Would you religious people have taken up religion if no mention of heaven?

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#1 BobSacamento
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For my third religious topic of the night, and i pray i dont get modded for the 6th time in a month -

The question i propose to thee

If no incentive for you, no heaven; and this was introduced to us however many years ago - would anyone have believed in it? If no mention of any afterlife?

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I believe the reason for religion was to create an explanation for death.
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I believe the reason for religion was to create an explanation for death.unholymight

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

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[QUOTE="unholymight"]I believe the reason for religion was to create an explanation for death.BobSacamento

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

I agree with you there.

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[QUOTE="unholymight"]I believe the reason for religion was to create an explanation for death.BobSacamento

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

What's worse - following something with earnest faith, or not having a single purpose for living? However, I am interested in taking advice from a guy on an internet forum acting as the species' spokesman.
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#6 BobSacamento
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Religion is the ultimate product

An answer to everything we don't know

Now god needs your money please for this large church

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#7 Blood-Scribe
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Couldn't you have just put all of this into one thread, instead of making three at once?
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#8 BobSacamento
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"]I believe the reason for religion was to create an explanation for death.D3nnyCrane

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

What's worse - following something with earnest faith, or not having a single purpose for living? However, I am interested in taking advice from a guy on an internet forum acting as the species' spokesman.

Right,

I'd have to live in the vatican to pull that off

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[QUOTE="unholymight"]I believe the reason for religion was to create an explanation for death.BobSacamento

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

Wouldn't nuclear war be a bigger mistake? I mean religion, at the very least, aims to preserve humanity.

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#10 BobSacamento
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Couldn't you have just put all of this into one thread, instead of making three at once?Blood-Scribe

I suppose that's possible...:idea:

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#11 tktomo01
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I would still believe it.
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#12 BobSacamento
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"]I believe the reason for religion was to create an explanation for death.unholymight

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

Wouldn't nuclear war be a bigger mistake? I mean religion, at the very least, aims to preserve humanity.

If nuclear war happens, it will probably be in the name of religion

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Even when there is no incentive for me, I just try to do good. Just now, I was helping my friend do homework. Will I get a reward for it? Maybe. Is that what sparked me to do it though? No, it's that I want to try and help someone. Maybe he will in turn help someone else and make the world a better place.
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#14 D3nnyCrane
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[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

BobSacamento

What's worse - following something with earnest faith, or not having a single purpose for living? However, I am interested in taking advice from a guy on an internet forum acting as the species' spokesman.

Right,

I'd have to live in the vatican to pull that off

And yet you try to on a Gamespot forum...
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

[QUOTE="unholymight"]I believe the reason for religion was to create an explanation for death.D3nnyCrane

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

What's worse - following something with earnest faith, or not having a single purpose for living? However, I am interested in taking advice from a guy on an internet forum acting as the species' spokesman.

Species' spokesman, or expressor of ideas?

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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

BobSacamento

Wouldn't nuclear war be a bigger mistake? I mean religion, at the very least, aims to preserve humanity.

If nuclear war happens, it will probably be in the name of religion

I don't think so. Some crazy dictator wants power or something, thats how big wars usually start. Religous wars are primitive.
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#17 BobSacamento
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] What's worse - following something with earnest faith, or not having a single purpose for living? However, I am interested in taking advice from a guy on an internet forum acting as the species' spokesman.D3nnyCrane

Right,

I'd have to live in the vatican to pull that off

And yet you try to on a Gamespot forum...

We're just talking my friend,

No need to start questioning your faith

don't EVER do that

god no

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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Wouldn't nuclear war be a bigger mistake? I mean religion, at the very least, aims to preserve humanity.

tktomo01

If nuclear war happens, it will probably be in the name of religion

I don't think so. Some crazy dictator wants power or something, thats how big wars usually start. Religous wars are primitive.

MMhmm

Guess priests and prophets don't fall into the category of crazy dictators

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#19 unholymight
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

BobSacamento

Wouldn't nuclear war be a bigger mistake? I mean religion, at the very least, aims to preserve humanity.

