Woman sues CVS after clerk uses alleged ethnic slur on receipt

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#51 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

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It's a racist term that comes in the form of a name.

muffincakes87

No, it is not racist at all. The word "racist" has completely lost all meaning in this country...

I don't know if you're really that cluesses, but calling Asian people "ching chong" can seem really offensive. I wouldn't go around calling random Asian people "ching chong" unless you really want to start a scuffle.

I don't know if you're really that clueless but offensive =/= racist. Keep trying though...

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#52 muffincakes87
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[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Well I wouldn't call random asian people "Ching Chong."

Pirate700

Neither would I but it's not racist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_chong

so not racist right

Thanks for linking this before I did.

Just ignore Pirate. Either he's that ignorant or just trolling.

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#53 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Neither would I but it's not racist.

Pirate700

I think it's actually a generalizing term from the late 1800s to refer to Chinese rail workers.

No it's not. It's just a stereotypical name. It's no different than if an Asian person calls a white person "Joe".

LOL are you serious, man? Ching Chong isn't an actual Chinese name...

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#54 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]Neither would I but it's not racist.

muffincakes87

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_chong

so not racist right

Thanks for linking this before I did.

Just ignore Pirate. Either he's that ignorant or just trolling.

That's not what racism is but go ahead and ignore me if you wish.

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#55 THE_DRUGGIE
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At least we know Pirate wouldn't go calling random asian people that, so I'm satisfied.

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#56 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

I think it's actually a generalizing term from the late 1800s to refer to Chinese rail workers.

Aljosa23

No it's not. It's just a stereotypical name. It's no different than if an Asian person calls a white person "Joe".

LOL are you serious, man? Ching Chong isn't an actual Chinese name...

*facepalm* I didn't say it was. It's a cliche/stereotypical name. It is "derogatory" but that does not equate to racism.

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#57 dave123321
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

I think it's actually a generalizing term from the late 1800s to refer to Chinese rail workers.

Aljosa23

No it's not. It's just a stereotypical name. It's no different than if an Asian person calls a white person "Joe".

LOL are you serious, man? Ching Chong isn't an actual Chinese name...

i tell myself pirate is just in a silly mold right now
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#58 AcidThunder
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[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_chong

so not racist right

Pirate700

Thanks for linking this before I did.

Just ignore Pirate. Either he's that ignorant or just trolling.

That's not what racism is but go ahead and ignore me if you wish.

then what is racism?
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]No it's not. It's just a stereotypical name. It's no different than if an Asian person calls a white person "Joe".

Pirate700

LOL are you serious, man? Ching Chong isn't an actual Chinese name...

*facepalm* I didn't say it was. It's a cliche/stereotypical name. It is "derogatory" but that does not equate to racism.

You obviously implied it was if you equated it to someone being called "Joe". :|

It's certainly a racist thing but keep living in your fantasy world.

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#60 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]No it's not. It's just a stereotypical name. It's no different than if an Asian person calls a white person "Joe".

Pirate700

LOL are you serious, man? Ching Chong isn't an actual Chinese name...

*facepalm* I didn't say it was. It's a cliche/stereotypical name. It is "derogatory" but that does not equate to racism.

It's a derogatory term based on race.

...

uh...

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#61 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

Thanks for linking this before I did.

Just ignore Pirate. Either he's that ignorant or just trolling.

AcidThunder

That's not what racism is but go ahead and ignore me if you wish.

then what is racism?

Believing one race is superior to another race.
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#62 dave123321
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Anyway, wouldn't really have an issue with the firing
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#63 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

Thanks for linking this before I did.

Just ignore Pirate. Either he's that ignorant or just trolling.

AcidThunder

That's not what racism is but go ahead and ignore me if you wish.

then what is racism?

rac·ism

[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPAnoun1.abeliefordoctrinethatinherentdifferencesamongthevarioushumanracesdetermineculturalorindividualachievement,usuallyinvolvingtheideathatone'sownrace issuperiorandhastherighttoruleothers.2.apolicy,systemofgovernment,etc.,baseduponorfosteringsuchadoctrine;discrimination.3.hatredorintoleranceofanotherraceorotherraces.

 

None of that involves calling someone a joke name.

 
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#64 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]LOL are you serious, man? Ching Chong isn't an actual Chinese name...

