Woman sues CVS after clerk uses alleged ethnic slur on receipt

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#1 worlock77
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I don't think CVS should be held liable for thiswhipassmt

They are. What your employees do while on the clock falls back on you.

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#2 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]The company is liable. But the woman is a c*nt. F*ck off with your million dollar lawsuits. It's people like you that make the justice system an absolute f*cking joke.MrPraline

Agreed. I doubt she sees a cent though beyond maybe a store gift card.

Yeah. Will probably be settled outside of court somehow.

I'm not sure how I feel about the employee being fired (if he gets fired). While where I work, one would almost certainly be fired for such an offense (though a funny one), I'm not sure I'd agree with it.

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#3 Pirate700
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A million dollars is excessive, but the fact that people are blowing this off as nothing and saying she should ignore the racism is ridiculous. If I were CVS, I would fire the employee.

muffincakes87

Where was the racism? There was only a stereotypical name.

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#4 muffincakes87
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[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

A million dollars is excessive, but the fact that people are blowing this off as nothing and saying she should ignore the racism is ridiculous. If I were CVS, I would fire the employee.

Fightingfan

If you're hurt you ask for an apology -- you don't waste time and resources suing.

Why didn't the employee ask what her first name was or ask what name she wanted on the reciept? How hard would have that been? Instead the employee went out of their way to use a racial slur. I worked in fast food and work at a hospital now. If I called a customer or a patient(of any race) a racial slur, I know I would be fired. Not a good image for the business. Also, I have applied at CVS before. I know you have to take a test on a code of conduct, and calling a patient a racial slurr must break one of those codes. This employee was obviously not thinking and broke their code of conduct so he or she should be fired.

To be clear, I'm not defending her for making this into a huge money grab.

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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]People can't take a joke anymore. Diablo-B
Seriously. Demanding the employee be fired is a bit much. People who work at CVS dont make s***

I regularly go to my local CVS to buy snacks that I could get at a store closer to my house just so I can see the employees. At my local CVS is this guy in his late 30s. Man is he depressed looking. I think he is the assistant manger and sometimes works the register. You can tell that he hates his job, hates his life, hates the customers, and I take great pleasure walking in without a care in the world and forcing him to provide me excellent customer service while he scowls with a gray cloud over his head.

The hell...

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#6 muffincakes87
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Where was the racism? There was only a stereotypical name.

Pirate700

It's a racist term that comes in the form of a name.

No, it is not racist at all. The word "racist" has completely lost all meaning in this country...

I don't know if you're really that cluesses, but calling Asian people "ching chong" can seem really offensive. I wouldn't go around calling random Asian people "ching chong" unless you really want to start a scuffle.

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#7 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="AcidThunder"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]That's not what racism is but go ahead and ignore me if you wish.

Pirate700

then what is racism?

rac·ism

[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPAnoun1.abeliefordoctrinethatinherentdifferencesamongthevarioushumanracesdetermineculturalorindividualachievement,usuallyinvolvingtheideathatone'sownrace issuperiorandhastherighttoruleothers.2.apolicy,systemofgovernment,etc.,baseduponorfosteringsuchadoctrine;discrimination.3.hatredorintoleranceofanotherraceorotherraces.

 

None of that involves calling someone a joke name.

 

You'd have to have an irrational hatred of someone's race to call them a racially demeaning name.

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#8 dave123321
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Companies get held liable for the actions of their employees all the time. The clerk is a moron and should be fired.

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mhm
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#9 Articuno76
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Sounds to be like it was used as slur. Not the kind of person you want working for and representing your company.  Either way, I don't feel to happy about someone getting a million dollars because someone called them a name. That's insane. She should get a gift-bag and some vouchers at best.

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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="dave123321"]Anywho, how are you pirate?dave123321
He is being bashed right now probably not very happy

Pirate doesn't think much of these guys

What are you talking about? Alj and I are bros. TheDruggie is cool too.

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#11 THE_DRUGGIE
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Actually, come to think of it, the dictionary argument is flawed.

Taken from the definition of racism:

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

 Taken from the definition of epithet: 

2. An abusive or contemptuous word or phrase. 

A racial epithet, given the italicized, refers to race. Going by definition, it is an abusive or contemptuous word or phrase based on race. 

Taken from the definition of intolerance: 

1. lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc. 

Given that contempt implies a lack of tolerance, a racial epithet professes intolerance, thus its nature at being direct at race makes it intolerance of another race or races, thus meaning that a racial epithet fits within the definition of racism. 

