Woman has 15 abortions in 17 years!

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[QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

Exactly what I'm saying...

Lilyanne46

If she really didn't want to have kids and want to stay with her husband, then couldn't they have just talked and try to work things out? What she did was jsut pointless, excessive, and also contradicts what she is trying to rebel against.

It really does contradict her rebellion. Unnecessary really.

Hrrmmmmm, quite so.

thats pretty funny! and its REALLY SAD that she is THAT stupid. I sure hope she at least PAID for them. You'd think the dumb lady would get her tubes tied after the 2nd abortion. cuz really how could 15 abortions be cheaper than birth control or getting "fixed"???? She gets the award for stupidest person i've heard of all week!

but at to look at the bright side..... at least she doesnt have 15 kids all on welfare or something..... that would be costing us tax payers tons of $$$$

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[QUOTE="Lilyanne46"]

It really does contradict her rebellion. Unnecessary really.

Lilyanne46

Hrrmmmmm, quite so.

Yes yes. -nod nod-

mmmm indeed *puffs pipe*

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its not really a matter of prolife so much as its a matter of antistupid.

Can you define the grey area at all? Or even how it would effect the morality of the issue? If the first baby didn't qualify as a person why would the other 14?darkmoney52

Also as for morality, I dont think that at any case the moral weigh of abortion is ever lifted. Its always immoral. I always describe abortion as a necessary evil. Now maybe for some people the necessity makes it not immoral. Anyway I wouldnt say that abortion is something I like or that I am perfectly ok with. I dont think any pro-choice person likes abortion. If someone wants people to not have abortion they should make sure the alternatives are easily accessible.

I never use the argument of whether or not a foetus is considered a person. So thats not the case here.

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MrGeezer

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Can you define the grey area at all? Or even how it would effect the morality of the issue? If the first baby didn't qualify as a person why would the other 14?Teenaged

Also as for morality, I dont think that at any case the moral weigh of abortion is ever lifted. Its always immoral. I always describe abortion as a necessary evil. Now maybe for some people the necessity makes it not immoral. Anyway I wouldnt say that abortion is something I like or that I am perfectly ok with. I dont think any pro-choice person likes abortion. If someone wants people to not have abortion they should make sure the alternatives are easily accessible.

I never use the argument of whether or not a foetus is considered a person. So thats not the case here.

Straightforward question for you. What makes abortion immoral?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Can you define the grey area at all? Or even how it would effect the morality of the issue? If the first baby didn't qualify as a person why would the other 14?MrGeezer

Also as for morality, I dont think that at any case the moral weigh of abortion is ever lifted. Its always immoral. I always describe abortion as a necessary evil. Now maybe for some people the necessity makes it not immoral. Anyway I wouldnt say that abortion is something I like or that I am perfectly ok with. I dont think any pro-choice person likes abortion. If someone wants people to not have abortion they should make sure the alternatives are easily accessible.

I never use the argument of whether or not a foetus is considered a person. So thats not the case here.

Straightforward question for you. What makes abortion immoral?

But there are 2 choices.

1) Allow the woman to have an abortion (in cases of rape, condom breaking, really young age, really bad financial situation and so on)

2) Have the baby be born and have it be raised in an environment where there is risk it wont be wanted (which could lead from negligence to abusive behavior towards the child), it wont be provided with the very basics, or even not surviving.

Now yeah I know the above doesnt justify it at any case, but really I wish we could do anything to prevent abortions from happening.

I wish the alternatives to abortion were as easily accessible as they can be, that people were educated better and acter responsibly.

But until the above happens what would you have a possible mother do?

To the above I get the responses like "she shouldnt get pregnant in the first place", "alternatives are available", "alternatives are easily accessible" etc.

The first doesnt really say anything because like I said I wish people acted more maturely and that education took care of that as much as possible. But until you fix that what can you do?

The second is obvious but are they accessibly by EVERY possible mother?

And then I get the third response. Is there a country where thats true beyond doubt? Excellent. As soon as a country can claim and prove that it provides alternatives to abortion that completely accessible by mothers then by all means make abortion illegal.

And because I had to word my initial post better:

I cant really label abortion as either immoral or moral, because of course its hard to define the two. But its deffinetely not a good thing that anyone likes. It is to be avoidable, but when it happens no one likes that they are doing it.

Are we talking the the abortion PILL?

Because then it doesn't seme that far-fetched.

But if we're tlaking the operation, then I'm shocked her Uterus could support a pregnancy after so many of them.

