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Would the U.S. be better able to respond to the situation in Syria if we still had some troops in Iraq? I've kind of thought about this since the early days of the Syrian Civil War, that if the U.S. had kept some troops in Iraq we could use those troops to patrol the Iraqi-Syrian border and have more leverage with the Iraqi government and we could intercept the tranfer of Iranian weapons to Syria.

Yesterday on Fox News, Lt. Col. Allen West (who himself commanded a brigade in Iraq) also made this same point, that the U.S. should've kept a residual force in Iraq and that with that force we could intercept some of the Iranian weapons that are going to Assad through Iraq.

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Would the U.S. be better able to respond to the situation in Syria if we still had some troops in Iraq? I've kind of thought about this since the early days of the Syrian Civil War, that if the U.S. had kept some troops in Iraq we could use those troops to patrol the Iraqi-Syrian border and have more leverage with the Iraqi government and we could intercept the tranfer of Iranian weapons to Syria.

Yesterday on Fox News, Lt. Col. Allen West (who himself commanded a brigade in Iraq) also made this same point, that the U.S. should've kept a residual force in Iraq and that with that force we could intercept some of the Iranian weapons that are going to Assad through Iraq.

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Iraq didn't want a residual US troop presence.
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

Would the U.S. be better able to respond to the situation in Syria if we still had some troops in Iraq? I've kind of thought about this since the early days of the Syrian Civil War, that if the U.S. had kept some troops in Iraq we could use those troops to patrol the Iraqi-Syrian border and have more leverage with the Iraqi government and we could intercept the tranfer of Iranian weapons to Syria.

Yesterday on Fox News, Lt. Col. Allen West (who himself commanded a brigade in Iraq) also made this same point, that the U.S. should've kept a residual force in Iraq and that with that force we could intercept some of the Iranian weapons that are going to Assad through Iraq.

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Iraq didn't want a residual US troop presence.

We didn't want to stay either.....
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we'd be better able to respond to the situation in Syria if we weren't arming the rebels, they're radical jihadists set to destabilize the region if they overthrow the secular government that protects religious minorities and prohibits religious parties in government, if you think the 100,000+ dead so far is a lot then it's going to be a hell of a lot more in the ensuing power vacuum, and what will emerge is a theocratic Islamic republic who won't be concerned about rebuilding the country, employing people with jobs, providing food and educational resources, instead we'll get the leadership of warlords whose only governing goal will be some "destroy Israel" saber rattling
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

Would the U.S. be better able to respond to the situation in Syria if we still had some troops in Iraq? I've kind of thought about this since the early days of the Syrian Civil War, that if the U.S. had kept some troops in Iraq we could use those troops to patrol the Iraqi-Syrian border and have more leverage with the Iraqi government and we could intercept the tranfer of Iranian weapons to Syria.

Yesterday on Fox News, Lt. Col. Allen West (who himself commanded a brigade in Iraq) also made this same point, that the U.S. should've kept a residual force in Iraq and that with that force we could intercept some of the Iranian weapons that are going to Assad through Iraq.

Master_Live

Iraq didn't want a residual US troop presence.

Though I saw a few weeks ago on the Fox News crawler/ticker (the little text that goes across the bottom of the screen), that the Iraqi Foreign Minister wants drones and military advisors to improve Iraq's intelligence gathering capabilities so they can better deal with Al Qaeda in Iraq.

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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]

Would the U.S. be better able to respond to the situation in Syria if we still had some troops in Iraq? I've kind of thought about this since the early days of the Syrian Civil War, that if the U.S. had kept some troops in Iraq we could use those troops to patrol the Iraqi-Syrian border and have more leverage with the Iraqi government and we could intercept the tranfer of Iranian weapons to Syria.

Yesterday on Fox News, Lt. Col. Allen West (who himself commanded a brigade in Iraq) also made this same point, that the U.S. should've kept a residual force in Iraq and that with that force we could intercept some of the Iranian weapons that are going to Assad through Iraq.

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Iraq didn't want a residual US troop presence.

We didn't want to stay either.....

Not true, Obama administration try to negotiate for a residual force presence but couldn't get it done.
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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Master_Live"] Iraq didn't want a residual US troop presence.

