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I personally am not a gun person, but I would always like to have one for safety, but I always like a woman who likes guns. Don't ask me why. :|
Yes, to answer your question, I would turn my guns in. Besides, I prefer knives.
Less guns do make a country have less crime rate. Take a look at Canada and Australia. I'm sure everyone in Canada and Australia is just getting shot by all those criminals with guns.King-SaddamI wouldn't even if it would make the US safer, but it doesn't make places safer, take the UK for example gun crimes double with the ban on almost all guns.
[QUOTE="King-Saddam"]Less guns do make a country have less crime rate. Take a look at Canada and Australia. I'm sure everyone in Canada and Australia is just getting shot by all those criminals with guns.JacobisthemanI wouldn't even if it would make the US safer, but it doesn't make places safer, take the UK for example gun crimes double with the ban on almost all guns. We don't have much gun crime at all, actually.
Less guns do make a country have less crime rate. Take a look at Canada and Australia. I'm sure everyone in Canada and Australia is just getting shot by all those criminals with guns.King-Saddam
It's not the guns that make the difference. It's the culture of the people.
A gun is a tool. The use of the tool is determined by the type of person using it.
The removal of guns from the public is a submission to absolute authority to the governments Military. There is no reason for this.
[QUOTE="King-Saddam"]Less guns do make a country have less crime rate. Take a look at Canada and Australia. I'm sure everyone in Canada and Australia is just getting shot by all those criminals with guns.EMOEVOLUTION
It's not the guns that make the difference. It's the culture of the people.
A gun is a tool. The use of the tool is determined by the type of person using it.
The removal of guns from the public is a submission to absolute authority to the governments Military. There is no reason for this.
I agree with emoevolution. I will never hand over my "tools".
Did you know that 2 times as many crimes are prevented with guns than are commited. So do you think, like Obama said in that tape that just serficed, that the founding fathers messed up the constitution.Absolutely. I'm not particularly fond of guns to begin with nor do I think everyday people should possess them.
Calypto
No. They're for defense against the government, why would I let the government take them away.Coffee_Blade
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Our government is largely unalterable when it comes to change for the better-once our lawmakers leave the straight and narrow path, never shall they return from the hedonistic pleasures of the new ground they cover.
That leaves the right of abolition of government, which needs firearms.
[QUOTE="Calypto"]Did you know that 2 times as many crimes are prevented with guns than are commited. So do you think, like Obama said in that tape that just serficed, that the founding fathers messed up the constitution.Absolutely. I'm not particularly fond of guns to begin with nor do I think everyday people should possess them.
Jacobistheman
Where exactly are you getting all these statistics from?
[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="Calypto"]Did you know that 2 times as many crimes are prevented with guns than are commited. So do you think, like Obama said in that tape that just serficed, that the founding fathers messed up the constitution.Absolutely. I'm not particularly fond of guns to begin with nor do I think everyday people should possess them.
UnrighteousFury
Where exactly are you getting all these statistics from?
Well this doesn't have the numbers that I heard on the news, but gunowners.org/sk8002.htm should put it in perspective.Well this doesn't have the numbers that I heard on the news, but http://www.gunowners.org/sk0802.htm should put it in perspective.Jacobistheman
Fixed. Interesting read.
That's very absurd to say that it would make America safer. But Hypothetically if it did, I still wouldn't. It's my Constitutional right to own a firearm and defend myself.LikeHateradeSo what if someone takes that right away from you? How would you justify getting it back?
[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]That's very absurd to say that it would make America safer. But Hypothetically if it did, I still wouldn't. It's my Constitutional right to own a firearm and defend myself.SolidSnake35So what if someone takes that right away from you? How would you justify getting it back?
If something was taken, I would think that justification wouldn't be necessary. It's self-explanitory.
[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]That's very absurd to say that it would make America safer. But Hypothetically if it did, I still wouldn't. It's my Constitutional right to own a firearm and defend myself.SolidSnake35So what if someone takes that right away from you? How would you justify getting it back?
I, for one, would continue to exercise the right, even if it were highly illegal to do so. And, if it were highly illegal to do so, it would be an indication that the government was scared of its people, and the government that is scared of its people is a government that is not serving its people, and a government that is not serving its people should be abolished.
