I've been thinking about how messed up this country is. The conservatives are right about getting people on the right track, but the liberals are also right about how people should be equal. Communist governments always do good. Except for Cuba. Anyway, don't you think that we would we better off as communists? There would be no rich or poor. Students my age will be able to graduate without all of the pressure. Yes, it is kind of messed up to work hard only to get the same pay as everyone else, but the government can take care of you. Post your thoughts here.
I've been thinking about how messed up this country is. The conservatives are right about getting people on the right track, but the liberals are also right about how people should be equal. Communist governments always do good. Except for Cuba. Anyway, don't you think that we would we better off as communists? There would be no rich or poor. Students my age will be able to graduate without all of the pressure. Yes, it is kind of messed up to work hard only to get the same pay as everyone else, but the government can take care of you. Post your thoughts here.ChaoticThief
you're all equal in a communist gov't. but you're also all equally opressed.
no, in communist country, as seen in past examples, government cannot take care of you. In theory it has to, but remember, it has to take care of everyone, and that means massive economic and budget pressure. And USA have that without being communist already. Turn yourself into communist now, expect massive famine. and personally we don't want a commie country south of our border :P
[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"]I've been thinking about how messed up this country is. The conservatives are right about getting people on the right track, but the liberals are also right about how people should be equal. Communist governments always do good. Except for Cuba. Anyway, don't you think that we would we better off as communists? There would be no rich or poor. Students my age will be able to graduate without all of the pressure. Yes, it is kind of messed up to work hard only to get the same pay as everyone else, but the government can take care of you. Post your thoughts here.rowzzr
you're all equal in a communist gov't. but you're also all equally opressed. Yeah, technically by each other.
Of course communism wouldn't work in the US, the US is all about competition and beating the other person, nothing like communism, the opposite. The general populace needs a mentallity of "do it for the sake of advancing society" in order for communism to work, not 'do it because it makes money'. Things good for EVERYBODY don't generate profit, so why do it.
On paper, Communism works well. In execution, not so much.
Legendaryscmt
This, while communism is a good mantra, in practice it is tough to have complete control. (even china is now becoming lenient on economic privatization.)
I don't know about that but I do strongly believe that America would be better off if the welfare state was expanded and there was more unionization in the workforce.
[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"]I've been thinking about how messed up this country is. The conservatives are right about getting people on the right track, but the liberals are also right about how people should be equal. Communist governments always do good. Except for Cuba. Anyway, don't you think that we would we better off as communists? There would be no rich or poor. Students my age will be able to graduate without all of the pressure. Yes, it is kind of messed up to work hard only to get the same pay as everyone else, but the government can take care of you. Post your thoughts here.rowzzr
you're all equal in a communist gov't. but you're also all equally opressed. I know that countries like the USSR and Cuba didn't do too good, but not all communists believe in oppressing people. Many communist groups are also based on socialism. Hitler did some good for his people. Please note that I am not a Nazi. What I'm saying is that not every communist is harsh. True communist leaders did not shoot people for differring their views from the gov't, but at the same time, they still had the socialist policies. If there is a difference between communism and socialism, I would love to know. Thanks for your opinion.
[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"]I've been thinking about how messed up this country is. The conservatives are right about getting people on the right track, but the liberals are also right about how people should be equal. Communist governments always do good. Except for Cuba. Anyway, don't you think that we would we better off as communists? There would be no rich or poor. Students my age will be able to graduate without all of the pressure. Yes, it is kind of messed up to work hard only to get the same pay as everyone else, but the government can take care of you. Post your thoughts here.rowzzr
you're all equal in a communist gov't. but you're also all equally opressed. No, politicians will still line their pockets. And to the OP, Communism assumes people will be always willing to work towards mediocrity.. Let's say you became a doctor so you could someday buy a luscious Ferrari 458... Not in Communism, get a 10 year old car like everyone else. No incentive to try. It's really, a Horrible system.
I don't know about that but I do strongly believe that America would be better off if the welfare state was expanded and there was more unionization in the workforce. -Sun_Tzu-
Absolutely. I, for one, would love the government to pay my bills.
[QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="ChaoticThief"]I've been thinking about how messed up this country is. The conservatives are right about getting people on the right track, but the liberals are also right about how people should be equal. Communist governments always do good. Except for Cuba. Anyway, don't you think that we would we better off as communists? There would be no rich or poor. Students my age will be able to graduate without all of the pressure. Yes, it is kind of messed up to work hard only to get the same pay as everyone else, but the government can take care of you. Post your thoughts here.ChaoticThief
you're all equal in a communist gov't. but you're also all equally opressed. I know that countries like the USSR and Cuba didn't do too good, but not all communists believe in oppressing people. Many communist groups are also based on socialism. Hitler did some good for his people. Please note that I am not a Nazi. What I'm saying is that not every communist is harsh. True communist leaders did not shoot people for differring their views from the gov't, but at the same time, they still had the socialist policies. If there is a difference between communism and socialism, I would love to know. Thanks for your opinion.