We didn't want to stay either.....

Not true, Obama administration try to negotiate for a residual force presence but couldn't get it done.

I wasn't aware that we meant only one person.:|
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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]We didn't want to stay either.....LJS9502_basic
Not true, Obama administration try to negotiate for a residual force presence but couldn't get it done.

I wasn't aware that we meant only one person.:|

What are you talking about?
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I'm not sure you need troops for war anymore. Last I heard it's just like playstation thanks to the drones.

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we'd be better able to respond to the situation in Syria if we weren't arming the rebels, they're radical jihadists set to destabilize the region if they overthrow the secular government that protects religious minorities and prohibits religious parties in government, if you think the 100,000+ dead so far is a lot then it's going to be a hell of a lot more in the ensuing power vacuum, and what will emerge is a theocratic Islamic republic who won't be concerned about rebuilding the country, employing people with jobs, providing food and educational resources, instead we'll get the leadership of warlords whose only governing goal will be some "destroy Israel" saber rattlinglamprey263
These are all the exact same things that are happening in Libya, what were and still are happening in Egypt, and will happen in Syria if Assad and his Ba'ath party fall. It seems that whenever there are uprisings in the Mid-East against non-theocratical governments, this administration supports and funds them, but back in 2009 with the Iranian uprisings, the Obama administration did nothing. It's become painfully obvious that this administration is either so myopic that they can't understand what happens following revolutions in the Mid-East, that what fills the void of power is Radical Islamic warlords or that the administration is aware that will be the result and follows through with destabilizing actions anyway because they share the same ideologies as the warlords. The worst, most frightening possible answer is the latter.
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^^^^The Obama Administration is imploding and if they lose this vote it will be catastrophic for them.
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]we'd be better able to respond to the situation in Syria if we weren't arming the rebels, they're radical jihadists set to destabilize the region if they overthrow the secular government that protects religious minorities and prohibits religious parties in government, if you think the 100,000+ dead so far is a lot then it's going to be a hell of a lot more in the ensuing power vacuum, and what will emerge is a theocratic Islamic republic who won't be concerned about rebuilding the country, employing people with jobs, providing food and educational resources, instead we'll get the leadership of warlords whose only governing goal will be some "destroy Israel" saber rattlingTruthTellers
These are all the exact same things that are happening in Libya, what were and still are happening in Egypt, and will happen in Syria if Assad and his Ba'ath party fall. It seems that whenever there are uprisings in the Mid-East against non-theocratical governments, this administration supports and funds them, but back in 2009 with the Iranian uprisings, the Obama administration did nothing. It's become painfully obvious that this administration is either so myopic that they can't understand what happens following revolutions in the Mid-East, that what fills the void of power is Radical Islamic warlords or that the administration is aware that will be the result and follows through with destabilizing actions anyway because they share the same ideologies as the warlords. The worst, most frightening possible answer is the latter.

I don't think it's that they share the same ideologies. Suggesting that is pretty dumb, but there definitely has to be some motive for them to keep doing this. There is no way the government doesn't recognize what has been going on.
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^^^^The Obama Administration is imploding and if they lose this vote it will be catastrophic for them. Master_Live
Maybe for the approval ratings, but not their foreign policy. The Obama Administration is going to attack Syria whether it gets a yea or nay and in doing so will set a dangerous precedent of rouge administrations acting on their own without the Consent of the Governed and if both houses of Congress do vote for authorization, that will also set another precedent that whenever chemical weapons are used on innocent civilians, the US will use its military in retaliation. Let's hope Russia or China don't do anything silly in the future.
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I'm not sure you need troops for war anymore. Last I heard it's just like playstation thanks to the drones.

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I think thats part of the reason why wars are becoming so common now. Back in the days when you had a war, A lot of people died and suffered, so leaders generally tried to avoid them. Nowadays you just pick up your joystick and bomb the living crap out of an entire country. Sure, many people die, but they aren't American so its ok! At least that's how I think the US leadership's thought process works :?
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why do we need troops? we're just going to bomb the shit out of them.

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If Alan West says it, it has to be true.

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If Alan West says it, it has to be true.

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what about Adam West?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Master_Live"] Iraq didn't want a residual US troop presence. Master_Live
We didn't want to stay either.....