Aljosa23

*facepalm* I didn't say it was. It's a cliche/stereotypical name. It is "derogatory" but that does not equate to racism.

You obviously implied it was if you equated it to someone being called "Joe". :|

It's certainly a racist thing but keep living in your fantasy world.

I'm living in the word of the dictionary...

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#65 dave123321
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I wouldn't call a black person p. jones
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#66 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="AcidThunder"] then what is racism?THE_DRUGGIE

rac·ism

[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPAnoun1.abeliefordoctrinethatinherentdifferencesamongthevarioushumanracesdetermineculturalorindividualachievement,usuallyinvolvingtheideathatone'sownrace issuperiorandhastherighttoruleothers.2.apolicy,systemofgovernment,etc.,baseduponorfosteringsuchadoctrine;discrimination.3.hatredorintoleranceofanotherraceorotherraces.

 

None of that involves calling someone a joke name.

 

You'd have to have an irrational hatred of someone to call them a racially demeaning name.

lol no you wouldn't.

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#67 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

rac·ism

[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPAnoun1.abeliefordoctrinethatinherentdifferencesamongthevarioushumanracesdetermineculturalorindividualachievement,usuallyinvolvingtheideathatone'sownrace issuperiorandhastherighttoruleothers.2.apolicy,systemofgovernment,etc.,baseduponorfosteringsuchadoctrine;discrimination.3.hatredorintoleranceofanotherraceorotherraces.

 

None of that involves calling someone a joke name.

 Pirate700

You'd have to have an irrational hatred of someone to call them a racially demeaning name.

lol no you wouldn't.

I appended my statement with "someone's race." But regardless of any of this, the definition you posted does not count in racial epithets. I'm guessing racial epithets are an imaginary concept to severly limit freedom of speech?

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#68 Bucked20
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If the customer was gay and the receipt said "batty boy",Im pretty sure yall would change your tone
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]*facepalm* I didn't say it was. It's a cliche/stereotypical name. It is "derogatory" but that does not equate to racism.

Pirate700

You obviously implied it was if you equated it to someone being called "Joe". :|

It's certainly a racist thing but keep living in your fantasy world.

I'm living in the word of the dictionary...

No, you're being absolutely ridiculous. "Racism" can manifest itself in a lot of ways, and one of those is derogatory namecalling. If you don't know/understand this then I have nothing else to say and you can keep denying all day long.

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#70 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

You'd have to have an irrational hatred of someone to call them a racially demeaning name.

THE_DRUGGIE

lol no you wouldn't.

I appended my statement with "someone's race." But regardless of any of this, the definition you posted does not count in racial epithets. I'm guessing racial epithets are an imaginary concept to severly limit freedom of speech?

The definition doesn't include it because it's not part of it. Derogatory term does not make something or someone racist. Whatever though...you've got the dictionary definition. You can draw whatever from it you wish.

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If the customer was gay and the receipt said "batty boy",Im pretty sure yall would change your tone Bucked20
Honestly, I've never even heard that before.

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#72 dave123321
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Anywho, how are you pirate?
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#73 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]lol no you wouldn't.

Pirate700

I appended my statement with "someone's race." But regardless of any of this, the definition you posted does not count in racial epithets. I'm guessing racial epithets are an imaginary concept to severly limit freedom of speech?

The definition doesn't include it because it's not part of it. Derogatory term does not make something or someone racist. Whatever though...you've got the dictionary definition. You can draw whatever from it you wish.

So I'm not being racist if I go throwing around the N-word at every black person I meet? Come on, man, being a literalist isn't the smart route. Racial epithets are a part of racism because they're the communicative aspect of professing a racially biased paradigm. It should take you all of five or so seconds to realize this.

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#74 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]You obviously implied it was if you equated it to someone being called "Joe". :|

It's certainly a racist thing but keep living in your fantasy world.

Aljosa23

I'm living in the word of the dictionary...

No, you're being absolutely ridiculous. "Racism" can manifest itself in a lot of ways, and one of those is derogatory namecalling. If you don't know/understand this then I have nothing else to say and you can keep denying all day long.

Without knowing the guy, I'm going to assume he just meant it as a joke. I don't think it makes the guy a racist but we can agree to disagree on this one.

