Will Humans ever truly understand the concept of Time?

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#1 VideoGameGuy
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Not going to get into all those crazy theories out there on the subject (that's your job!) but i can't even begin to comprhend Time. If time truly is infinite and had no beginning or will have no end where does that leave us? How can you put an age on something?? my head hurts..discuss
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I doubt it. I sure don't understand it. I even bought a book recently based on time alone. Why does time change with mass or speed? Whenever I ask people why gravity effects time they always come out with an image of the Earth sitting on a plane in an indentation that is wider than the Earth then I always say "That isn't why it is effected that is how it is effected" The book I bought was called 'in search of time' and it goes through time as seen by cultures throughout history to possibilieties of time travel to multi-universe theories based on time travel etc....

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#3 Shad0ki11
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A better question would be: Does time really exist?
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#4 Deihjan
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How time works - as explained by The Doctor
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#5 BumFluff122
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How time works - as explained by The DoctorDeihjan
Ahhhh now I understand it perfectly.
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#6 Montaya
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Time doesnt exist technically, its just a word humans made up to help live efficiently, there is no time in the past, present and future. So dont try and label something that cant be labeled, think of it as an endless plain that need not be described in vastness. Thats one theory i like to go by, it doesnt make me head esplode and seems reasonable.
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#7 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"]How time works - as explained by The DoctorBumFluff122
Ahhhh now I understand it perfectly.

I know, right? :D
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#8 Red-Ravens
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A better question would be: Does time really exist? Shad0ki11
My thought is yes and no. I think we invented time as a way for people to syncronize things but in astronomy/astrology (don't know the difference between the two) things don't need to syncronize because the universe had no agenda. It just happens.
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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]A better question would be: Does time really exist? Red-Ravens
My thought is yes and no. I think we invented time as a way for people to syncronize things but in astronomy/astrology (don't know the difference between the two) things don't need to syncronize because the universe had no agenda. It just happens.

Astronomy is science, astrology is tarot reading.
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#10 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="Red-Ravens"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]A better question would be: Does time really exist? BumFluff122
My thought is yes and no. I think we invented time as a way for people to syncronize things but in astronomy/astrology (don't know the difference between the two) things don't need to syncronize because the universe had no agenda. It just happens.

Astronomy is science, astrology is tarot reading.

astrology has nothing to do with tarot reading . . . .
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#11 Red-Ravens
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Red-Ravens"] My thought is yes and no. I think we invented time as a way for people to syncronize things but in astronomy/astrology (don't know the difference between the two) things don't need to syncronize because the universe had no agenda. It just happens.Deihjan
Astronomy is science, astrology is tarot reading.

astrology has nothing to do with tarot reading . . . .

Actually I think BumFluff122 is right I just looked it up on google and these are the results... http://www.google.com/search?q=astrology&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBF
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wouldn't something like aging prove time exists? i dunno lol
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astrology has nothing to do with tarot reading . . . .Deihjan
tarot reading is astrology. Astrology are the gods in the sky. Astrology is horoscopes.
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"] astrology has nothing to do with tarot reading . . . .BumFluff122
tarot reading is astrology. Astrology are the gods in the sky. Astrology is horoscopes.

as far as I know, and learned through my training, the cards do not follow the heavens..
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Deihjan"] astrology has nothing to do with tarot reading . . . .Deihjan
tarot reading is astrology. Astrology are the gods in the sky. Astrology is horoscopes.

as far as I know, and learned through my training, the cards do not follow the heavens..

It's all basically the same thing.
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Time it self is a idea not a thing thats why you cannot time travel because it was a idea made to keep track of things and make life more organized so time itself does exist but not as a thing but just as an idea.
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#17 Deihjan
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[QUOTE="Deihjan"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]tarot reading is astrology. Astrology are the gods in the sky. Astrology is horoscopes. BumFluff122
as far as I know, and learned through my training, the cards do not follow the heavens..

It's all basically the same thing.

what I'm trying to say is, I learned something different than what you are saying. And I believe my masters more than Google.
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Time it self is a idea not a thing thats why you cannot time travel because it was a idea made to keep track of things and make life more organized so time itself does exist but not as a thing but just as an idea.Poster_11
Well put.
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Time it self is a idea not a thing thats why you cannot time travel because it was a idea made to keep track of things and make life more organized so time itself does exist but not as a thing but just as an idea.Poster_11
Perhaos you should tell various professors of Physics that there is no such thing as time travel who are trying and testing time travel in their laboratories. There is time travel in a sense. The closer you get to a massive object the slower time will go. The universe outside of that massive object will seem to go faster and faster the closer you get. Giving of course you are able to get away from that massive object and back out into space where there is no gravity more time will have passed for the universe you are in than yourself.
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Deihjan"] as far as I know, and learned through my training, the cards do not follow the heavens..Deihjan
It's all basically the same thing.

what I'm trying to say is, I learned something different than what you are saying. And I believe my masters more than Google.