Not true, Obama administration try to negotiate for a residual force presence but couldn't get it done.

Nah, both us and the Iraqis (government anyways) wanted forces to remain, we just couldn't agree to the status of forces agreement that would put our troops under the jurisdiction of Iraqi courts for criminal trials.

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we should have troops in every country around the world. just in case.
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[QUOTE="TruthTellers"] Maybe for the approval ratings, but not their foreign policy. The Obama Administration is going to attack Syria whether it gets a yea or nay and in doing so will set a dangerous precedent of rouge administrations acting on their own without the Consent of the Governed and if both houses of Congress do vote for authorization, that will also set another precedent that whenever chemical weapons are used on innocent civilians, the US will use its military in retaliation. Let's hope Russia or China don't do anything silly in the future.

The foreign policy of this administration is beyond laughable. Part of me thinks they throw darts at the wall and whatever hits is where they act. His actions in the Middle East have been completely inconsistent and at times, bizarre. If there was a prize for picking the losers, he'd have a four foot high trophy.

Right now the administration is more concerned with how we are viewed by the world rather than doing the right thing which is what we the people decide. The Middle East will always be a hot bed when you have power hungry voodoo followers hell bent on domination and there is nothing we can do to stop such thinking.

Our government likes to give the impression as being morally pure and able to act like the moral authority of the globe but the past atrocities of our government suggest otherwise.

Mr. Obama is in over his head and being a narcissist will not admit he is in the wrong. You hear him passing the blame on the so-called red line. He is in for a rude awakening if Russia decides to play hardball and god help him if China screws with us monetarily.

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You should have never invaded Iraq in the first place.

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[QUOTE="TruthTellers"] Maybe for the approval ratings, but not their foreign policy. The Obama Administration is going to attack Syria whether it gets a yea or nay and in doing so will set a dangerous precedent of rouge administrations acting on their own without the Consent of the Governed and if both houses of Congress do vote for authorization, that will also set another precedent that whenever chemical weapons are used on innocent civilians, the US will use its military in retaliation. Let's hope Russia or China don't do anything silly in the future.Solaryellow
The foreign policy of this administration is beyond laughable. Part of me thinks they throw darts at the wall and whatever hits is where they act. His actions in the Middle East have been completely inconsistent and at times, bizarre. If there was a prize for picking the losers, he'd have a four foot high trophy.

 

Right now the administration is more concerned with how we are viewed by the world rather than doing the right thing which is what we the people decide. The Middle East will always be a hot bed when you have power hungry voodoo followers hell bent on domination and there is nothing we can do to stop such thinking.

 

Our government likes to give the impression as being morally pure and able to act like the moral authority of the globe but the past atrocities of our government suggest otherwise.

Mr. Obama is in over his head and being a narcissist will not admit he is in the wrong. You hear him passing the blame on the so-called red line. He is in for a rude awakening if Russia decides to play hardball and god help him if China screws with us monetarily.

Holy crap....... I'll agree your government is'nt doing "the right thing", but international relations certainly is'nt a point of focus either...

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[QUOTE="Master_Live"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]We didn't want to stay either.....Squeets

Not true, Obama administration try to negotiate for a residual force presence but couldn't get it done.

Nah, both us and the Iraqis (government anyways) wanted forces to remain, we just couldn't agree to the status of forces agreement that would put our troops under the jurisdiction of Iraqi courts for criminal trials.

aka: they couldn't get it done since both parties knew no US forces would remain without local immunity. Basically Iraq told the US they weren't welcome anymore.
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Holy crap....... I'll agree your government is'nt doing "the right thing", but international relations certainly is'nt a point of focus either...

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Listen to what the administration is saying. They have to strike Syria because the world will perceive them as weak and giving a free pass to the use of chemical weapons. Constantly we've heard a phrase along the lines of "what will the rest of the world think?"
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[QUOTE="MlauTheDaft"]

Holy crap....... I'll agree your government is'nt doing "the right thing", but international relations certainly is'nt a point of focus either...

Solaryellow

Listen to what the administration is saying. They have to strike Syria because the world will perceive them as weak and giving a free pass to the use of chemical weapons. Constantly we've heard a phrase along the lines of "what will the rest of the world think?"

