Women Marines?

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]

I guess I'm just relieved to know that it's "dependant upon her value to the force" then.

You do know that no form of birth control works 100% of the time, right? Pregnancy still has a rare chance of occurence even if the female is responsible.

dhyce

Precisely, often times when a soldiers case is reviewed the result depends heavily upon how well they do their job, as it should be.

Of course I know there is no 100% full proof method of birth control. But you know what also works? Not having sex. Again, so I do not repeat a landslide of illogic against what I'm saying, I'm not suggesting a female soldier at any point in her life having a chiold is irresponsible; I'm saying it is when it will knowingly compromise her ability to perform her job. I know, accidents happen, but that doesn't mean responsible action cannot be planned and discussed as soon as you know of the pregnancy.

so you believe that a women should stop everything and then get pregnant ok. Also what do you mean by "responsible" actions I mean do you want them to et an abortion just because the are in combat or something else. Also having sex is not an option to most people sex is a normal drive and it happens in the military between soilders and so forth so just because of ones job they should stop having sex all together... I feel like your solutions are a bit unrealistic also having respect for ones fellow soilder has nothing to do with sex I mean people are going to have sex...

Wait, you're actually arguing that women, on the whole, are just as strong as men? Political correctness is great and all, but that is absurd. Everybody knows that women are physically, inherently weaker. There are certainly some anomalies, but there is a pretty lucid trend here. There is a reason that there are different physical fitness scales for men and women in each of the services and, even though they are body weight exercises, almost categorically women cannot compare to men in physical fitness. This isn't even referring to load bearing exercises.

xXBuffJeffXx

lulz, internet argument mode rawr.

I'm discussing how women can easily become very fit and strong. So to say they're weak is not a valid reason they should be left from the marines, they just need to train a bit harder.

All I'm saying is, if a woman has the drive and discipline to become a marine, I believe they should be allowed the opportunity.

[QUOTE="xXBuffJeffXx"]

Wait, you're actually arguing that women, on the whole, are just as strong as men? Political correctness is great and all, but that is absurd. Everybody knows that women are physically, inherently weaker. There are certainly some anomalies, but there is a pretty lucid trend here. There is a reason that there are different physical fitness scales for men and women in each of the services and, even though they are body weight exercises, almost categorically women cannot compare to men in physical fitness. This isn't even referring to load bearing exercises.

dhyce

lulz, internet argument mode rawr.

I'm discussing how women can easily become very fit and strong. So to say they're weak is not a valid reason they should be left from the marines, they just need to train a bit harder.

All I'm saying is, if a woman has the drive and discipline to become a marine, I believe they should be allowed the opportunity.

Yes but that doesn't make them just as strong as men it's makes them stronger than the average female.

Yes but that doesn't make them just as strong as men it's makes them stronger than the average female.

observer77

I don't really see your point, to be perfectly honest. A woman should be denied the ability to become a marine simply on the grounds that they MAY be less physically strong than the majority of the men? Ok then, that's your opinion I guess, I don't feel that way so let's agree to disagree.

My discussion of the whole pregnancy matter can be thrown to the wind because honestly, I don't know the laws. I'm just making stuff up based on how I feel, I've never researched the matter, though I probably will soon in case I ever find myself in this discussion again. I apologize I couldn't debate on knowledgeable ground, believe me, I'd love to.

[QUOTE="observer77"]

Yes but that doesn't make them just as strong as men it's makes them stronger than the average female.

dhyce

I don't really see your point, to be perfectly honest. A woman should be denied the ability to become a marine simply on the grounds that they MAY be less physically strong than the majority of the men? Ok then, that's your opinion I guess, I don't feel that way so let's agree to disagree.

My discussion of the whole pregnancy matter can be thrown to the wind because honestly, I don't know the laws. I'm just making stuff up based on how I feel, I've never researched the matter, though I probably will soon in case I ever find myself in this discussion again. I apologize I couldn't debate on knowledgeable ground, believe me, I'd love to.

what no I NEVER said women shouldn't be allowed in the marines just in combat.

here I was just stating that the above guy said you had siad that women were AS strong as men and your answer did not prove that they were only that they were stronger than the average female.

Also you were talking to like 3 of us I simpley came in when what's his face started saying women were weak and such and tried to show him how to prove a point without being so bluntly rude about it like he was.

Women should not serve in combat. This is an army entrusted with defending our country, not a politically correct circus. In West Point, even the STRONGEST women barely compete with the weakest men physically on the standardized tests. The presence of woman would lower "combat readiness" among the soldiers. I mean the list goes on.

Not to mention the problem of hygiene. Soldiers have to be prepared to stay out on the field for days at a time. Women could menstruate during that time, require more genital maintenance, ect..

This is just a joke.

I also mentioned that women are not inherently as physically strong as men tend to be. I just feel (again) with proper discipline and training there's no reason they can't be more than physically capable of performing the tasks demanded of them as a marine.

Sorry, miscommunication.

I also mentioned that women are not inherently as physically strong as men tend to be. I just feel (again) with proper discipline and training there's no reason they can't be more than physically capable of performing the tasks demanded of them as a marine.

Sorry, miscommunication.

dhyce

I also mentioned that women are not inherently as physically strong as men tend to be. I just feel (again) with proper discipline and training there's no reason they can't be more than physically capable of performing the tasks demanded of them as a marine.

Sorry, miscommunication.

dhyce

yeah I understand waht your saying and so does the US goverment and that's why women are allowed in the marines but they also agree with me on them not/ shouldn't be llwoed in combat so in the end we both win

[QUOTE="dhyce"]

I also mentioned that women are not inherently as physically strong as men tend to be. I just feel (again) with proper discipline and training there's no reason they can't be more than physically capable of performing the tasks demanded of them as a marine.

Sorry, miscommunication.

Schnauzerz

ok for one the tests are different because the military understands that women are physially different then men and another thing many of the military in Iraq are there because of male testing standards having been lowered and are getting close to female standards as well.