Without Christianity to balance out the people, the world would be rampage...

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]Morals [...] come from inside.Zeviander

Religion in general is a bad thing. A placebo that divides the people and causes violence.DirigiblePlums

Yeah, you're such a beacon of tolerance.

Are they really inherent, tho? Or is it taught/passed down to us? Probably a combo of both. Rich3232

Yeah, probalby a combo of both. I know I have taken on some of the values of my parents, but I have also formed my own values based on my life experiences.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]Morals [...] come from inside.Zeviander

Psychopaths bro!

What do they come from "inside"? And why are their people with seemingly no morals at all?Zeviander

Morals give you a direction, they aren't an insurmountable wall. You *can* live with unnatural morals that point you in the opposite direction of where natural morals do, just don't expect to be able to do so happily.

You could use the argument of "there's people with seemingly no morals" for literally every single belief of how morals came to be so it's kind of worthless to throw out there. Ace6301

Morals give you a direction, they aren't an insurmountable wall. You *can* live with unnatural morals that point you in the opposite direction of where natural morals do, just don't expect to be able to do so happily.N30F3N1X

In my opinion religion has done more harm than good. Though, I try to keep an open mind that any of the religions could be real... I don't know how I'm suppose to pick from a religion like a lottery.. Oops picked the wrong religion. I would hope that god would accept knowing there's no way to know what's real when just about every religion tells you to have faith, and no proof. Doesn't seem like you should be punished by a possible god for that.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

There's nothing new under the son :P

Ace6301

Hah. But I've been meaning to jump on that quote the next time I saw it...

...so uuhhhh....when have men previously walked on The Moon before our modern era? Or used an iphone? Or the interwebs?

Nothing is a very strong word, and in this case it invalidates the whole passage.

I know, thus the 'Hah'. But I've been waiting for someone to pull that quote so I just took the opportunity anyway.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]You could use the argument of "there's people with seemingly no morals" for literally every single belief of how morals came to be so it's kind of worthless to throw out there. Zeviander

There are many murderers who think it is their moral duty to kill a particular group or type of person, and are quite happy to accept their role in the universe.Zeviander

The value of morals transcend the value of life.

you are wrong. Islam is fastest growing religion. proof inside http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-CBL8IHq0SNIPER4321

I thought you don't believe "corrupted mainstream media"?

:lol:

Back in the day, the church controlled much of everything. As people started seeing ways to worship their own way, but still followed the core bible, it has spread out all over the world. ImJESUS-PROam

Back in the day between 1618-1648 was the thirty years war bought between catholic and protestants. When the church did control everything including the route to God, they fought over people able to find their own way. As a result of this war was 8 million people were killed. 8 million people were killed because people wanted to start their own church to pray to the same God. The transition for people to be able to pray at their own will didnt come lightly.

This is the reason why Christianity, even today, is still as strong as ever and growing, regardless of scientific attempts, or scientific religions even trying to remove the fact gos exists. Christianity is what holds the world together. ImJESUS-PROam

Nobody in the science community is trying to disprove god existence. All is happening is scientists are finding and research data and that leads them to a conclusion. Of course plenty of topics science cover is in the realm people think is in religious teachings and find some of those teachings are actually wrong. Example the earth was at one time the center of the universe and this was even taught by the church, now with science there is overwhelming evidence that shows we are not.

The value of morals transcend the value of life.N30F3N1X

this thread is now about bad church signs

That is absurd. Christianity is a fundamentally immoral religion. It teaches altruism which is self-immolation. It teaches how to best sacrifice your life for someone else, waiting and hoping for heaven after death, rather than making your life on this Earth a heaven. Of course it is just a symptom of immorality/irrationality (a moral and rational man will reject it) rather than the cause of it, which is why so many atheists cling to irrational christian values despite not being bound to the bible (there are many such people here).Laihendi

>irrational

>lai

yikes

That is absurd. Christianity is a fundamentally immoral religion. It teaches altruism which is self-immolation. It teaches how to best sacrifice your life for someone else, waiting and hoping for heaven after death, rather than making your life on this Earth a heaven. Of course it is just a symptom of immorality/irrationality (a moral and rational man will reject it) rather than the cause of it, which is why so many atheists cling to irrational christian values despite not being bound to the bible (there are many such people here).Laihendi

That is absurd. Christianity is a fundamentally immoral religion. It teaches altruism which is self-immolation. It teaches how to best sacrifice your life for someone else, waiting and hoping for heaven after death, rather than making your life on this Earth a heaven. Of course it is just a symptom of immorality/irrationality (a moral and rational man will reject it) rather than the cause of it, which is why so many atheists cling to irrational christian values despite not being bound to the bible (there are many such people here).Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd. Christianity is a fundamentally immoral religion. It teaches altruism which is self-immolation. It teaches how to best sacrifice your life for someone else, waiting and hoping for heaven after death, rather than making your life on this Earth a heaven. Of course it is just a symptom of immorality/irrationality (a moral and rational man will reject it) rather than the cause of it, which is why so many atheists cling to irrational christian values despite not being bound to the bible (there are many such people here).Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd. Christianity is a fundamentally immoral religion. It teaches altruism which is self-immolation. It teaches how to best sacrifice your life for someone else, waiting and hoping for heaven after death, rather than making your life on this Earth a heaven. Of course it is just a symptom of immorality/irrationality (a moral and rational man will reject it) rather than the cause of it, which is why so many atheists cling to irrational christian values despite not being bound to the bible (there are many such people here).Laihendi

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is absurd. Christianity is a fundamentally immoral religion. It teaches altruism which is self-immolation. It teaches how to best sacrifice your life for someone else, waiting and hoping for heaven after death, rather than making your life on this Earth a heaven. Of course it is just a symptom of immorality/irrationality (a moral and rational man will reject it) rather than the cause of it, which is why so many atheists cling to irrational christian values despite not being bound to the bible (there are many such people here).Laihendi

You're absolutely correct.  Norse paganism is so awesome, that not everyone can be a member.  There need to be religions for the peasants and non-chosen.  Hence, the major world religions.

