Without Religion.

[QUOTE="Bluff_Master_2"]

Religion brings an absolute objective reason to have morals. But without it, no matter how you downplay it, it's a fact that there really is no real reason to have morals.

And we all know how terrible mankind was back in the days despite religion, slavery, racism, sexism, gladatorial fights and I could go on. It's only now that society has evolved into a better place, who knows mankind may even have killed itself long ago without religion.

BumFluff122

But what's your point anyways? Who talked about humans killing their own families? I was obviously talking about our attitude towards people that we dont care about. Ya you obviously dont need God or anythin to be good to your families, but I doubt it's news to anyone.:|

[QUOTE="-Chimera-"]

I don't think that religion is the problem. People are the problem.

Elraptor

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]I'm with -Chimera-, religion isn't the problem, it's some people who practice it. I would like to see a snapshot of a world without religion to see what it's like.Schnauzerz

Im not religious in the slightest but i think without religion the world would be in ruins. I mean, way back then it was helpful to lay down morality but nowadays I think the human race can get on just fine without the help of a supreme cosmic zombie. Or any other religious figures.

Mentally, that isn't possible to live in a world without religion because most people would rather want to believe that spiritual forces exist.

The world's almost like that anyway except people aren't born in test tubes and stuff. But really if religion never existed, wouldn't the world be several centuries behind regarding technology, math, science, etc? Cause I swear I remember something about the Muslims keeping Greek knowledge or something.NoSpeakyEnglish

Mentally, that isn't possible to live in a world without religion because most people would rather want to believe that spiritual forces exist.

Wolf-Man2006

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Bluff_Master_2"]

Religion brings an absolute objective reason to have morals. But without it, no matter how you downplay it, it's a fact that there really is no real reason to have morals.

And we all know how terrible mankind was back in the days despite religion, slavery, racism, sexism, gladatorial fights and I could go on. It's only now that society has evolved into a better place, who knows mankind may even have killed itself long ago without religion.

Bluff_Master_2

But what's your point anyways? Who talked about humans killing their own families? I was obviously talking about our attitude towards people that we dont care about. Ya you obviously dont need God or anythin to be good to your families, but I doubt it's news to anyone.:|

Their are many species like snakes who eat their own offspring. And lions are absolutely intolerable of lions outside their own group, male lions kill many lion cubs just to be able to mate with a female. You need to learn more about the natural world.

But what's your point anyways? Who talked about humans killing their own families? I was obviously talking about our attitude towards people that we dont care about. Ya you obviously dont need God or anythin to be good to your families, but I doubt it's news to anyone.:|

Bluff_Master_2

Both of you guys are bluffing.cyberdarkkid

[QUOTE="Bluff_Master_2"]

Religion brings an absolute objective reason to have morals. But without it, no matter how you downplay it, it's a fact that there really is no real reason to have morals.

And we all know how terrible mankind was back in the days despite religion, slavery, racism, sexism, gladatorial fights and I could go on. It's only now that society has evolved into a better place, who knows mankind may even have killed itself long ago without religion.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Bluff_Master_2"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]No. The fact is that you don't see lions or tigers beating or eating their children, only loving them and nurturing them. Nor do they kill other members of their group. They don't have religious beliefs do they? The fact is is that morals come from societal living, one must count on another to survive and remain strong. That is where morals come from.

cyberdarkkid

But what's your point anyways? Who talked about humans killing their own families? I was obviously talking about our attitude towards people that we dont care about. Ya you obviously dont need God or anythin to be good to your families, but I doubt it's news to anyone.:|

i think the world would be much worse. religion gives us morals and hope, encouragement and motive to live life in a positive way. i think it keeps ppl grounded as well. yeah there are those who abuse it and fight over it and stuff which is a shame but there r a lot of faithful followers and good people from various religions as well. im not a religious person by any means hell ive probably sinned more than most ppl here and i don't really practice my religion (islam) i dont pray 5 times a day or anything but id like to think that my belief in god is strong and im hoping by the end of the summer i will learn more and atleast pray like once a day because i have sinned A LOT (im a teen) and im trying to become a better person.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Bluff_Master_2"]

Religion brings an absolute objective reason to have morals. But without it, no matter how you downplay it, it's a fact that there really is no real reason to have morals.