There you have it.

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#12 jeremiah06
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This is absurd. There is absolutely no reason for CVS to be sued. Freedom of speech means a right to make jokes about race, regardless of who they offend. At most the guy should just be fired/reprimanded by CVS as a PR move. This lawsuit is immoral.Laihendi
Your logic is very flawed... 1. you say anyone can make race jokes 2. you say he should be punished for making a race joke Thats a contradiction... Also freedom of speech applies people not corporations... that's why she isn't suing him...
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]This is absurd. There is absolutely no reason for CVS to be sued. Freedom of speech means a right to make jokes about race, regardless of who they offend. At most the guy should just be fired/reprimanded by CVS as a PR move. This lawsuit is immoral.worlock77

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of speech.

If the government facilitates and enforces restrictions of speech, then that is a violation of freedom of speech. That is not a consequence of speech, that is a consequence of a government that does not respect its constitution.

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A "woman of Korean descent" named Hyun Lee is suing CVS in federal court (as a discrimination lawsuit) for a million dollars after receiving a receipt from a clerk that identified her as "Ching Chong Lee". Lee is offended, and she complained to CVS customer relations about this, customer relations told her that the employee would be "counseled and trained" but Lee's attorney says that that is not enough, her and Lee demand that the worker be fired.

What do you guys think?

I don't think CVS should be held liable for this, it's not their fault that the employee allegedly used a slur against Lee (maybe the clerk actually thought it was her name). Also I think it's a bit out of line for Lee and her attorney to "demand" that hte worker be fired.

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a million dollars
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#16 Wasdie  Moderator
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Well the company is the people. While you're working for a company you're an extension if it. The company should be held liable. A million is ridiculous, but the amount is high just so they can guarantee an out of court settlement. 

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#17 sonic_spark
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Two words: Vicarious Liability.

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#18 Nengo_Flow
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I lol'ed pretty hard when I read that. Lee, Ching Chong. Lol IDK but I found that funny.
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#19 Nibroc420
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Sounds like they needed a first and last name, and the woman would only give one. What else should they have filled in as a first name, they're only trying to identify her.
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#20 mems_1224
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:lol: ching chong lee
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:lol: ching chong leemems_1224
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#22 Fightingfan
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People can't take a joke anymore.
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#23 Bucked20
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Disgusting,I hope she gets every penny
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#24 MrPraline
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The company is liable. But the woman is a c*nt. F*ck off with your million dollar lawsuits. It's people like you that make the justice system an absolute f*cking joke.
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#25 Pirate700
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The company is liable. But the woman is a c*nt. F*ck off with your million dollar lawsuits. It's people like you that make the justice system an absolute f*cking joke.MrPraline
Agreed. I doubt she sees a cent though beyond maybe a store gift card.

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People can't take a joke anymore. Fightingfan
Seriously. Demanding the employee be fired is a bit much. People who work at CVS dont make s***
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#27 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"]The company is liable. But the woman is a c*nt. F*ck off with your million dollar lawsuits. It's people like you that make the justice system an absolute f*cking joke.Pirate700

Agreed. I doubt she sees a cent though beyond maybe a store gift card.

Yeah. Will probably be settled outside of court somehow.
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#28 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Agreed. I doubt she sees a cent though beyond maybe a store gift card.

Pirate700

Yeah. Will probably be settled outside of court somehow.

I'm not sure how I feel about the employee being fired (if he gets fired). While where I work, one would almost certainly be fired for such an offense (though a funny one), I'm not sure I'd agree with it.

I would imagine there's a pretty strict company policy on these sort of things (to avoid million dollar lawsuits like this), but I'm not sure how I feel personally either. He will probably be sacrificed now that the story has hit the major media, though.
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#29 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Yeah. Will probably be settled outside of court somehow.MrPraline

I'm not sure how I feel about the employee being fired (if he gets fired). While where I work, one would almost certainly be fired for such an offense (though a funny one), I'm not sure I'd agree with it.

I would imagine there's a pretty strict company policy on these sort of things (to avoid million dollar lawsuits like this), but I'm not sure how I feel personally either. He will probably be sacrificed now that the story has hit the major media, though.

Agreed. If firing the guy will shut the lady up, it will probably be done.

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#30 Fightingfan
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So how does a million dollars heal her pain?
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#31 MrPraline
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So how does a million dollars heal her pain? Fightingfan
She'll be able to go through the bureaucracy of getting her govt name changed. Ching Chong Chan maybe. Has some nice alliteration to it.
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#32 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Lol wow. Hopefully she wins everything and more, CVS is an awful company.