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#75 muffincakes87
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In pirate's case, I should carry around a dictionary and go up to every Asian, African-American, Mexican or any other race and call them all by a racial slurr instead of their real name. If they get offended, ill just people pull out my dictionary and tell them what I'm doing is not defined as racism. I'm sure everyone will understand.:roll:

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I think the store should fire the employee for that. There's a certain degree of appropriate behavior that any employee should know not to do that they don't need special training videos for, like knowing not to crap on the floor. They're giving her a reason to sue by treating this as a slap on the wrist. That being said, while I'm sure she was initially offended, I can't imagine that another part of her wasn't thinking "payday!". In some sense not firing the employee might not have stopped a lawsuit, but it could make a difference in whether punitive damages that a jury might award, and thus affect leverage in a settlement arbitration. Same would go for any action the corporation took to address racial sensitivity issues in the workplace. After all, since one justification of a punitive damage compensation is to deter the offending party from repeating similar behavior, that deterrent would seem less necessary if it's arguable that the company took immediate and necessary measures to remedy the situation and to have already taken proactive measures to assure it won't happen again. Treating the issue on an individual basis would appear to be doing the bare minimum in addressing the issue. Immediate changes to corporate training and behavior guidelines, as well as a demonstration that such behavior will not be tolerated (i.e. firing the employee) will go a long way toward reducing punitive compensation, or any leverage in a settlement arbitration.
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Without knowing the guy, I'm going to assume he just meant it as a joke. I don't think it makes the guy a racist but we can agree to disagree on this one.

Pirate700

Well yeah I never claimed the dude was racist or anything but calling someone "ching chong" is certainly a racist thing to say. I've done stupid stuff at times but I wouldn't consider myself a stupid person. :P

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Anywho, how are you pirate?dave123321
He is being bashed right now probably not very happy
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[QUOTE="Bucked20"]If the customer was gay and the receipt said "batty boy",Im pretty sure yall would change your tone Pirate700

Honestly, I've never even heard that before.

Oh cool so I can call you one
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[QUOTE="dave123321"]Anywho, how are you pirate?Mithrandir50
He is being bashed right now probably not very happy

Pirate doesn't think much of these guys
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#81 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Without knowing the guy, I'm going to assume he just meant it as a joke. I don't think it makes the guy a racist but we can agree to disagree on this one.

Aljosa23

Well yeah I never claimed the dude was racist or anything but calling someone "ching chong" is certainly a racist thing to say. I've done stupid stuff at times but I wouldn't consider myself a stupid person. :P

Fair enough point.  I still see it as just being offensive but I get where you're coming from.

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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"] He is being bashed right now probably not very happyPirate700

Pirate doesn't think much of these guys

What are you talking about? Alj and I are bros.

Me, Pirate and Alijosa, the three amigos ... right? Guys? ....ok.
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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"] He is being bashed right now probably not very happyPirate700

Pirate doesn't think much of these guys

What are you talking about? Alj and I are bros. TheDruggie is cool too.

Aw shucks, you silly billy.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"] Pirate doesn't think much of these guysTHE_DRUGGIE

What are you talking about? Alj and I are bros. TheDruggie is cool too.

Aw shucks, you silly billy.

:lol:

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[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"] He is being bashed right now probably not very happyPirate700

Pirate doesn't think much of these guys

What are you talking about? Alj and I are bros. TheDruggie is cool too.

Kidding
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"] Pirate doesn't think much of these guysMithrandir50

What are you talking about? Alj and I are bros.

Me, Pirate and Alijosa, the three amigos ... right? Guys? ....ok.

Why dont you have your main?
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This is absurd. There is absolutely no reason for CVS to be sued. Freedom of speech means a right to make jokes about race, regardless of who they offend. At most the guy should just be fired/reprimanded by CVS as a PR move. This lawsuit is immoral.
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]What are you talking about? Alj and I are bros. dave123321
Me, Pirate and Alijosa, the three amigos ... right? Guys? ....ok.

Why dont you have your main?

Don't want it anymore. I have no mods on this account, and I have already started the bookclub in this account, so well, yeah.
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This is absurd. There is absolutely no reason for CVS to be sued. Freedom of speech means a right to make jokes about race, regardless of who they offend. At most the guy should just be fired/reprimanded by CVS as a PR move. This lawsuit is immoral.Laihendi

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of speech.

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The empolyee should certainly be interviewed.  IF that was an intentional slur, then it may be wise for them either to terminate his/her employment or at least put them through serious counseling.  I dont like having people fired even if they do make mistakes.  I'd rather not ruin someone's life, I'd rather they learn from their mistake.  Demanding that a company fire someone is pretty malicious.