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[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Can you define the grey area at all? Or even how it would effect the morality of the issue? If the first baby didn't qualify as a person why would the other 14?Teenaged

Also as for morality, I dont think that at any case the moral weigh of abortion is ever lifted. Its always immoral. I always describe abortion as a necessary evil. Now maybe for some people the necessity makes it not immoral. Anyway I wouldnt say that abortion is something I like or that I am perfectly ok with. I dont think any pro-choice person likes abortion. If someone wants people to not have abortion they should make sure the alternatives are easily accessible.

I never use the argument of whether or not a foetus is considered a person. So thats not the case here.

Oh no. There are plenty that take no mind to it. I don't see how though. :?

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[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Can you define the grey area at all? Or even how it would effect the morality of the issue? If the first baby didn't qualify as a person why would the other 14?bacon_is_sweet

Also as for morality, I dont think that at any case the moral weigh of abortion is ever lifted. Its always immoral. I always describe abortion as a necessary evil. Now maybe for some people the necessity makes it not immoral. Anyway I wouldnt say that abortion is something I like or that I am perfectly ok with. I dont think any pro-choice person likes abortion. If someone wants people to not have abortion they should make sure the alternatives are easily accessible.

I never use the argument of whether or not a foetus is considered a person. So thats not the case here.

Oh no. There are plenty that take no mind to it. I don't see how though. :?

I am not apathetic towards it and I deffinetely dont like it.

If she used the abortion PILL, which is legal in some countries, then I have no problem with it.

Because it's no differnet then birth-control pills in my mind - as long as it's taken early after conception.

IMO, if you don't abort it in the first tri-mester, it's offiically your kid that you have to deal with. At least in the first tri-mester, the thing is not developed enough to actually be considered a sentient human being. It's just a mass of cells in a yolk sac.

Well although I dont have a clear idea as to what I believe a foetus is (whether it is considered a person or not), but crudely put abortion is a type of murder.

But there are 2 choices.

1) Allow the woman to have an abortion (in cases of rape, condom breaking, really young age, really bad financial situation and so on)

2) Have the baby be born and have it be raised in an environment where there is risk it wont be wanted (which could lead from negligence to abusive behavior towards the child), it wont be provided with the very basics, or even not surviving.

Now yeah I know the above doesnt justify it at any case, but really I wish we could do anything to prevent abortions from happening.

I wish the alternatives to abortion were as easily accessible as they can be, that people were educated better and acter responsibly.

But until the above happens what would you have a possible mother do?

To the above I get the responses like "she shouldnt get pregnant in the first place", "alternatives are available", "alternatives are easily accessible" etc.

The first doesnt really say anything because like I said I wish people acted more maturely and that education took care of that as much as possible. But until you fix that what can you do?

The second is obvious but are they accessibly by EVERY possible mother?

And then I get the third response. Is there a country where thats true beyond doubt? Excellent. As soon as a country can claim and prove that it provides alternatives to abortion that completely accessible by mothers then by all means make abortion illegal.

Teenaged

Well there you go.

Like I said, if you believe that abortion is murder, then one abortion is no less immoral than 15 abortions. Are the next 14 abortions somehow MORE of a murder than the first abortion?

She should do as she pleases with her body. She seems quite messed up however, maybe she needs a shrink??

Well there you go.

Like I said, if you believe that abortion is murder, then one abortion is no less immoral than 15 abortions. Are the next 14 abortions somehow MORE of a murder than the first abortion?

MrGeezer

What I am saying is that whatever reason a pro-choice has to support the availability of abortion to women doesnt exist here. Therefore a pro-choice person wouldnt feel that that woman should have abortion.

Saying that 1 and 15 is equally immoral is somehow implying that pro-choice people should either support abortion being done to the cases I described but also to this one; or neither of the two. Thats simply not the case.

Many pro-choicers don't share your reasoned belief system. For many, the argument is that it is the woman's body and her decision and neither the government nor the father have any say. Given this logic, someone who holds this belief shouldn't have problem with any number of abortions a woman may have.Gooeykat

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Damn, she didn't get one for each year. Probably needs some therapy though.

Even if I was pro-choice I'd think this was messed up.

But anyway, as others have stated, this woman isn't right in the head.

How selfish.

Why is this bad thing? It any human folks, remember! Government says so!Gooeykat

I love your sig:)

HER father is so proud

Don't worry; abortion addiction is a pro-life lie, so this didn't really happen.