Wikileaks: UK releases terrorist because of foreign pressure

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#51 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Whatuptho"]

it find it odd that it does seem to go after the U.S.

corruption is everywhere so what gives?

jetpower3

in a way it makes sense. every government must deal with the United States at some level, so by focusing on the US you also reveal with the other governments think.

Only to the extent of the perspective of U.S. foreign policy and internal operations, which are already pretty clear as they are. I haven't seen anything yet that is particularly new or shocking in these documents.

Easier said then done
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#52 LJS9502_basic
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I was indifferent at the time, but after finishing John Adams the HBO Special i support the leaks. Everyone pushes Adams for the Alien and Sedition acts just in case they go to war with France and he has trouble with it, then Jefferson tells him it's hypocritical after they fought so hard for those freedoms. I love how everyone assumes every guy in custody is a "terrorist", reminds me of the beginning episodes where John himself defends the British troops who supposedly "started" the Boston Massacre but he gets them off the hook because they were actually being attacked by a mob and people tried to spin it, they even called Adams a traitor for defending those Red coats. They needed a trial, they needed representation, not to just be locked up as so called "terrorists" in this day and age. X360PS3AMD05
John Adams and Thomas Jefferson did not put all their private correspondence and government war tactics for public consumption. First step is detaining...ie arresting the suspect. I don't know why you assume no trial would be forthcoming......and while I haven't seen the movie you allude to here....don't take everything Hollywood feeds as fact either.
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#53 Whatuptho
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[QUOTE="sonicare"] Don't worry we have wikileaks. A site clearly concerned with freedom of information and not its own agenda. It will reveal all the secrets of the world's governments by focusing exclusively on the US.Treflis

it find it odd that it does seem to go after the U.S.

corruption is everywhere so what gives?

The US is one of the nations that holds the largest economical power in the world aswell as have several times been quite active abroad, so the fact that the US is seemingly what mainly is reveal documents about is mostly because the US essentially got a finger into everything nowadays.

It surely shouldn't come as such a surprise.

im not surprised

but its not just the U.S. who got theyre hands on the cookie jar

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#54 daqua_99
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This is the reason why I fully support Wikileaks. Some things just need to be known

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#55 MattDistillery
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[QUOTE="Treflis"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] Nah, just giving people a taste of their own medicine. l4dak47
Isn't that essentially trolling? You know by posting something in pure hopes to make others offended rather then for debative reasons.

But I am debating. I said the U.S. doesn't let terrorists go free.

No they invite them over let them sit down give them some tea and Buiscuitsand let them get media attention to raise money for a terrorist campaign.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4293350/Barack-Obama-inauguration-Gerry-Adams-to-attend-ceremony.html

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#56 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="sonicare"] Don't worry we have wikileaks. A site clearly concerned with freedom of information and not its own agenda. It will reveal all the secrets of the world's governments by focusing exclusively on the US.jetpower3

And yet we're in a thread where they revealed info about the UK.

So....yeah.

If wikileaks feels so obligated to steal and expose government documents, perhaps they should focus not so much on first world countries, which release a lot more information than anyone gives them credit for, but more on much more authoritative regimes that are extremely opaque in how they function.

...You don't need to expose the corruption of an authoritan regime. The fact they are an authoritarian regime is sort of enough. It makes far more sense to expose countries that claim to be bastions of morality and good.

I mean really...Exposing North Korea would be like "exposing" that hamburgers have meat. No crap?!

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#57 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] Don't worry we have wikileaks. A site clearly concerned with freedom of information and not its own agenda. It will reveal all the secrets of the world's governments by focusing exclusively on the US.Espada12

And yet we're in a thread where they revealed info about the UK.

So....yeah.

Revealed what exactly? Everyone speculated that was the reason for release in the first place.. this was a very very public affair, there's nothing special about this information.

Then why are we discussing wikileaks?

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#58 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="jetpower3"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

And yet we're in a thread where they revealed info about the UK.

So....yeah.

Pixel-Pirate

If wikileaks feels so obligated to steal and expose government documents, perhaps they should focus not so much on first world countries, which release a lot more information than anyone gives them credit for, but more on much more authoritative regimes that are extremely opaque in how they function.