We already think that your country will do whatever it pleases. Personally, I'm downright afraid of the US. 

Edit:

This post might just have litterally tagged me as a potential threat.

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we should have troops in every country around the world. just in case.comp_atkins
just build a space station and send 'space marines' anywhere on earth in 5min
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^^^^The Obama Administration is imploding and if they lose this vote it will be catastrophic for them. Master_Live

America is imploding, it doesn't matter what your so called "Prez" does.  This is only one of many things to happen during the downfall of the U.S.  If the "Prez" is the leader of the free world  I ask one question.  "Why Y'all act like sheep?"

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we'd be better able to respond to the situation in Syria if we weren't arming the rebels, they're radical jihadists set to destabilize the region if they overthrow the secular government that protects religious minorities and prohibits religious parties in government, if you think the 100,000+ dead so far is a lot then it's going to be a hell of a lot more in the ensuing power vacuum, and what will emerge is a theocratic Islamic republic who won't be concerned about rebuilding the country, employing people with jobs, providing food and educational resources, instead we'll get the leadership of warlords whose only governing goal will be some "destroy Israel" saber rattlinglamprey263

SHUT UP EVIL DICTATOR SOMETHING SOMETHING GOBAMA HES AWESUM

 

 

 

 

 

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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]we'd be better able to respond to the situation in Syria if we weren't arming the rebels, they're radical jihadists set to destabilize the region if they overthrow the secular government that protects religious minorities and prohibits religious parties in government, if you think the 100,000+ dead so far is a lot then it's going to be a hell of a lot more in the ensuing power vacuum, and what will emerge is a theocratic Islamic republic who won't be concerned about rebuilding the country, employing people with jobs, providing food and educational resources, instead we'll get the leadership of warlords whose only governing goal will be some "destroy Israel" saber rattlingLordQuorthon

SHUT UP EVIL DICTATOR SOMETHING SOMETHING GOBAMA HES AWESUM

 

 

 

 

 

 LOL, he was talking about losing less Human life and moving a country forward...   Iamprey... you evil bastard you!

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[QUOTE="TruthTellers"] Maybe for the approval ratings, but not their foreign policy. The Obama Administration is going to attack Syria whether it gets a yea or nay and in doing so will set a dangerous precedent of rouge administrations acting on their own without the Consent of the Governed and if both houses of Congress do vote for authorization, that will also set another precedent that whenever chemical weapons are used on innocent civilians, the US will use its military in retaliation. Let's hope Russia or China don't do anything silly in the future.Solaryellow
The foreign policy of this administration is beyond laughable. Part of me thinks they throw darts at the wall and whatever hits is where they act. His actions in the Middle East have been completely inconsistent and at times, bizarre. If there was a prize for picking the losers, he'd have a four foot high trophy.

Right now the administration is more concerned with how we are viewed by the world rather than doing the right thing which is what we the people decide. The Middle East will always be a hot bed when you have power hungry voodoo followers hell bent on domination and there is nothing we can do to stop such thinking.

Our government likes to give the impression as being morally pure and able to act like the moral authority of the globe but the past atrocities of our government suggest otherwise.

Mr. Obama is in over his head and being a narcissist will not admit he is in the wrong. You hear him passing the blame on the so-called red line. He is in for a rude awakening if Russia decides to play hardball and god help him if China screws with us monetarily.

To be honest I don't think Obama's foreign policy has been too great. I would have to say that the U.S. is overall in a weaker geo-political situation now than when Bush left office. Not only are we weaker in the Middle-East, but I think our relationship with Russia has suffered a bit. Though of course it is debatable how much of this is due to circumstances and how much is due to our government's policies.

That being said I don't think what "we the people" decide is always the right thing, in some cases the government may be better off acting against popular opinion.

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Based on the condition of our country (economy, jobs, foreign relations, etc..,) the people do know better than these so-called leaders who have the common sense of a used condom. These elitist bastards believe they know what's best and have the solution to all our problems. I can tell you that I'm not bankrupt, my neighbors do not hate me, I don't have to borrow money everyday in order to sustain my lifestyle, etc.., None of that can be said about our politicians. All of 'em can burn in the depths of hell as far as I am concerned.