If nuclear war happens, it will probably be in the name of religion

We would have to doubt this, as most nuclear-capable governments are not as influenced by religion as political interests.
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#20 D3nnyCrane
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[QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

Right,

I'd have to live in the vatican to pull that off

BobSacamento

And yet you try to on a Gamespot forum...

We're just talking my friend,

No need to start questioning your faith

don't EVER do that

god no

You're presuming I argue from a religious standpoint and not as simply a questioning bystander. No need to get defensive about conflicting ideals. God no.
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#21 BobSacamento
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Wouldn't nuclear war be a bigger mistake? I mean religion, at the very least, aims to preserve humanity.

unholymight

If nuclear war happens, it will probably be in the name of religion

We would have to doubt this, as most nuclear-capable governments are not as influenced by religion as political interests.

Only the good ol' U.S of A!

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Yes, because religion also includes a set of morals to live by. Even if I'm not a perfect Christian, I still follow the basic rules.
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#23 unholymight
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I agree, there is no inherent need for religion, one can only wish for a day where the people's ignorance is not so easily abused.
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

Duhh, along with everything else

Teaches us to be satified with not understanding our universe

The ultimate cop out

Which is the BIGGEST mistake we can make as a species, it is the ultimate impeder of evolution and growth

BobSacamento

Wouldn't nuclear war be a bigger mistake? I mean religion, at the very least, aims to preserve humanity.

If nuclear war happens, it will probably be in the name of religion

yeah man, totally religion. definately not a nuclear war with russia. its not like they are pressuring us not to let the smaller countries around them join NATO so that nobody can come to their defence should Russia decide they want a little more land. Its not like if we do let them join, Russia will be majorly pissed and we may re-enter the cold war. thats impossible, it will DEFINATELY be because of religion. Cuz you know us christians, we like to blow up those who dont agree with us.
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#25 BobSacamento
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] And yet you try to on a Gamespot forum...D3nnyCrane

We're just talking my friend,

No need to start questioning your faith

don't EVER do that

god no

You're presuming I argue from a religious standpoint and not as simply a questioning bystander. No need to get defensive about conflicting ideals. God no.

Perhaps I should have you killed then mmm?

:shock:

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#26 unholymight
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You might get modded for that ^ should edit.
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#27 montieman
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I agree, there is no inherent need for religion, one can only wish for a day where the people's ignorance is not so easily abused.unholymight
did you ever think that maybe its you who is ignorant?
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#28 D3nnyCrane
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

We're just talking my friend,

No need to start questioning your faith

don't EVER do that

god no

You're presuming I argue from a religious standpoint and not as simply a questioning bystander. No need to get defensive about conflicting ideals. God no.

Perhaps I should have you killed then mmm?

:shock:

And for my closing argument, I present - the internet tough guy. Goodnight and thankyou ladies and gentlemen!
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[QUOTE="unholymight"]I agree, there is no inherent need for religion, one can only wish for a day where the people's ignorance is not so easily abused.montieman
did you ever think that maybe its you who is ignorant?

What a DEEp thought !!:D

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[QUOTE="unholymight"]I agree, there is no inherent need for religion, one can only wish for a day where the people's ignorance is not so easily abused.montieman
did you ever think that maybe its you who is ignorant?

Yes, I have, but evidently religion is the antithesis of science, therefore it only hinders development.
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] You're presuming I argue from a religious standpoint and not as simply a questioning bystander. No need to get defensive about conflicting ideals. God no.D3nnyCrane

Perhaps I should have you killed then mmm?

:shock:

And for my closing argument, I present - the internet tough guy. Goodnight and thankyou ladies and gentlemen!

Hey thanks for stoppin' by man we were glad to have ya

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The mention of Hell was pretty motivational.
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Religion was originally created in large part to explain natural phenomena-for example, lightning came from Zeus throwing thunderbolts. It was also used to explain what happened after death. In modern times, religion is used to explain what happens after death, as well as to establish a set of moral values and principles on which one should live one's life.
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[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="unholymight"]I agree, there is no inherent need for religion, one can only wish for a day where the people's ignorance is not so easily abused.unholymight
did you ever think that maybe its you who is ignorant?