...You don't need to expose the corruption of an authoritan regime. The fact they are an authoritarian regime is sort of enough. It makes far more sense to expose countries that claim to be bastions of morality and good.

I mean really...Exposing North Korea would be like "exposing" that hamburgers have meat. No crap?!

I think you'd find many of the people in those countries don't know any better. Maybe Wikileaks can enlighten them.

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#59 carrot-cake
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[QUOTE="conistant"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Why is that? It's not like it makes any difference.....

LJS9502_basic

It has already made a difference.The public now will demand answers for every action their government takes resulting in a better a democratic system.

I'm not sure how actions already taken change anything since they are ...you know...already taken. And no country can function as a pure democratic system. Nothing would be accomplished. It's a representative system....


Well it does make the politcians more accountable to the people they represent. This is a huge deal in the UK, I'd imagine many people would be outraged to learn that the bomber was released due to not only him having cancer, but due to pressure from the Libyan government as well. It places distrust in the government and thus would theoretically force the government to be more complete and honest behind its reasoning when doing such controversial things.

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#60 jetpower3
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="conistant"] It has already made a difference.The public now will demand answers for every action their government takes resulting in a better a democratic system.carrot-cake

I'm not sure how actions already taken change anything since they are ...you know...already taken. And no country can function as a pure democratic system. Nothing would be accomplished. It's a representative system....


Well it does make the politcians more accountable to the people they represent. This is a huge deal in the UK, I'd imagine many people would be outraged to learn that the bomber was released due to not only him having cancer, but due to pressure from the Libyan government as well. It places distrust in the government and thus would theoretically force the government to be more complete and honest behind its reasoning when doing such controversial things.

Even Watergate was not able to do that.

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#61 carrot-cake
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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] I'm not sure how actions already taken change anything since they are ...you know...already taken. And no country can function as a pure democratic system. Nothing would be accomplished. It's a representative system....jetpower3


Well it does make the politcians more accountable to the people they represent. This is a huge deal in the UK, I'd imagine many people would be outraged to learn that the bomber was released due to not only him having cancer, but due to pressure from the Libyan government as well. It places distrust in the government and thus would theoretically force the government to be more complete and honest behind its reasoning when doing such controversial things.

Even Watergate was not able to do that.


"I am not a crook" Heh.

Yeah, well its theoretical for a reason. I can be a dreamer. I know I'm not the only one.

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#62 acsam12304
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Darn it wikileaks! We can't know about this stuff! You're making politicians look bad.....I mean, uh, endangering lives!

Pixel-Pirate

you do know in Afghanistan the U.S. gives the SIS ( that country's version of the CIA) all kinds of info and data about the enemy. well in return SIS and a lot of the countries leaders gives the information we give them to the enemy them selfs. and guess what the US knows about it. Wikileaks endangering lives? i think not when it comes to the "war" in Afganistan, the SIS is one endanering lives, thats why we can not get a foot hold in the "war" over there because they give all the info to the enemy and the enemy uses that info to move there big shots around and move their "rebell forces" to a new locations and what not.

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#63 acsam12304
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Gaaah We don't need to know this information! It could like, put lives in danger....and stuff!

Pixel-Pirate

(if your a girl) honey the enemy doesnt need WiKileaks to find whos in a operation and who done what. they have their own informants that are a head of wikileaks when it comes to this kind of stuff. in other words they know whats already going on way before Wikileaks postes anything on their web site. lives are already endanger before all this happened.

(if your not a girl skip the "honey" part)

thats part of life when it comes to being a intel spook you just have to keep watching over your shoulder every few seconds.

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#64 snakes_codec
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Why would the U.K be intimidated by LIBYA? :? Elraptor

their not its seems the deal was done to secure British Oil interests in North Africa sadly that's what you get when you have a Liberal Hippie like Brown running your country Britain's current government would never have made that deal .

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#65 Justinps2hero
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Brown did not make the decision, the Scottish government did. Not that I'm defending brown, he was a very incompetent PM.