[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]That's very absurd to say that it would make America safer. But Hypothetically if it did, I still wouldn't. It's my Constitutional right to own a firearm and defend myself.SolidSnake35So what if someone takes that right away from you? How would you justify getting it back?
I think that a situation in which we have a government that intends to completely take away certain constitutional rights is exactly the kind of situation that the right to bear arms was put in the constitution for.
How would it make the US safer if I gave up my guns? That's stupid. I'm no criminal, I shouldn't have to give up my freedoms for the fools that are. Plus, they may come in handy someday, and the first step towards becoming a totalitarian nation is taking away the populace's arms.Yeah the fools toting guns on the street commiting crimes are already breaking the law, outlawing guns wont make them go straight and give them up.
Essentially you're saying that I should sacrifice my right, because of a select few individuals. Switzerland is a good example of this, 1/3 of the population owns guns, yet the crime rate is ridiculously low. Perhaps the people there have a greater sense of responsibility, something that I guess some people don't want to bear. A lot of gun crime is also related to drugs, which are already "illegal," so what makes you think a drug dealer is going to give up his arms?
Saturos3091
Essentially you're saying that I should sacrifice my right, because of a select few individuals. Switzerland is a good example of this, 1/3 of the population owns guns, yet the crime rate is ridiculously low. Perhaps the people there have a greater sense of responsibility, something that I guess some people don't want to bear. A lot of gun crime is also related to drugs, which are already "illegal," so what makes you think a drug dealer is going to give up his arms?
Saturos3091
might actualy have something to do with the fact that most of the guns are in people possesion when they join the military and they get the ammo in a sealed box that is regulary checked and you get into a lot of trouble if you open it. iirc they even stoped givin out the ammo after an incedent.
love eluveitie btw, even spoke with the drummer once :P
So what if someone takes that right away from you? How would you justify getting it back?[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]That's very absurd to say that it would make America safer. But Hypothetically if it did, I still wouldn't. It's my Constitutional right to own a firearm and defend myself.UnrighteousFury
I think that a situation in which we have a government that intends to completely take away certain constitutional rights is exactly the kind of situation that the right to bear arms was put in the constitution for.
This obsession over guns is pretty funny to me. You guys really would do anything to have guns... even use them. :lol:This obsession over guns is pretty funny to me. You guys really would do anything to have guns... even use them. :lol:SolidSnake35
I don't even own a gun. I don't know anyone who owns a gun. I was just saying that a situation in which the government oppresses its people to an unreasonable degree is exactly why we have the right to bear arms.
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]This obsession over guns is pretty funny to me. You guys really would do anything to have guns... even use them. :lol:UnrighteousFury
I don't even own a gun. I don't know anyone who owns a gun. I was just saying that a situation in which the government oppresses its people to an unreasonable degree is exactly why we have the right to bear arms.
I don't own a gun either. :lol:
[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="King-Saddam"]Less guns do make a country have less crime rate. Take a look at Canada and Australia. I'm sure everyone in Canada and Australia is just getting shot by all those criminals with guns.SolidSnake35I wouldn't even if it would make the US safer, but it doesn't make places safer, take the UK for example gun crimes double with the ban on almost all guns. We don't have much gun crime at all, actually. Now you may not, but a study done in the lates 90's. The UK banned weapons and the crime rate quadrupled that same year. Um its pretty obvious, criminals now know that they wont get shot at if they rampage a house
[QUOTE="King-Saddam"]Less guns do make a country have less crime rate. Take a look at Canada and Australia. I'm sure everyone in Canada and Australia is just getting shot by all those criminals with guns.EMOEVOLUTION
It's not the guns that make the difference. It's the culture of the people.
A gun is a tool. The use of the tool is determined by the type of person using it.
The removal of guns from the public is a submission to absolute authority to the governments Military. There is no reason for this.
How about Canada then the culture is identical. The funny thing is in my cousin's city(Windsor) there was 3 murders involving guns last year. 2 were involved with a man from Detroit and the other was local.
Well..there was a school shooting in Canada so that throws your theory out the window.LJS9502_basic
How many again, and with what weapons?
I don't own a gun either. :lol:LikeHateradeYou should get one then otherwise secret agents might assassinate you.
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