*shrug* All I know is that they are often equated with one another.
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[QUOTE="Poster_11"]Time it self is a idea not a thing thats why you cannot time travel because it was a idea made to keep track of things and make life more organized so time itself does exist but not as a thing but just as an idea.BumFluff122
Perhaos you should tell various professors of Physics that there is no such thing as time travel who are trying and testing time travel in their laboratories. There is time travel in a sense. The closer you get to a massive object the slower time will go. The universe outside of that massive object will seem to go faster and faster the closer you get. Giving of course you are able to get away from that massive object and back out into space where there is no gravity more time will have passed for the universe you are in than yourself.

well yes but thats also go's around the idea of a black hole they have not proved a black hole yet its still a theory and with the theory time once in it doesnt not exist because of the massive pull of gravity but this stuff is still all theoretical
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If there's no such thing as time, then my clock has been living an unfulfilling life on a lie...:cry:
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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Poster_11"]Time it self is a idea not a thing thats why you cannot time travel because it was a idea made to keep track of things and make life more organized so time itself does exist but not as a thing but just as an idea.Poster_11
Perhaos you should tell various professors of Physics that there is no such thing as time travel who are trying and testing time travel in their laboratories. There is time travel in a sense. The closer you get to a massive object the slower time will go. The universe outside of that massive object will seem to go faster and faster the closer you get. Giving of course you are able to get away from that massive object and back out into space where there is no gravity more time will have passed for the universe you are in than yourself.

well yes but thats also go's around the idea of a black hole they have not proved a black hole yet its still a theory and with the theory time once in it doesnt not exist because of the massive pull of gravity but this stuff is still all theoretical

The effects of black holes have been observed, which is evidence that supports the existence of black holes.

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"][QUOTE="Poster_11"]Time it self is a idea not a thing thats why you cannot time travel because it was a idea made to keep track of things and make life more organized so time itself does exist but not as a thing but just as an idea.Poster_11
Perhaos you should tell various professors of Physics that there is no such thing as time travel who are trying and testing time travel in their laboratories. There is time travel in a sense. The closer you get to a massive object the slower time will go. The universe outside of that massive object will seem to go faster and faster the closer you get. Giving of course you are able to get away from that massive object and back out into space where there is no gravity more time will have passed for the universe you are in than yourself.

well yes but thats also go's around the idea of a black hole they have not proved a black hole yet its still a theory and with the theory time once in it doesnt not exist because of the massive pull of gravity but this stuff is still all theoretical

As posted above, the effects of black holes have been observed. Stars and objects circling around a very dense non visible object. Light be refracted by seemingly nothingness (Although this can also be attributed to dark matter). I think they've measured certain types of radiation coming from the super massive black hole at the center of our galaxy as well.
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[QUOTE="Poster_11"][QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Perhaos you should tell various professors of Physics that there is no such thing as time travel who are trying and testing time travel in their laboratories. There is time travel in a sense. The closer you get to a massive object the slower time will go. The universe outside of that massive object will seem to go faster and faster the closer you get. Giving of course you are able to get away from that massive object and back out into space where there is no gravity more time will have passed for the universe you are in than yourself.Shad0ki11

well yes but thats also go's around the idea of a black hole they have not proved a black hole yet its still a theory and with the theory time once in it doesnt not exist because of the massive pull of gravity but this stuff is still all theoretical

The effects of black holes have been observed, which is evidence that supports the existence of black holes.

I'm not saying they dont exsist and like you said they have evidence to support it but it's still a theory none the less.
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I understand it perfectly :D however, no matter what I do I've never got enough of it :shock: and alas, I do not have enough time to explain it to you mere mortals :P
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#27 makiveli100
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Well it's very tricky to understand and if your head hurts from asking the question then getting an answer is going to be hard for you. To start you can't think of time on its own, time has to be paired with space and gravity. Ok, Think of time as an invisible blanket that covers everything. Next gravity comes into play, gravity actually has the power to slow time. I'll give you an example, Say you are here on Earth while at you have a friend on Jupiter.Due to the lower gravitational potential on Jupiter than on Earth, time as experienced by your friend is moving more slowly relative to time experienced by you back on the Earth. Now while niether of you notice any difference it would only be if you could compare time passage that you would notice anything strange. Ok, still with me? lol Ok, now T Mobile gets better coverage and now you to are talking to eachother. When you were talking to your friend because of Jupiters gavity to you he would seem like he was moving in slow motion, and n the other hand your friend would think someone pushed fast forward. So, lets say that you and your friend only live for one hundred heart beats. your friend on Jupiter would actually live longer than you because the gravity slowed time there. Someone already thought of all this, dudes name was Einstein and he called it his theory of general relativity. E=MC2 and all that. Ok, now think about this, lets say you had an extremely powerful telescope that could seen far into space. then, you point it to the nearest star and could actually seen the surface of a planet around it, wouldn't that mean you would be looking back in time at how that planet was before the light took the 16,000 light years it took for the light to reach you on Earth?
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#28 bsman00
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Not going to get into all those crazy theories out there on the subject (that's your job!) but i can't even begin to comprhend Time. If time truly is infinite and had no beginning or will have no end where does that leave us? How can you put an age on something?? my head hurts..discussVideoGameGuy

Time is an illusion... time technically doesn't exist