I don't know about that but I do strongly believe that America would be better off if the welfare state was expanded and there was more unionization in the workforce. -Sun_Tzu-
I'm sorry but more often than not a union is for losers, users, and abusers as far as I'm concerned.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't know about that but I do strongly believe that America would be better off if the welfare state was expanded and there was more unionization in the workforce. xscrapzx
I'm sorry but more often than not a union is for losers, users, and abusers as far as I'm concerned.
Um what? The middle class wouldn't exist if it weren't for organized labor. I suggest you study the gilded age and the eras following it.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't know about that but I do strongly believe that America would be better off if the welfare state was expanded and there was more unionization in the workforce. LJS9502_basic
Absolutely. I, for one, would love the government to pay my bills. I would love that too, but right now I'm more concerned about the government making sure that everyone has access to things like quality health care, knows when their next meal is going to be, and has the opportunity to get a decent job and live a decent life.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't know about that but I do strongly believe that America would be better off if the welfare state was expanded and there was more unionization in the workforce. LJS9502_basic
Absolutely. I, for one, would love the government to pay my bills.
Why would it pay your bills under what he's proposing? He essentially wants us to be more like Western Europe or Canada.
[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"][QUOTE="rowzzr"] you're all equal in a communist gov't. but you're also all equally opressed.cd_rom
I know that countries like the USSR and Cuba didn't do too good, but not all communists believe in oppressing people. Many communist groups are also based on socialism. Hitler did some good for his people. Please note that I am not a Nazi. What I'm saying is that not every communist is harsh. True communist leaders did not shoot people for differring their views from the gov't, but at the same time, they still had the socialist policies. If there is a difference between communism and socialism, I would love to know. Thanks for your opinion.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't know about that but I do strongly believe that America would be better off if the welfare state was expanded and there was more unionization in the workforce. -Sun_Tzu-
Absolutely. I, for one, would love the government to pay my bills. I would love that too, but right now I'm more concerned about the government making sure that everyone has access to things like quality health care, knows when their next meal is going to be, and has the opportunity to get a decent job and live a decent life. And the individual bears no responsibility? I should have to provide for them because?
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't know about that but I do strongly believe that America would be better off if the welfare state was expanded and there was more unionization in the workforce. Former_Slacker
Absolutely. I, for one, would love the government to pay my bills.
Why would it pay your bills under what he's proposing? He essentially wants us to be more like Western Europe or Canada.
I'm sorry but there are better ways to fix a country than continue free handouts. They haven't worked.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't know about that but I do strongly believe that America would be better off if the welfare state was expanded and there was more unionization in the workforce. Former_Slacker
Absolutely. I, for one, would love the government to pay my bills.
Why would it pay your bills under what he's proposing? He essentially wants us to be more like Western Europe or Canada.
[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"] I know that countries like the USSR and Cuba didn't do too good, but not all communists believe in oppressing people. Many communist groups are also based on socialism. Hitler did some good for his people. Please note that I am not a Nazi. What I'm saying is that not every communist is harsh. True communist leaders did not shoot people for differring their views from the gov't, but at the same time, they still had the socialist policies. If there is a difference between communism and socialism, I would love to know. Thanks for your opinion. ChaoticThief
Socialism =/= Communism.
For that matter, Nazi's were not socialist.
Nazi= National Socialist Party
DPRK= Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Names mean nothing. Look at their policies. They were decided fascist, the opposite of communism.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Absolutely. I, for one, would love the government to pay my bills. I would love that too, but right now I'm more concerned about the government making sure that everyone has access to things like quality health care, knows when their next meal is going to be, and has the opportunity to get a decent job and live a decent life. And the individual bears no responsibility? I should have to provide for them because? The individual bears a varying degree of responsibility (depending on the individual of course), but you'd be kidding yourself if you think that a meritocracy can emerge from a society where there isn't any sort of welfare state or safety net. There are very real structural reasons for why individuals are poor.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I would love that too, but right now I'm more concerned about the government making sure that everyone has access to things like quality health care, knows when their next meal is going to be, and has the opportunity to get a decent job and live a decent life. And the individual bears no responsibility? I should have to provide for them because? The individual bears a varying degree of responsibility (depending on the individual of course), but you'd be kidding yourself if you think that a meritocracy can emerge from a society where there isn't any sort of welfare state or safety net. There are very real structural reasons for why individuals are poor. There's a difference between a temporary help until one gets on one's feet...and continued handouts. And you are promoting increasing what we already have. What happens to a country when the wealthy tax base is tapped out paying for all these welfare programs for the poor....and increasing these programs will bring about the demise of the middle cIass. It's better to fix problems BUT have individuals responsible for their own livelihood....which IS the adult way to live. Note; Obviously the disabled are a different matter altogether.
