Of course I wouldn't have. If I remember my history right (and I'm a bit hazy here) Saladin, who controlled Jerusalem at the time, allowed people of any religion to come and visit as they pleased, respected the holy sites of non-Muslim religions, and otherwise was very fair about the whole thing.
[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]No, I will not fight for any religion.LJS9502_basic
The Crusades weren't actually about religion.....the two sides just happened to be different religions.
Not entirely true. They were fighting over the holy land, and they used religion as an excuse to fight and to get "volunteers". Remember "God wills it!"?
[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]No, I will not fight for any religion.LJS9502_basic
The Crusades weren't actually about religion.....the two sides just happened to be different religions. We'll have to slightly disagree here. Yes there were too many knights running around causing trouble, but the Pope mandated all Christians that were able to go.
[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]No, I will not fight for any religion.Guppy507
The Crusades weren't actually about religion.....the two sides just happened to be different religions.
Not entirely true. They were fighting over the holy land, and they used religion as an excuse to fight and to get "volunteers". Remember "God wills it!"?
ya even today with Judaism religion is just a propaganda tool to get people to fight for the leaders.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The Crusades weren't actually about religion.....the two sides just happened to be different religions.
dkdk999
Not entirely true. They were fighting over the holy land, and they used religion as an excuse to fight and to get "volunteers". Remember "God wills it!"?
ya even today with Judaism religion is just a propaganda tool to get people to fight for the leaders. What? Actually...nevermind...I don't want to know.
Not entirely true. They were fighting over the holy land, and they used religion as an excuse to fight and to get "volunteers". Remember "God wills it!"?
dnuggs40
ya even today with Judaism religion is just a propaganda tool to get people to fight for the leaders. What? Actually...nevermind...I don't want to know. Well sadely this is partially true.. The Zionist movement is based upon religion. I am not suggesting the entire population believes this.. I just think the Hardliner Zionist movement in the Israeli government believes it.
[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="dkdk999"] ya even today with Judaism religion is just a propaganda tool to get people to fight for the leaders.sSubZerOo
What? Actually...nevermind...I don't want to know. Well sadely this is partially true.. The Zionist movement is based upon religion. I am not suggesting the entire population believes this.. I just think the Hardliner Zionist movement in the Israeli government believes it. The part about "propaganda tool to get people to fight for it's leaders" is more what I was referring to. That's not what is going on there lol.
[QUOTE="dnuggs40"] What? Actually...nevermind...I don't want to know.dnuggs40
Well sadely this is partially true.. The Zionist movement is based upon religion. I am not suggesting the entire population believes this.. I just think the Hardliner Zionist movement in the Israeli government believes it. The part about "propaganda tool to get people to fight for it's leaders" is more what I was referring to. That's not what is going on there lol. I am quite sure there is some premise on it.. Remember when that Israeli sniper school was given shirts at graduation with pregnent palastinian women in sniper cross hairs saying "1 bulelt 2 lives on it" as a example? There is clearly some extremist element in there, I wouldn't say its widescale though so I do agree with you.
[QUOTE="dnuggs40"] What? Actually...nevermind...I don't want to know.dnuggs40
Well sadely this is partially true.. The Zionist movement is based upon religion. I am not suggesting the entire population believes this.. I just think the Hardliner Zionist movement in the Israeli government believes it. The part about "propaganda tool to get people to fight for it's leaders" is more what I was referring to. That's not what is going on there lol. If anything its using the Holocaust as a justification for treating their neighbours like a bloody bully. Thats the kind of BS that happens when you have a nationalist government. No double standards people! The Israeli government should be held accountable when they act like bullies.
[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Well sadely this is partially true.. The Zionist movement is based upon religion. I am not suggesting the entire population believes this.. I just think the Hardliner Zionist movement in the Israeli government believes it.
sSubZerOo
The part about "propaganda tool to get people to fight for it's leaders" is more what I was referring to. That's not what is going on there lol. I am quite sure there is some premise on it.. Remember when that Israeli sniper school was given shirts at graduation with pregnent palastinian women in sniper cross hairs saying "1 bulelt 2 lives on it" as a example? There is clearly some extremist element in there, I wouldn't say its widescale though so I do agree with you.
Yeah, sadly there are extremists in every society/political movement/ect. Although if my memory serves me correctly those shirts were not given by the school, but by a private party. Either way it's obviously sick and twisted. I am glad we agree on the broader subject though.
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I was correct, those shirts were not military issued:
On what side? I wouldn't have a choice on the Christian side, if I didn't go I would be labelled a "heretic" and probably be burned at the stake. I highly doubt I'd have a choice on the Muslim side, due to a cultural motivation to defend the holy land.
I personally, if given my current view on everything, would not choose to fight on either side... for the mere reason that it was a war of religion. Though, I might side with the Hashshashin, if Assassin's Creed were true.
[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]No, I will not fight for any religion.btaylor2404
What about an offensive war in the name of nationalism?
Yes, tha's a totally different question. I would defend my counfry.But what if your nation wouldnt tolerate different religions and would massacre them, would you still fight for them?
What about an offensive war in the name of nationalism?
-Pred-Alien-
Yes, tha's a totally different question. I would defend my counfry.But what if your nation wouldnt tolerate different religions and would massacre them, would you still fight for them?
Of course not. You can what if all day. WWII can be looked at from that viewpoint for many countries. To be clear, I would defend my country if it was attacked or our way of life was threatened. Hasn't happened (9/11 excluded, and it was handled wrong) since WWII.
If I lived during the times, probably. You can't really view something like this with a modern mindset. Of course if your a semi-sane person you wouldn't want to go to hands down one of the most brutal conflicts of the time (and the way some people died is hard to fathom, it was that brutal). With my current mindset as a modern person would I go? No chance in hell. If I were a dirt poor peasant living in France being promised milk and honey? Well then gimme one of those cool looking Great Helms and swords cause "GOD WILLS IT!!!"
I would've but then I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it since I would've been one of the peasants who made up most of the fighting force to be butchered by the nobility on both sides.
Without the Crusades there would have been no Europe. It would have been an enormous muslim caliphate. Why? Because the crusades held off the Ottoman advancement into Italy, which in turn allowed time for the Mongols to sweep into Ottoman Turkey and destroy the place, thus ironcally saving Europe. The crusades also postponed the fall of the byzantine empire. But I guess its too poltically incorrect to say the crusades were beneficial to the world. I definitely would have fought for Europe in the crusades.
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