And we all know how terrible mankind was back in the days despite religion, slavery, racism, sexism, gladatorial fights and I could go on. It's only now that society has evolved into a better place, who knows mankind may even have killed itself long ago without religion.

dsmccracken

i think the world would be much worse. religion gives us morals and hope, encouragement and motive to live life in a positive way. i think it keeps ppl grounded as well. yeah there are those who abuse it and fight over it and stuff which is a shame but there r a lot of faithful followers and good people from various religions as well. im not a religious person by any means hell ive probably sinned more than most ppl here and i don't really practice my religion (islam) i dont pray 5 times a day or anything but id like to think that my belief in god is strong and im hoping by the end of the summer i will learn more and atleast pray like once a day because i have sinned A LOT (im a teen) and im trying to become a better person.

idunnodude

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]

i think the world would be much worse. religion gives us morals and hope, encouragement and motive to live life in a positive way. i think it keeps ppl grounded as well. yeah there are those who abuse it and fight over it and stuff which is a shame but there r a lot of faithful followers and good people from various religions as well. im not a religious person by any means hell ive probably sinned more than most ppl here and i don't really practice my religion (islam) i dont pray 5 times a day or anything but id like to think that my belief in god is strong and im hoping by the end of the summer i will learn more and atleast pray like once a day because i have sinned A LOT (im a teen) and im trying to become a better person.

foxhound_fox

well good for you. i agree u dont need religion to be a good person, im just sayin that it helps a lot . but its definately different for everyone cuz theres a bunch of factors that contribute to the kind of person you are like ur past experiences and the way ur parents raised u and stuff.

well good for you. i agree u dont need religion to be a good person, im just sayin that it helps a lot . but its definately different for everyone cuz theres a bunch of factors that contribute to the kind of person you are like ur past experiences and the way ur parents raised u and stuff.

idunnodude

Religion indirectly created science.CleanPlayer

It's not science. Take physics or chemistry for example as they are taught today. Physics and espeically theoretical physics as practiced today isn't really science but much more like a cult. Physicists think that everything is composed of something smaller but there is no is evidence that eveything is composed of smaller things.

I think I'd much rather study philosophy or psychology or linguistics, psycholinguistics, cognitive science, computer science, spirituality or theology (Bible studies). I haven't decided exactly what I want to study but physics is not a good idea especially since it's more than a cult these days than a science. The disciples I mentioned take a much more wholistic view toward reality and I think are much closer to the truth.

As for religion and moral behavior, well, there are many violent elements in certain religions like Islam. Many Muslims are extremely violent and don't hesistate to kill and slaugther others because they believe their God demands it or deems it right. So just because a God (or many Gods in fact) exist doesn't mean it's a good or moral God, it could also be an evil or selfish God who wants you to do bad things.

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]well good for you. i agree u dont need religion to be a good person, im just sayin that it helps a lot . but its definately different for everyone cuz theres a bunch of factors that contribute to the kind of person you are like ur past experiences and the way ur parents raised u and stuff.

foxhound_fox

well u cant really say that they're actually wrong cuz thats ur opinion. cuz thats the whole point of religion, beliefs and believing in that stuff without needing a bunch of proof whether it be scientific or whatever. but yeah there definately r ppl who misinterpret the beliefs and teachings and stuff like terrorists and some ppl just rely on it too much and shun themselves from any other possibilities or viewpoints.

well u cant really say that they're actually wrong cuz thats ur opinion. cuz thats the whole point of religion, beliefs and believing in that stuff without needing a bunch of proof whether it be scientific or whatever. but yeah there definately r ppl who misinterpret the beliefs and teachings and stuff like terrorists and some ppl just rely on it too much and shun themselves from any other possibilities or viewpoints.

idunnodude

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]well u cant really say that they're actually wrong cuz thats ur opinion. cuz thats the whole point of religion, beliefs and believing in that stuff without needing a bunch of proof whether it be scientific or whatever. but yeah there definately r ppl who misinterpret the beliefs and teachings and stuff like terrorists and some ppl just rely on it too much and shun themselves from any other possibilities or viewpoints.

foxhound_fox

wut do u mean? thats a lot of wut religion is, beleifs. yeah theres a bunch of stuff written in the holy books of the different religions but theres no definitave way to know that its the truth, thats when u cant rely on proof and ur left with ur beleifs. how r u supposed to know for sure that ur gonna go to heaven or hell when u die or that they even exists, theres no way to prove that so u just gotta believe.

