Would you ever consider joining the Military?

I'll fight when I actually think our nation is in danger, until then no.JthRedDragon

What constitutes real danger?  I would think terrorist flying planes into, or attempting to fly them into, major political, economic and cultural buildings, killing thousands would mean that we were in some kind of danger? 

Getting sent miles away to fight in conflicts which are drawn out & controversial, never knowing whether you're going to die trying to help stabilise a country you have no interest in or when you're going home...er, no thanks.

I know military action in this world is a part of life (or death,,) but if everyone in the world thought like this no nation would have a military & disputes would be fought out in meeeting rooms by the heads of states [which is how it should be], not by young men & women terified for their life. I'm a huge pacifist and totally against any war / acts of terrorisim / terrortory conflicts etc. Let the leaders fight it out, and not hide behind the sons and daughters of the countries they run.

angel1212

So you hoped after 9/11 somehow we rounded up OBL and had Bush challenge him to an arm wrestling match and the winner takes over the world.  That seems logical.

[QUOTE="JthRedDragon"]I'll fight when I actually think our nation is in danger, until then no.dicpunch

What constitutes real danger? I would think terrorist flying planes into, or attempting to fly them into, major political, economic and cultural buildings, killing thousands would mean that we were in some kind of danger? 

[QUOTE="dicpunch"]

[QUOTE="JthRedDragon"]I'll fight when I actually think our nation is in danger, until then no.Himmel

What constitutes real danger? I would think terrorist flying planes into, or attempting to fly them into, major political, economic and cultural buildings, killing thousands would mean that we were in some kind of danger? 

The question was begged for asking because he said he would fight when were in danger, it wasn't meant to bring this into another discussion on the Iraq situation.   I was wanting to know what he ment personnaly by 'danger', if it isn't having our own soil attacked and thousands of innocent civilians murdered. 

[QUOTE="angel1212"]

Getting sent miles away to fight in conflicts which are drawn out & controversial, never knowing whether you're going to die trying to help stabilise a country you have no interest in or when you're going home...er, no thanks.

I know military action in this world is a part of life (or death,,) but if everyone in the world thought like this no nation would have a military & disputes would be fought out in meeeting rooms by the heads of states [which is how it should be], not by young men & women terified for their life. I'm a huge pacifist and totally against any war / acts of terrorisim / terrortory conflicts etc. Let the leaders fight it out, and not hide behind the sons and daughters of the countries they run.

dicpunch

So you hoped after 9/11 somehow we rounded up OBL and had Bush challenge him to an arm wrestling match and the winner takes over the world.  That seems logical.

[QUOTE="JthRedDragon"]I'll fight when I actually think our nation is in danger, until then no.dicpunch

What constitutes real danger? I would think terrorist flying planes into, or attempting to fly them into, major political, economic and cultural buildings, killing thousands would mean that we were in some kind of danger? 

Why is everyone focusing so much on Osama? He's not the 'leader' of Al Qaida or any other terrorist organization for that matter, and he's not the mastermind behind 9/11 or any other attacks. All he does and ever did was give money to terrorist organizations who wanted his money. Other than that he doesn't do much of anything. Of course, since the media and governments have overrated his importance so much, he's a 'symbol' of terrorism, so I guess that's why. But other than that I assure you that guy has no real importance whatsoever.

And anyway to answer the topic question, no I would not, simply because I don't have the time nor discipline required to do that. Unless I was offered a nice cushy job as General straight away, then I'd join the Army.

[QUOTE="dicpunch"][QUOTE="angel1212"]

Getting sent miles away to fight in conflicts which are drawn out & controversial, never knowing whether you're going to die trying to help stabilise a country you have no interest in or when you're going home...er, no thanks.

I know military action in this world is a part of life (or death,,) but if everyone in the world thought like this no nation would have a military & disputes would be fought out in meeeting rooms by the heads of states [which is how it should be], not by young men & women terified for their life. I'm a huge pacifist and totally against any war / acts of terrorisim / terrortory conflicts etc. Let the leaders fight it out, and not hide behind the sons and daughters of the countries they run.

angel1212

So you hoped after 9/11 somehow we rounded up OBL and had Bush challenge him to an arm wrestling match and the winner takes over the world.  That seems logical.