[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"][QUOTE="rowzzr"] you're all equal in a communist gov't. but you're also all equally opressed.cd_rom
I know that countries like the USSR and Cuba didn't do too good, but not all communists believe in oppressing people. Many communist groups are also based on socialism. Hitler did some good for his people. Please note that I am not a Nazi. What I'm saying is that not every communist is harsh. True communist leaders did not shoot people for differring their views from the gov't, but at the same time, they still had the socialist policies. If there is a difference between communism and socialism, I would love to know. Thanks for your opinion.
Socialism =/= Communism.
For that matter, Nazi's were not socialist.
Actually, the kind of were. They had many things run by the state, including socialized healthcare. The Nazis didn't create fascism and weren't real fascists. The Nazis and Communist were fighting for the same people, the "working class".
[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"] I know that countries like the USSR and Cuba didn't do too good, but not all communists believe in oppressing people. Many communist groups are also based on socialism. Hitler did some good for his people. Please note that I am not a Nazi. What I'm saying is that not every communist is harsh. True communist leaders did not shoot people for differring their views from the gov't, but at the same time, they still had the socialist policies. If there is a difference between communism and socialism, I would love to know. Thanks for your opinion. SpartanMSU
Socialism =/= Communism.
For that matter, Nazi's were not socialist.
Actually, the kind of were. They had many things run by the state, including socialized healthcare. The Nazis didn't create fascism and weren't real fascists. The Nazis and Communist were fighting for the same people, the "working class".
Plus, Nazi Germany was about to rise back up to a decent status. Then they lost Berlin. Like I said, this is just an opinion poll.
Actually, the kind of were. They had many things run by the state, including socialized healthcare. The Nazis didn't create fascism and weren't real fascists. The Nazis and Communist were fighting for the same people, the "working class".
Plus, Nazi Germany was about to rise back up to a decent status. Then they lost Berlin. Like I said, this is just an opinion poll. What does Germany have to do with communism? Germany was never communist. And no...I'm not counting the fact that the allies gave the USSR East Germany......terrible thing to do by the way.
[QUOTE="ChaoticThief"] I know that countries like the USSR and Cuba didn't do too good, but not all communists believe in oppressing people. Many communist groups are also based on socialism. Hitler did some good for his people. Please note that I am not a Nazi. What I'm saying is that not every communist is harsh. True communist leaders did not shoot people for differring their views from the gov't, but at the same time, they still had the socialist policies. If there is a difference between communism and socialism, I would love to know. Thanks for your opinion. SpartanMSU
Socialism =/= Communism.
For that matter, Nazi's were not socialist.
Actually, the kind of were. They had many things run by the state, including socialized healthcare. The Nazis didn't create fascism and weren't real fascists. The Nazis and Communist were fighting for the same people, the "working class".
Nazis were anti-modernist, so if anything, they wanted everyone to be farmers in the end.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] And the individual bears no responsibility? I should have to provide for them because? The individual bears a varying degree of responsibility (depending on the individual of course), but you'd be kidding yourself if you think that a meritocracy can emerge from a society where there isn't any sort of welfare state or safety net. There are very real structural reasons for why individuals are poor. There's a difference between a temporary help until one gets on one's feet...and continued handouts. And you are promoting increasing what we already have. What happens to a country when the wealthy tax base is tapped out paying for all these welfare programs for the poor....and increasing these programs will bring about the demise of the middle cIass. It's better to fix problems BUT have individuals responsible for their own livelihood....which IS the adult way to live. Note; Obviously the disabled are a different matter altogether. I am not promoting continued handouts, nor am I promoting increasing what we already have. I don't like the way the welfare state is structured in the U.S. But it's been demonstrated time and time again that poverty rates go down significantly when the federal government spends money on programs that alleviate the suffering of the poor.
I actually find the mere idea of communism oppressing. I'm the kind of person who likes to have long term goals and something to work towards. I like to build up towards life goals.
See, the problem is that there has never been a true communist nation and there never will be. Communism sounds good on paper, but it's just not feasible in the real world since it runs counter to basic human instinct.
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