wut do u mean? thats a lot of wut religion is, beleifs. yeah theres a bunch of stuff written in the holy books of the different religions but theres no definitave way to know that its the truth, thats when u cant rely on proof and ur left with ur beleifs. how r u supposed to know for sure that ur gonna go to heaven or hell when u die or that they even exists, theres no way to prove that so u just gotta believe.

idunnodude

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]wut do u mean? thats a lot of wut religion is, beleifs. yeah theres a bunch of stuff written in the holy books of the different religions but theres no definitave way to know that its the truth, thats when u cant rely on proof and ur left with ur beleifs. how r u supposed to know for sure that ur gonna go to heaven or hell when u die or that they even exists, theres no way to prove that so u just gotta believe.

foxhound_fox

well like i said theres no definitave way to know its the truth, just like theres no definitave way to know that the universe was created from a big bang or wutever. thats wut religion is BELIEVING. to me i know its the truth because i believe it is and it makes sense to me like the existence of god makes sense to me.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]wut do u mean? thats a lot of wut religion is, beleifs. yeah theres a bunch of stuff written in the holy books of the different religions but theres no definitave way to know that its the truth, thats when u cant rely on proof and ur left with ur beleifs. how r u supposed to know for sure that ur gonna go to heaven or hell when u die or that they even exists, theres no way to prove that so u just gotta believe.

idunnodude

well like i said theres no definitave way to know its the truth, just like theres no definitave way to know that the universe was created from a big bang or wutever. thats wut religion is BELIEVING. to me i know its the truth because i believe it is and it makes sense to me like the existence of god makes sense to me.

Does the existence of an omnipotent God and this make sense to you?

well like i said theres no definitave way to know its the truth, just like theres no definitave way to know that the universe was created from a big bang or wutever. thats wut religion is BELIEVING. to me i know its the truth because i believe it is and it makes sense to me like the existence of god makes sense to me.

idunnodude

I blame the people who use religion as a means to an end.

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
If you don't know it to be the truth, how can you put faith in it? How does it give you solace just making a random guess at the "right" religion? Without knowing it to be the truth, how do you benefit from it? If you don't know a particular piece of scripture to be the truth, how can you trust in its moral teachings?

Bluff_Master_2

well like i said theres no definitave way to know its the truth, just like theres no definitave way to know that the universe was created from a big bang or wutever. thats wut religion is BELIEVING. to me i know its the truth because i believe it is and it makes sense to me like the existence of god makes sense to me.

The way I see religion is a bottle of medicine. Its intentions are SUPPOSED to be good. It's supposed to cure/help people, much like religion is supposed to give people meaning in life. some people may see it as a cure, while others may simply regard it as a placebo and not want to take it because they dont think it will help them. Some may even take it, knowing it is a placebo, but still take it because they still think it will help, or are scared not to take it. however, if the bottle says "take 2 an hour as needed" or something to that effect, and people overdose on it (such as starting conflicts because of religion), it is not the pill's fault, it is the people. It is both a blessing and a curse IMO.

So i dont think it will make a difference. It will simply shift the focus to other things such as race.

[QUOTE="Bluff_Master_2"]

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]

well like i said theres no definitave way to know its the truth, just like theres no definitave way to know that the universe was created from a big bang or wutever. thats wut religion is BELIEVING. to me i know its the truth because i believe it is and it makes sense to me like the existence of god makes sense to me.

cyberdarkkid

[QUOTE="idunnodude"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
If you don't know it to be the truth, how can you put faith in it? How does it give you solace just making a random guess at the "right" religion? Without knowing it to be the truth, how do you benefit from it? If you don't know a particular piece of scripture to be the truth, how can you trust in its moral teachings?

Bluff_Master_2

well like i said theres no definitave way to know its the truth, just like theres no definitave way to know that the universe was created from a big bang or wutever. thats wut religion is BELIEVING. to me i know its the truth because i believe it is and it makes sense to me like the existence of god makes sense to me.

Does the existence of an omnipotent God and this make sense to you?

ok cmon dude thats just disturbing and messed up jeez

iight u know im not gonna try and convert u or anything id just be saying the same thing, its all about belief.

The problems we face won't go away even if there's no religion.

People always look for an excuse to kill each other. Religion is just easy to manipulate for that cause, so it's the most abused. Without religion, they'd simply find other reasons.cd_rom