[QUOTE="The_Lipscomb"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] What a boring person.Ace6301

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

You're not understanding me. It did establish moral principles by making it widespread. No one went around saying be good because "IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO". People said be good because it's what GOD wants. Empathy and sympathy became a universal requirement because it was required by the religions. It didn't change human nature and we still acted against those morals but at least it set them in place. Even then empathy and sympathy are still missing in many cultures around the world. Just look at Asia and Africa. You're right that these moral principles are evolutionary, but it doesn't change the fact that religion established them as the role model for morals and society. Religion in itself is part of our evolution. It's like a vestigial organ at this point. No longer necessary since those moral principles have been established and some of those rules are outdated and need to change.

br0kenrabbit

So what you're suggesting is that religion was framed around morality, not vice-versa? I can get on board with that, but that means exactly that religion was a convenience, not a necessity.

How exactly am I implying that it's a convenience? Religion has always been there and was a necessary part for the evolution of humanity. Authority figures are needed to have a stable society or else it all breaks down. In the early years of humanity, God/Gods filled the role of both authority and spiritual figure. From paganism to monotheism. However the religion that I'm mainly referring to with the morals is Christianity.

Authority figures are needed to have a stable society or else it all breaks down.RadecSupreme

How exactly am I implying that it's a convenience? Religion has always been there and was a necessary part for the evolution of humanity. Authority figures are needed to have a stable society or else it all breaks down. In the early years of humanity, God/Gods filled the role of both authority and spiritual figure. From paganism to monotheism. However the religion that I'm mainly referring to with the morals is Christianity.

RadecSupreme

The earliest religions were ancestor worship. Supreme beings grew out of that at a later date.

Just because something is a common factor doesn't make it a necessity. Art isn't necessary, but it's universal because we like it.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

Now it is, because it serves no purpose.It actually served a purpose back in the day. It also established moral principles and made "being good" a general consensus and something to strive for. I'm an agnostic, but also a history enthusiast. Having read plenty of history , I've made observations which are seen by many other history enthusiast and historians. Things like empathy and being "the good samaritan" were extremely rare during the ancient times.

RadecSupreme

You're not understanding me. It did establish moral principles by making it widespread. No one went around saying be good because "IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO". People said be good because it's what GOD wants. Empathy and sympathy became a universal requirement because it was required by the religions. It didn't change human nature and we still acted against those morals but at least it set them in place. Even then empathy and sympathy are still missing in many cultures around the world. Just look at Asia and Africa. You're right that these moral principles are evolutionary, but it doesn't change the fact that religion established them as the role model for morals and society. Religion in itself is part of our evolution. It's like a vestigial organ at this point. No longer necessary since those moral principles have been established and some of those rules are outdated and need to change.

without religion the world would be in the dark ages all over again.

without religion the world would be in the dark ages all over again.

-Renegade

without religion the world would be in the dark ages all over again.

-Renegade

without religion the world would be in the dark ages all over again.

-Renegade

without religion the world would be in the dark ages all over again.

-Renegade

Dark ages.....yea, when christianity was at its strongest

Even though I'm Atheist I do believe religion keeps alot of the crazies at bay and makes people second guess their actions.

Even though I'm Atheist I do believe religion keeps alot of the crazies at bay and makes people second guess their actions.

marioandlinkfan

Like the guy that called into a religious tv show I watch and said he'd kill his kids if god asked him to. I hope he stays in church

Like the guy that called into a religious tv show I watch and said he'd kill his kids if god asked him to. I hope he stays in church

wis3boi

Does God ask? I was under the impression he just tellsyou once then sends giant whales your direction.

Christianity was an very violent religion hundreds of years ago. People were killed and tortured for hundreds of years for blasphemy. There was no guilt and everyone truly believed it was justified.

 

European witch trials wiped out over 50,000 people in europe because Christians were purging villages they thought/speculated weren't christian or were influenced by the devil.

 

Religion gave people a justification to kill. They thought it was what God wanted and didn't feel guilt for their acts.

 

It also helped justified the genocide commited on the native americans.

 

NEWMAHAY

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Like the guy that called into a religious tv show I watch and said he'd kill his kids if god asked him to. I hope he stays in church

br0kenrabbit

Does God ask? I was under the impression he just tellsyou once then sends giant whales your direction.

Either way god is a dick

[QUOTE="DirigiblePlums"] A placebo that divides the people and causes violence.SNIPER4321

this is clearly a bait thread...

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

without religion the world would be in the dark ages all over again.

br0kenrabbit

A mod, a mod, my kingdom for a mod!

A mod, a mod, my kingdom for a mod!

tenaka2