Yes, I have, but evidently religion is the antithesis of science, therefore it only hinders development.

well, since absolutly nothing regarding the creation of our universe has been proven, i would have to disagree.
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#35 D3nnyCrane
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

Perhaps I should have you killed then mmm?

:shock:

And for my closing argument, I present - the internet tough guy. Goodnight and thankyou ladies and gentlemen!

Hey thanks for stoppin' by man we were glad to have ya

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Mate, I presented one singular argument that you not only failed to intelligently disproved, you went straight to the macho act. Sorry to have so easily swung this judgemental pendulum back on you though.
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#36 unholymight
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[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="montieman"] did you ever think that maybe its you who is ignorant?

Yes, I have, but evidently religion is the antithesis of science, therefore it only hinders development.

well, since absolutly nothing regarding the creation of our universe has been proven, i would have to disagree.

Science at the very least attempts to use observable proofs to explain phenomena, leading to theories of the big bang which have a large amount of evidence. Religion begins by making assumptions where there is no proof, but relies on winning the favour of the followers' emotions, feelings, and desires.
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"][QUOTE="D3nnyCrane"] And for my closing argument, I present - the internet tough guy. Goodnight and thankyou ladies and gentlemen!D3nnyCrane

Hey thanks for stoppin' by man we were glad to have ya

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Mate, I presented one singular argument that you not only failed to intelligently disproved, you went straight to the macho act. Sorry to have so easily swung this judgemental pendulum back on you though.

Macho guy act?

That was a quip on religion (have you killed because you don't believe what i say?)

I wasn't actually trying to "go at" you

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I would, I mean I lose nothing even if I die after its not like I would be to know it.
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="unholymight"] Yes, I have, but evidently religion is the antithesis of science, therefore it only hinders development.

well, since absolutly nothing regarding the creation of our universe has been proven, i would have to disagree.

Science at the very least attempts to use observable proofs to explain phenomena, leading to theories of the big bang which have a large amount of evidence. Religion begins by making assumptions where there is no proof, but relies on winning the favour of the followers' emotions, feelings, and desires.

so you think its more probably that an entire universe simply exploded out of utter nothingness. And by the way, science makes its fair share of assumptions where theres no proof.
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Religion begins by making assumptions where there is no proof, but relies on winning the favour of the followers' emotions, feelings, and desires.unholymight
True. Main reason I don't like it.
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="montieman"] well, since absolutly nothing regarding the creation of our universe has been proven, i would have to disagree. montieman
Science at the very least attempts to use observable proofs to explain phenomena, leading to theories of the big bang which have a large amount of evidence. Religion begins by making assumptions where there is no proof, but relies on winning the favour of the followers' emotions, feelings, and desires.

so you think its more probably that an entire universe simply exploded out of utter nothingness. And by the way, science makes its fair share of assumptions where theres no proof.

to people who don't understand anything about science aka. religious people -- yes it would sound weird

btw that is the ultimate "we're not sure" thing thousands of other things about the universe are explained by science

100 years ago we were on horse and carriage, give us some more time please lol

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[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="unholymight"] Yes, I have, but evidently religion is the antithesis of science, therefore it only hinders development.unholymight
well, since absolutly nothing regarding the creation of our universe has been proven, i would have to disagree.

Science at the very least attempts to use observable proofs to explain phenomena, leading to theories of the big bang which have a large amount of evidence. Religion begins by making assumptions where there is no proof, but relies on winning the favour of the followers' emotions, feelings, and desires.