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#91 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]This is absurd. There is absolutely no reason for CVS to be sued. Freedom of speech means a right to make jokes about race, regardless of who they offend. At most the guy should just be fired/reprimanded by CVS as a PR move. This lawsuit is immoral.jeremiah06
Your logic is very flawed... 1. you say anyone can make race jokes 2. you say he should be punished for making a race joke Thats a contradiction... Also freedom of speech applies people not corporations... that's why she isn't suing him...

A private organization has a right to fire any employee it wants to, unless there are some conditions it agreed to on a contract that must be met before it fires anyone. If the company fires him it is stupid, but still acceptable because no man has a right to be employed by a company that does not want him. If a corporation is not a person and therefore has no freedom of speech, then a corporation is not a person and therefore is incapable of speech. A consistent application of your reasoning results in the idea that a corporation is not a person, and therefore cannot be represented in the judicial system. A corporation is not a person, and therefore cannot be sued. That is, of course, absurd. Corporations are made up of people. If you sue a corporation, then you sue the people who constitute that corporation. The people who constitute that corporation have freedom of speech guaranteed by the first amendment. This lawsuit is unconstitutional.
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#92 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]This is absurd. There is absolutely no reason for CVS to be sued. Freedom of speech means a right to make jokes about race, regardless of who they offend. At most the guy should just be fired/reprimanded by CVS as a PR move. This lawsuit is immoral.jeremiah06
Your logic is very flawed... 1. you say anyone can make race jokes 2. you say he should be punished for making a race joke Thats a contradiction... Also freedom of speech applies people not corporations... that's why she isn't suing him...

Freedom of speech does not protect you against lawsuits. You can be sued for libel or various other things - regardless of whether you are a person or a corporation. However, her lawyer wouldn't wast time on suing the person responsible for the slur. She is suing the company because they have money and this individual clerk likely does not.
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#93 lamprey263
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I'm curious whether the employee who cashed her out and gave her the photos is even the one that inputted the information into the computer. For instance what if a separate employee that took her roll of film inputted that information into the computer, then when the women came back to get her photos the receipt was automatically going to print out like that unknown to the employee that handed off the photos.
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#94 Rattlesnake_8
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lol a million dollars for a racial slur that has been used a billion times over.. sure she should take offense if it was indeed intended as an insult.. but a million dollars? lol I want someone to be racist against me if thats how much you can get.
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#95 whipassmt
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Well I wouldn't call random asian people "Ching Chong."

THE_DRUGGIE

Neither would I but it's not racist.

I think it's actually a generalizing term from the late 1800s to refer to Chinese rail workers.

Yeah. The term originated as an imitation of the Chinese language.

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#96 whipassmt
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[QUOTE="Bucked20"]If the customer was gay and the receipt said "batty boy",Im pretty sure yall would change your tone Pirate700

Honestly, I've never even heard that before.

I don't think I've heard of that either. I thought the phrase "batty" meant crazy.

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#97 whipassmt
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I'm curious whether the employee who cashed her out and gave her the photos is even the one that inputted the information into the computer. For instance what if a separate employee that took her roll of film inputted that information into the computer, then when the women came back to get her photos the receipt was automatically going to print out like that unknown to the employee that handed off the photos.lamprey263
Good point, I hadn't thought of that. Who knows maybe it was a computer glitch that caused it to print out like that.

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#98 whipassmt
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]This is absurd. There is absolutely no reason for CVS to be sued. Freedom of speech means a right to make jokes about race, regardless of who they offend. At most the guy should just be fired/reprimanded by CVS as a PR move. This lawsuit is immoral.jeremiah06
Your logic is very flawed... 1. you say anyone can make race jokes 2. you say he should be punished for making a race joke Thats a contradiction... Also freedom of speech applies people not corporations... that's why she isn't suing him...

Actually I think freedom of speech does apply to corporations and other organizations. Technically corporations have legal personhood. If people have rights as individuals, they do not lose those rights when they form groups together.

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#99 Solid_Snake325
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How is the company liable? It's their decision whether they want to fire their employee. At the most he violated their policies. It's not illegal. I find this hilarious. It's idiots like this woman who ruin our justice system.
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#100 coolbeans90
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ching chong ping pong toyota