not this super nice candy store type place you know? All countries have done underhanded things, there's no reason why they should be exposed to cause more trouble.

Espada12

What?..... these events are needed to know by you for what reason? We all know they happen, we don't need specific details or documents which could harm relations with other countries being made for the public view.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]So people are upset that the ***** things they have done have gotten leaked. How about you don't ****ing do them instead of getting mad at the people who are merely exposing what countries have already done. It's like talking trash behind a friends back and then getting mad at the person who told them about it. HoolaHoopMan

Fairy tail land mentality again. The world is not this super nice candy store type place you know? All countries have done underhanded things, there's no reason why they should be exposed to cause more trouble.

Seems like people want it to be leaked for the sake of it harming the government, rather then reading it.

Like a personal vendetta, against something they know little about.

Sandvichman

QFT

Pretty much

Seems like people want it to be leaked for the sake of it harming the government, rather then reading it.

Like a personal vendetta, against something they know little about.

Sandvichman

Hit the nail on the head dude.

EDIT: why did I put end? ;s

Wow. Quite the stretch of imagination there. Well then, shall we make every single information available to everybody. Because if we don't we'll become Nazi Germany. :roll:l4dak47

You fail to understand the point here. The release of this information was illegal. Whomever stole this information in the first place, should get arrested and all that jazz since this is classified information and the guy is guilty of espionage and/or treason. On the other hand, the publication of this information is NOT illegal, and that's all Wikileaks did. You see, the government agent who leaked this info, probably signed some contract stating that he is not allowed to release sensitive data. It's like when NY times gets, in the mail, bank statements showing a politician is corrupt. How those bank records were obtained was probably illegally, but the NY times has every right to publish them.

Its the US government job to keep its info secret, not Wikileaks'.

and why should they be hidden from me?8-Bitterness

Because if you can access them everyone can obviously... and it will increase anti (insert country that had it's dirt leaked) movement and attitudes amongst the affected country.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Fairy tail land mentality again. The world is not this super nice candy store type place you know? All countries have done underhanded things, there's no reason why they should be exposed to cause more trouble.

Espada12

Again... that's a dream world mentality.. if they don't want them finding out the CIA could go remove him as simple as that. We all know that things are done in the name of greed and politics by countries, but there's no point to killing relations with countries just because you want to be some whistle blower crusader.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Seems like people want it to be leaked for the sake of it harming the government, rather then reading it.

Like a personal vendetta, against something they know little about.

UnknownSniper65

QFT

Pretty much

[QUOTE="8-Bitterness"]

and why should they be hidden from me?Espada12

Because if you can access them everyone can obviously... and it will increase anti (insert country that had it's dirt leaked) movement and attitudes amongst the affected country.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Fairy tail land mentality again. The world is not this super nice candy store type place you know? All countries have done underhanded things, there's no reason why they should be exposed to cause more trouble.

Avian005

Seems like people want it to be leaked for the sake of it harming the government, rather then reading it.

Like a personal vendetta, against something they know little about.

Sandvichman

Yes, accountability is apparently only something possible in a dream world. Makes perfect sense. We need whistle blowers, they expose stupid **** that people have done to **** over people across the globe. If they were so concerned over relations with countries, how about not talking **** behind their backs or trying to screw them over. Just a thought from my fantasy world again I guess. HoolaHoopMan

Yes it is, in the world of politics asking for accountability for foreign affairs is dream world mentality, especially in the larger more influential nations.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Seems like people want it to be leaked for the sake of it harming the government, rather then reading it.

Like a personal vendetta, against something they know little about.

SAGE_OF_FIRE

Then why?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="8-Bitterness"]

and why should they be hidden from me?Avian005

Because if you can access them everyone can obviously... and it will increase anti (insert country that had it's dirt leaked) movement and attitudes amongst the affected country.

Grats, it's not only them getting hate it's the citizens of their country who have nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Wow. Quite the stretch of imagination there. Well then, shall we make every single information available to everybody. Because if we don't we'll become Nazi Germany. :roll:II_Seraphim_II

You fail to understand the point here. The release of this information was illegal. Whomever stole this information in the first place, should get arrested and all that jazz since this is classified information and the guy is guilty of espionage and/or treason. On the other hand, the publication of this information is NOT illegal, and that's all Wikileaks did. You see, the government agent who leaked this info, probably signed some contract stating that he is not allowed to release sensitive data. It's like when NY times gets, in the mail, bank statements showing a politician is corrupt. How those bank records were obtained was probably illegally, but the NY times has every right to publish them.

Its the US government job to keep its info secret, not Wikileaks'.

Seems like people want it to be leaked for the sake of it harming the government, rather then reading it.

Like a personal vendetta, against something they know little about.

Sandvichman

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Yes, accountability is apparently only something possible in a dream world. Makes perfect sense. We need whistle blowers, they expose stupid **** that people have done to **** over people across the globe. If they were so concerned over relations with countries, how about not talking **** behind their backs or trying to screw them over. Just a thought from my fantasy world again I guess. Espada12

Yes it is, in the world of politics asking for accountability for foreign affairs is dream world mentality, especially in the larger more influential nations.

Can someone please give a proper reply to why wikileaks is justified.

Can someone please show me the PROPER benefits of these leaks, that do not include feedings people curiousity, or armchair politicians saying how it will help?

Can someone please say how preventing the leak of this is bad. Without including that it hinders free speach, which has its limits.

[QUOTE="8-Bitterness"]

and why should they be hidden from me?Espada12

Because if you can access them everyone can obviously... and it will increase anti (insert country that had it's dirt leaked) movement and attitudes amongst the affected country.

[QUOTE="Avian005"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Because if you can access them everyone can obviously... and it will increase anti (insert country that had it's dirt leaked) movement and attitudes amongst the affected country.

Espada12

Grats, it's not only them getting hate it's the citizens of their country who have nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Yes, accountability is apparently only something possible in a dream world. Makes perfect sense. We need whistle blowers, they expose stupid **** that people have done to **** over people across the globe. If they were so concerned over relations with countries, how about not talking **** behind their backs or trying to screw them over. Just a thought from my fantasy world again I guess. HoolaHoopMan

Yes it is, in the world of politics asking for accountability for foreign affairs is dream world mentality, especially in the larger more influential nations.

When it comes to foreign affairs the government should not have to disclose anything that can affect them negatively. Accountability for foreign affairs is a dream, however I believe the government should be extremely transparent when it comes to domestic matters.

I wish Obama would take a stand against this disgrace of action. It is not under the first amendment also for those of you saying it would be there are many exceptions in America where free speech is not true

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Wow. Quite the stretch of imagination there. Well then, shall we make every single information available to everybody. Because if we don't we'll become Nazi Germany. :roll:l4dak47

You fail to understand the point here. The release of this information was illegal. Whomever stole this information in the first place, should get arrested and all that jazz since this is classified information and the guy is guilty of espionage and/or treason. On the other hand, the publication of this information is NOT illegal, and that's all Wikileaks did. You see, the government agent who leaked this info, probably signed some contract stating that he is not allowed to release sensitive data. It's like when NY times gets, in the mail, bank statements showing a politician is corrupt. How those bank records were obtained was probably illegally, but the NY times has every right to publish them.

Its the US government job to keep its info secret, not Wikileaks'.

I wish Obama would take a stand against this disgrace of action. It is not under the first amendment also for those of you saying it would be there are many exceptions in America where free speech is not true

fueled-system

It is under the first amendment.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Seems like people want it to be leaked for the sake of it harming the government, rather then reading it.

Like a personal vendetta, against something they know little about.

SAGE_OF_FIRE