So you do realize that people don't follow the mentality of pacifisim.  Mentalities are thrown out when realities start crashing into buildings.  Pacifisim would be nice, however it really makes for bad national defense.

So you do realize that people don't follow the mentality of pacifisim.  Mentalities are thrown out when realities start crashing into buildings.  Pacifisim would be nice, however it really makes for bad national defense.dicpunch

If war revolted everyone on Earth there would be no armies and no conflicts. Unfortunately the screwed up way humans are force the need of military, and that is the problem. I do acknowledge the need for a defence but i will not, can not agree with it which ever side you're fighting on.

So you do realize that people don't follow the mentality of pacifisim.  Mentalities are thrown out when realities start crashing into buildings.  Pacifisim would be nice, however it really makes for bad national defense.dicpunch

I thought the point was that they should.

[QUOTE="dicpunch"]So you do realize that people don't follow the mentality of pacifisim. Mentalities are thrown out when realities start crashing into buildings. Pacifisim would be nice, however it really makes for bad national defense.Patchi

I thought the point was that they should.

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[QUOTE="dicpunch"]So you do realize that people don't follow the mentality of pacifisim. Mentalities are thrown out when realities start crashing into buildings. Pacifisim would be nice, however it really makes for bad national defense.Archetype5

I thought the point was that they should.

Perhaps.

[QUOTE="dicpunch"]So you do realize that people don't follow the mentality of pacifisim.  Mentalities are thrown out when realities start crashing into buildings.  Pacifisim would be nice, however it really makes for bad national defense.Patchi

I thought the point was that they should.

[QUOTE="dicpunch"]So you do realize that people don't follow the mentality of pacifisim.  Mentalities are thrown out when realities start crashing into buildings.  Pacifisim would be nice, however it really makes for bad national defense.Patchi

I thought the point was that they should.

The point isn't about how we wished other people or gov'ts would think about war, terrorism, etc.  It's about the scary reality of how we are being acted on by extremist.   

So would you think Pacifisim is a good way to defend our country from people who could care less if we are going to take up arms or not? 

no , i'd rather stay at home

[QUOTE="Patchi"]

[QUOTE="dicpunch"]So you do realize that people don't follow the mentality of pacifisim.  Mentalities are thrown out when realities start crashing into buildings.  Pacifisim would be nice, however it really makes for bad national defense.dicpunch

I thought the point was that they should.

The point isn't about how we wished other people or gov'ts would think about war, terrorism, etc.  It's about the scary reality of how we are being acted on by extremist.   

So would you think Pacifisim is a good way to defend our country from people who could care less if we are going to take up arms or not? 

Yeah, all governments world wide would have to follow pacifism for there to be peace. sadly that's not the case, never was, and who knows if when it will be.

Another problem i have with war, using the current conflicts as an example: The US & UK went to war because of 9/11, the killing of innocents by extremists.

I damn sure not everyone the mililtary has killed has been a hardcore- death to all westerners - extremists. They have killed innocents, woman, children & families in botched missions & air raids etc. and in this regard i see no difference in what our nations are doing. I would want no part in that and anyone who thinks that the armies in the middle east are just eliminating hardcore fanatics are naive. War is a sick business which ever side you're on. As gamingqueen said....i'd rather stay at home....than kill innocents in a 'justified war'

Another problem i have with war, using the current conflicts as an example: The US & UK went to war because of 9/11, the killing of innocents by extremists.

I damn sure not everyone the mililtary has killed has been a hardcore- death to all westerners - extremists. They have killed innocents, woman, children & families in botched missions & air raids etc. and in this regard i see no difference in what our nations are doing. I would want no part in that and anyone who thinks that the armies in the middle east are just eliminating hardcore fanatics are naive. War is a sick business which ever side you're on. As gamingqueen said....i'd rather stay at home....than kill innocents in a 'justified war'

angel1212

So, lets imagine, we are attacked by say China.  China invades Taiwan and uses nukes to take out our bases and major cities on the west coast.  They are preparing for a major US land invasion.  Our president, whoever it would be, would have a hard decision.  He decides our response should be, when Appling this post, to do nothing because innocents in China might get killed? 

