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#51 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Since it's a given that he's guilty, I wouldn't defend.Mr_Kowaski

its your job to defend though

But he's guilty. Thus, to get the best outcome, he shouldn't have a really good lawyer.
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#52 Mr_Kowaski
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[QUOTE="Mr_Kowaski"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Since it's a given that he's guilty, I wouldn't defend.Funky_Llama

its your job to defend though

But he's guilty. Thus, to get the best outcome, he shouldn't have a really good lawyer.

Well if i was a defence lawyer person, i'd defend anyone, but im ight not defend as well, for people i knew were quilty

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#53 Nifty_Shark
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Yes I would do my best to defend them. It's only fair.
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#54 markop2003
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]i'ld defend the celebrity, i'ld do more goood in the future that way and hopefully oout way the evil i'ld already doneFunky_Llama
But you could do that good without doing the evil, so it's still on your hands.

no i couldn'tas i wouldn't be rated as highly as a lawyer

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#55 jimmyjammer69
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Ok, so I know he's guilty? That suggests he admitted it or I have evidence to prove it. I'd win the case, take the money, blackmail him for the rest of his life and use the proceeds to start up a foundation for the bereaved.
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#56 johnnyv2003
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everyone deserves a defense in court, maybe there's evidence to suggest they didn't kill the kids and kittens. It's not for me to decide but the jury or judge.

Now, the fervor and emotional stake I would put in the case for defending the person would be a different story.

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#57 Whicker89
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Everyone deserves a fair shot in court, whether clearly guilty or not
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#58 deepdreamer256
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Ok, this is the situation. You just got out of lawyers college/university (w/e you want to call it). You get a job at a company with many other lawyers and your first job defend a celebraty that had murdered 2 children and 5 kittens. Out of this deal the celebraty will give you five-hundred thousand dollars if you win not to mention you will be one of the best lawyers in America. Basically if you win in court you're set for life. If you do not defend the celebraty your company fires you and you end up jobless for the rest of your life.

remeber you just got out of schooling and you need money badly. It's this or nothing.

What do you do?

Edit: I know this is not an accurate representation of how a lawyer gets into a world class case like this. I just want to know if it is against your morals or not.

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I won't defend, quit being a bloody lawyer and get a decent job.
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#59 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="markop2003"]i'ld defend the celebrity, i'ld do more goood in the future that way and hopefully oout way the evil i'ld already donemarkop2003

But you could do that good without doing the evil, so it's still on your hands.

no i couldn'tas i wouldn't be rated as highly as a lawyer

But surely that's overridden by the evil of getting a murderer off the hook.
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#60 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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defend a celebraty that had murdered 2 children and 5 kittens. psn_Jaimzl
Oh noes! Why won't anybody think of the kitties :(
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#61 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Well, I could always take his case and then not win.GabuEx
That's illegal D: Isn't it?
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#62 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Well, I could always take his case and then not win.Jandurin
That's illegal D: Isn't it?

But not immoral in this case. :P
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#63 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]Well, I could always take his case and then not win.Funky_Llama
That's illegal D: Isn't it?

But not immoral in this case. :P

Unethical, though. hah. We've described a moral unethical illegal action. Go OT, GO.
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#64 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]Well, I could always take his case and then not win.Jandurin
That's illegal D: Isn't it?

But not immoral in this case. :P

Unethical, though. hah. We've described a moral unethical illegal action. Go OT, GO.

Not even unethical :evil:
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#65 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Not even unethical :evil:Funky_Llama
It's doing his job wrong on purpose. That's like the definition of :o
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#66 7guns
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I will just have to prioritize, moreover if I refuse to defend him he will just hire another guy and might still win. In the end it will me me and my morals rotting in the pit.
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#67 vlin1108
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I will just have to prioritize, moreover if I refuse to defend him he will just hire another guy and might still win. In the end it will me me and my morals rotting in the pit.7guns

The same could be said about an offer concerning an assassination contract. That makes you a hitman if you accept the case, 7guns.

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#68 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Not even unethical :evil:Jandurin
It's doing his job wrong on purpose. That's like the definition of :o

So is it unethical if a hitman deliberately does his job wrong? :o
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Not even unethical :evil:Funky_Llama
It's doing his job wrong on purpose. That's like the definition of :o

So is it unethical if a hitman deliberately does his job wrong? :o

Damn straight. But not illegal :o he took money for a job, and if he's gonna get cold feet, he should just quit right now :x Though I think you should of used a CIA assassin type, instead.
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#70 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Not even unethical :evil:Jandurin
It's doing his job wrong on purpose. That's like the definition of :o

So is it unethical if a hitman deliberately does his job wrong? :o

Damn straight. But not illegal :o he took money for a job, and if he's gonna get cold feet, he should just quit right now :x Though I think you should of used a CIA assassin type, instead.

But illegality does not necessarily mean immorality. :P
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But illegality does not necessarily mean immorality. :PFunky_Llama
well, i know. that was just an aside :P
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#72 7guns
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[QUOTE="7guns"]I will just have to prioritize, moreover if I refuse to defend him he will just hire another guy and might still win. In the end it will me me and my morals rotting in the pit.vlin1108

The same could be said about an offer concerning an assassination contract. That makes you a hitman if you accept the case, 7guns.