But science has yet to really "prove" the big bang theory, so that too is just assumption.
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#43 BobSacamento
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doesn't mean like

well if it's not this - THEN ITS HAS TO BE JESUS!

some people just need the quick and easy answers to life

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[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="unholymight"] Science at the very least attempts to use observable proofs to explain phenomena, leading to theories of the big bang which have a large amount of evidence. Religion begins by making assumptions where there is no proof, but relies on winning the favour of the followers' emotions, feelings, and desires.BobSacamento

so you think its more probably that an entire universe simply exploded out of utter nothingness. And by the way, science makes its fair share of assumptions where theres no proof.

to people who don't understand anything about science aka. religious people -- yes it would sound weird

btw that is the ultimate "we're not sure" thing thousands of other things about the universe are explained by science

100 years ago we were on horse and carriage, give us some more time please lol

And above is an example of someone who doesn't know anything about religion a.k.a science guy.
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[QUOTE="montieman"][QUOTE="unholymight"] Science at the very least attempts to use observable proofs to explain phenomena, leading to theories of the big bang which have a large amount of evidence. Religion begins by making assumptions where there is no proof, but relies on winning the favour of the followers' emotions, feelings, and desires.BobSacamento

so you think its more probably that an entire universe simply exploded out of utter nothingness. And by the way, science makes its fair share of assumptions where theres no proof.

to people who don't understand anything about science aka. religious people -- yes it would sound weird

btw that is the ultimate "we're not sure" thing thousands of other things about the universe are explained by science

100 years ago we were on horse and carriage, give us some more time please lol

so youre under the assumption that religious people simply have no idea about science. We have to go to high school and college too bud, we get fed the same scientific assumptions that everybody else does. And yeah, 100's of things have been proven by science, but science by definition is things man OBSERVES. obviously we see things and accept them as fact, but since nobody yet existed during either one of our beginning of the world possibilities, i think its out of sciences range to determine.
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[QUOTE="montieman"] so you think its more probably that an entire universe simply exploded out of utter nothingness. And by the way, science makes its fair share of assumptions where theres no proof. tktomo01

to people who don't understand anything about science aka. religious people -- yes it would sound weird

btw that is the ultimate "we're not sure" thing thousands of other things about the universe are explained by science

100 years ago we were on horse and carriage, give us some more time please lol

And above is an example of someone who doesn't know anything about religion a.k.a science guy.

what makes you think i don't know about religion?

not that hard to understand - but that's kind of the point isn't it?

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#47 tktomo01
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doesn't mean like

well if it's not this - THEN ITS HAS TO BE JESUS!

some people just need the quick and easy answers to life

Who says it has to be Jesus? There are other religions too.
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#48 BobSacamento
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

[QUOTE="montieman"] so you think its more probably that an entire universe simply exploded out of utter nothingness. And by the way, science makes its fair share of assumptions where theres no proof. montieman

to people who don't understand anything about science aka. religious people -- yes it would sound weird

btw that is the ultimate "we're not sure" thing thousands of other things about the universe are explained by science

100 years ago we were on horse and carriage, give us some more time please lol

so youre under the assumption that religious people simply have no idea about science. We have to go to high school and college too bud, we get fed the same scientific assumptions that everybody else does. And yeah, 100's of things have been proven by science, but science by definition is things man OBSERVES. obviously we see things and accept them as fact, but since nobody yet existed during either one of our beginning of the world possibilities, i think its out of sciences range to determine.

i'm not saying it's impossible that something started the universe - i'm just against RELIGION people aka. the stories we made up

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#49 tktomo01
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[QUOTE="tktomo01"][QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

to people who don't understand anything about science aka. religious people -- yes it would sound weird

btw that is the ultimate "we're not sure" thing thousands of other things about the universe are explained by science

100 years ago we were on horse and carriage, give us some more time please lol

BobSacamento

And above is an example of someone who doesn't know anything about religion a.k.a science guy.

what makes you think i don't know about religion?

not that hard to understand - but that's kind of the point isn't it?

The names of Adam and Eve's sons please. Two in particular, one killed the other
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#50 BobSacamento
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[QUOTE="BobSacamento"]

doesn't mean like

well if it's not this - THEN ITS HAS TO BE JESUS!

some people just need the quick and easy answers to life

tktomo01

Who says it has to be Jesus? There are other religions too.

same logic applies

sub in - allah or buddah or thor, whichever culture you happened to be born into