What about WW2?  Should we have decided to stay out?  Deciding to rescue the world from a tyrant might kill a innocent person or a million. 

When the idea of' no war at any cost', cost more in innocent civilian lives, what do you do then?  Still sit it out.  Hope the evil dictators will somehow come to their senses? 

i would if i could decide on a non-combatant jobjohnnyv2003

27D (legal specialist) is a good choice.

I wouldn't consider it unless everything else in my life went down the tubes and I had to start over.  I don't think it would be for me.  I have so many other things I want to do, and the military isn't the best option to fulfill those.wallymartin

I agree with this....the same goes for me.

[QUOTE="angel1212"]

Another problem i have with war, using the current conflicts as an example: The US & UK went to war because of 9/11, the killing of innocents by extremists.

I damn sure not everyone the mililtary has killed has been a hardcore- death to all westerners - extremists. They have killed innocents, woman, children & families in botched missions & air raids etc. and in this regard i see no difference in what our nations are doing. I would want no part in that and anyone who thinks that the armies in the middle east are just eliminating hardcore fanatics are naive. War is a sick business which ever side you're on. As gamingqueen said....i'd rather stay at home....than kill innocents in a 'justified war'

dicpunch

So, lets imagine, we are attacked by say China.  China invades Taiwan and uses nukes to take out our bases and major cities on the west coast.  They are preparing for a major US land invasion.  Our president, whoever it would be, would have a hard decision.  He decides our response should be, when Appling this post, to do nothing because innocents in China might get killed? 

What about WW2?  Should we have decided to stay out?  Deciding to rescue the world from a tyrant might kill a innocent person or a million. 

When the idea of' no war at any cost', cost more in innocent civilian lives, what do you do then?  Still sit it out?  Hope the evil dictators will somehow come to their senses?  Disregard the freedoms we hold and conform to the laws, regardless of how restricting, enacted by the invaders? 

.....still waiting on a response for the application of Pacifisim to an imagined possibility or even real world past example.......

[QUOTE="CanadianNooB"][QUOTE="sublime5343"]

[QUOTE="CanadianNooB"]Never.dicpunch

It figures, you're Canadian. Do you guys even have a military or do you just rely on the protection of the US? :lol:

Yes we do.

And yes we leech off your ridiculously powerful and expensive military for strategic protection.

"And protection from whom? The Communists? They were finished over a decade ago, right now I'm looking at a map struggling to find REAL enemies which threaten our way of life in our modern and increasingly prosperous interconnected world."

That's whats funny about it. The United States is willing to spend on defending North America from nothing.:lol:

Canada of course spends nothing - as there is no real threat out there.

[QUOTE="dicpunch"][QUOTE="CanadianNooB"][QUOTE="sublime5343"]

[QUOTE="CanadianNooB"]Never.CanadianNooB

It figures, you're Canadian. Do you guys even have a military or do you just rely on the protection of the US? :lol:

Yes we do.

And yes we leech off your ridiculously powerful and expensive military for strategic protection.

"And protection from whom? The Communists? They were finished over a decade ago, right now I'm looking at a map struggling to find REAL enemies which threaten our way of life in our modern and increasingly prosperous interconnected world."

That's whats funny about it. The United States is willing to spend on defending North America from nothing.:lol:

Canada of course spends nothing - as there is no real threat out there.

There isn't a threat for Canada because nobody gives a crap about canada.

no way, waking up at 5 AM to go running miles outside, doing loads of pushups and situps, and having to say "sir yes sir!!!!! ZOMGZ!!!" every time a seargent tells me to do something. dsan224

Stop bumping threads. It's not funny.

[QUOTE="dsan224"]no way, waking up at 5 AM to go running miles outside, doing loads of pushups and situps, and having to say "sir yes sir!!!!! ZOMGZ!!!" every time a seargent tells me to do something. GettingTired

Stop bumping threads. It's not funny.