What I meant is that nothing will cahnge if I reject the proposal. I will be the only one who suffers.

But that doesn't mean that I will agree to murder someone.

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#73 helium_flash
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Well, I have no choice really because I would be jobless if I didn't... >_>
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#74 vlin1108
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[QUOTE="vlin1108"]

[QUOTE="7guns"]I will just have to prioritize, moreover if I refuse to defend him he will just hire another guy and might still win. In the end it will me me and my morals rotting in the pit.7guns

The same could be said about an offer concerning an assassination contract. That makes you a hitman if you accept the case, 7guns.

What I meant is that nothing will cahnge if I reject the proposal. I will be the only one who suffers.

But that doesn't mean that I will agree to murder someone.

So you would suffer if you wouldn't be out killing someone? You have a taste for blood, and you cannot deny it.

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#75 7guns
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[QUOTE="7guns"][QUOTE="vlin1108"]

[QUOTE="7guns"]I will just have to prioritize, moreover if I refuse to defend him he will just hire another guy and might still win. In the end it will me me and my morals rotting in the pit.vlin1108

The same could be said about an offer concerning an assassination contract. That makes you a hitman if you accept the case, 7guns.

What I meant is that nothing will cahnge if I reject the proposal. I will be the only one who suffers.

But that doesn't mean that I will agree to murder someone.

So you would suffer if you wouldn't be out killing someone? You have a taste for blood, and you cannot deny it.

Not fighting for justice at any cost and being a hitman are two different things.

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#76 Jacobistheman
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That's why I could never be a lawyer. A judge, perhaps,but I'd be a hard-ass dealth penalty to everyone, kind of judge.DigitalExile
So you think you have the right to decide who should die and who shouldn't, would you do the same thing if you were the exocutioner.
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#77 fkholmes
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defence lawayers must defend everyone. if he's guilty then the prosecutor must prove it.

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This is what I believe. I'd certainly defend him, with or without the extra money. I wouldn't enjoy it, but I would still do it.
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#78 KOTORkicker
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I'd defend them no problem as long as I get payed.

Thats the problem I have with all the kids in my year level who want to be lawyers. They all think that they will prosecuting the bad guy, not defending them. And then they say "I just wont defend them". Yeah, good luck :roll:

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This man speaks the truth.

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If I took the time and trouble to be a defense attorney in the first place, then I'd probably be prepared to defend some scumbags. However, I have absolutely no intention of ever becoming a defense attorney.
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If I took the time and trouble to be a defense attorney in the first place, then I'd probably be prepared to defend some scumbags. However, I have absolutely no intention of ever becoming a defense attorney.Theokhoth
Maybe you'd be like Phoenix Wright, whose clients, apparently by chance, are never ever guilty.
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]If I took the time and trouble to be a defense attorney in the first place, then I'd probably be prepared to defend some scumbags. However, I have absolutely no intention of ever becoming a defense attorney.Funky_Llama
Maybe you'd be like Phoenix Wright, whose clients, apparently by chance, are never ever guilty.

That was what turned me off to that game. They were always innocent and you always had a way to prove it. LAME
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#82 EMOEVOLUTION
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Well, just because you're lawyer doesn't mean you're a defense attorney. So this is very very very very far off as far as hypothetical questions go.

Anyways, my answer is no. Because of the 5 kittens.

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**** morals, I want to get paid!
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]If I took the time and trouble to be a defense attorney in the first place, then I'd probably be prepared to defend some scumbags. However, I have absolutely no intention of ever becoming a defense attorney.Jandurin
Maybe you'd be like Phoenix Wright, whose clients, apparently by chance, are never ever guilty.

That was what turned me off to that game. They were always innocent and you always had a way to prove it. LAME

D: How could anyone be turned off from Phoenix Wright? Also, in [spoiler] Phoenix Wright 2, case 4 [/spoiler] your client is guilty.
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your client is guilty. Funky_Llama
I only played the first. :P
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Id defend him. That is your job as a lawyer. That would be like a doctor not performing surgery on a murderer.
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]your client is guilty. Jandurin
I only played the first. :P

I imported the second from Japan and the third and fourth from the USA. I heart those games. ^__^
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I would not have become a defense lawyer if I could not defend the indefensible.
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I would not have become a defense lawyer if I could not defend the undefensible.LJS9502_basic
Or indeed the indefensible. :P
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I would not have become a defense lawyer if I could not defend the undefensible.Funky_Llama
Or indeed the indefensible. :P

Grrr....I can make a typo once in awhile.:x
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#91 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I would not have become a defense lawyer if I could not defend the undefensible.LJS9502_basic
Or indeed the indefensible. :P

Grrr....I can make a typo once in awhile.:x

D: I thought you were infallible! :cry:
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D: I thought you were infallible! :cry:Funky_Llama
I am...but my keyboard isn't.>__>
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#93 Forerunner-117
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Hah, defend him of course. That's what lawyers do. Don't like it, tough luck.