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A million dollars is excessive, but the fact that people are blowing this off as nothing and saying she should ignore the racism is ridiculous. If I were CVS, I would fire the employee.

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#34 MrPraline
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A million dollars is excessive, but the fact that people are blowing this off as nothing and saying she should ignore the racism is ridiculous. If I were CVS, I would fire the employee.

muffincakes87
I'm not blowing it off, but my contempt for her attempted money grab is overshadowing any sympathy I would've had otherwise.
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#35 Fightingfan
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A million dollars is excessive, but the fact that people are blowing this off as nothing and saying she should ignore the racism is ridiculous. If I were CVS, I would fire the employee.

muffincakes87
If you're hurt you ask for an apology -- you don't waste time and resources suing.
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People are so sensitive these days.
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[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

A million dollars is excessive, but the fact that people are blowing this off as nothing and saying she should ignore the racism is ridiculous. If I were CVS, I would fire the employee.

MrPraline

I'm not blowing it off, but my contempt for her attempted money grab is overshadowing any sympathy I would've had otherwise.

Don't hate the player hate the game bro

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#38 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Companies get held liable for the actions of their employees all the time. The clerk is a moron and should be fired.

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Lol, people will soon sue the weather man for dry cleaning bills because he forecasted sunny weather that turned out to be a stormy day. Ching Chong Lee is jokes though.

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#40 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

A million dollars is excessive, but the fact that people are blowing this off as nothing and saying she should ignore the racism is ridiculous. If I were CVS, I would fire the employee.

Pirate700

Where was the racism? There was only a stereotypical name.

It's a racist term that comes in the form of a name.

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#41 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

A million dollars is excessive, but the fact that people are blowing this off as nothing and saying she should ignore the racism is ridiculous. If I were CVS, I would fire the employee.

THE_DRUGGIE

Where was the racism? There was only a stereotypical name.

It's a racist term that comes in the form of a name.

No, it is not racist at all. The word "racist" has completely lost all meaning in this country...

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#42 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Where was the racism? There was only a stereotypical name.

Pirate700

It's a racist term that comes in the form of a name.

No, it is not racist at all. The word "racist" has completely lost all meaning in this country...

Well I wouldn't call random asian people "Ching Chong."

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#43 MrPraline
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The word "racist" has completely lost all meaning in this country... Pirate700
Yeah, It has here too. In this country you are "racist" (=race) for criticising a certain peaceful religion (=not race).
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Hahaaaaa!!!!... Oh wait?!
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#45 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

It's a racist term that comes in the form of a name.

THE_DRUGGIE

No, it is not racist at all. The word "racist" has completely lost all meaning in this country...

Well I wouldn't call random asian people "Ching Chong."

Neither would I but it's not racist.

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#46 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]The word "racist" has completely lost all meaning in this country... MrPraline
Yeah, It has here too. In this country you are "racist" (=race) for criticising a certain peaceful religion (=not race).

The situation isn't any better here. Trust me.

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#47 Diablo-B
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]People can't take a joke anymore. mems_1224
Seriously. Demanding the employee be fired is a bit much. People who work at CVS dont make s***

I regularly go to my local CVS to buy snacks that I could get at a store closer to my house just so I can see the employees. At my local CVS is this guy in his late 30s. Man is he depressed looking. I think he is the assistant manger and sometimes works the register. You can tell that he hates his job, hates his life, hates the customers, and I take great pleasure walking in without a care in the world and forcing him to provide me excellent customer service while he scowls with a gray cloud over his head.
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#48 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]No, it is not racist at all. The word "racist" has completely lost all meaning in this country...

Pirate700

Well I wouldn't call random asian people "Ching Chong."

Neither would I but it's not racist.

I think it's actually a generalizing term from the late 1800s to refer to Chinese rail workers.

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#49 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Well I wouldn't call random asian people "Ching Chong."

THE_DRUGGIE

Neither would I but it's not racist.

I think it's actually a generalizing term from the late 1800s to refer to Chinese rail workers.

No it's not. It's just a stereotypical name. It's no different than if an Asian person calls a white person "Joe".

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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]No, it is not racist at all. The word "racist" has completely lost all meaning in this country...

Pirate700

Well I wouldn't call random asian people "Ching Chong."

Neither would I but it's not racist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_chong

so not racist right