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Meh people in the video said "find out what your kids are doing.... talk to them." They are more than likely going to lie to there parents and not want them poking into there life, they are allowed there privacy :/
And the sentance is ridiculus, there must be more went on that just that stupid website"bulllying" to make her kill herself.
[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Well, say that this 'Lori Drew' really was the person who did this. In this case I believe she deserves nothing less than 20 years. Not only did she obviously know that this kid had depression, she deliberately targeted her and inflicted what I consider to be the absolute worst form of psychological bullying on the victim. If she was 49 years old, she should have been able to figure out the consequences of her actions, and hell, I think she most certainly did. Combining that with the actual consequences, and I think she deserves the full life sentence in prison. If she dies there, so be it.Oleg_Huzwog
That's nonsense. There is no reason to suspect she knew her actions would lead to the girl's suicide. Even if she did, she still wouldn't deserve such a severe sentence. People who commit vehicular manslaughter don't even receive punishments like that.
That doesn't make a damned bit of difference.
I might pull a prank by egging someone's car, but if that car then loses control and runs over a pedestrian, I am going to be prosecuted for the death of that pedestrian. It doesn't matter that I only threw an egg at a car. My actions will have directly lead to the death of a pedestrian.
I think the 20 years max is suitable. It's not the mom's fault that the child on myspace was extremely unstable, and willing to kill herself over an online relationship. The mother of the child should have been there for her, and help her if she noticed she was upset. Xx_CYC756_xXShe wouldn't have. Most people with depression are very good at hiding their feelings, mainly because they don't want to believe they have any problems. Often in those cases, being too pushy will simply cause further regression.
[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="msudude211"]Actually, she did make the girl commit suicide:"The mother of a teenager who committed suicide after becoming the target of an online hoax said today that the woman charged with perpetrating the hoax deserves life in prison."
And I think she should get life. What would you do if it was your kid who was targeted, TC?
Thechaninator
well no she should not, if i was the parents of the daughter who killed herself, i would have raised her better, so she would not commit suicide over a boy on the Internet, she must have been very very insecure....
Oh yes because the way you raise your kids has SOOO much bearing on mental illness:roll:
Seriously, since you obviously don't know **** about mental illness like the majority of the people here just keep your mouth shut. There is only so much to be done with stuff like this and depression is something that doesn't just magically go away, not with medication and not with supportive people. Hell, one of the reasons people get depressed is because they get blinded to the support they have waiting there for them.
The mom who did this is a disgrace and should probably lose her kids, if only to prevent her from trying to ruin her daughters enemies lives again. Quite honestly I can only hope she gets killed in someway so we have one less waste of flesh on this earth. Her actions make me sick and I think people messing around and taking advantage of people who are mentally ill only deserve the worse.
what was her mental illness? ................
I think it was just simple depression. Depression as in the medical condition, not the mood.then i am justifyed in what i was saying, depression is not mental illness, we all F IN get deppresed at some time in our life
No actually you aren't.
The MEDICAL condition involves a chemical imbalance that the girl would have no control over. Because of that, your comments are basically the same as calling a person who died of cancer weak. I guess they should have just "caught it earlier", except that both depression and cancer take a WHILE to treat. From what I know, they actually don't expect anti-depressants to have any real effect for months.....
You cant not compare cancer to depression, have you been depressed before???? I know i have at one point but i got over it and i didnt even use drugs. now if her mental illness was something like hearing voice in her head, then that women would be at fault. I dont think depression is an illness
[QUOTE="black_cat19"]Maybe the fact that the girl was 13? I think there's no way this could be made into premeditated murder, it was just a prank. No one would expect a person with half a brain to kill themselves over something so trivial/stupid.bsman00
yes yes!
No person with half a brain would expect a girl with depression to take it with a pinch of salt.You cant not compare cancer to depression, have you been depressed before???? I know i have at one point but i got over it and i didnt even use drugs. now if her mental illness was something like hearing voice in her head, then that women would be at fault. I dont think depression is an illnessmsudude211I feel that way, too, but I know I don't have true depression because my feelings are usually voluntary. Or caused by minor factors such as this discussion.
You have no idea how easy it is to hide depression.Thechaninator
In this case, Tina Meier knew her daughter had it.
From the article: "She was heavy and for years had tried to lose weight. She had attention deficit disorder and battled depression. Back in third grade she had talked about suicide, Tina says, and ever since had seen a therapist."
[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Well, say that this 'Lori Drew' really was the person who did this. In this case I believe she deserves nothing less than 20 years. Not only did she obviously know that this kid had depression, she deliberately targeted her and inflicted what I consider to be the absolute worst form of psychological bullying on the victim. If she was 49 years old, she should have been able to figure out the consequences of her actions, and hell, I think she most certainly did. Combining that with the actual consequences, and I think she deserves the full life sentence in prison. If she dies there, so be it.swamprat_basic
That's nonsense. There is no reason to suspect she knew her actions would lead to the girl's suicide. Even if she did, she still wouldn't deserve such a severe sentence. People who commit vehicular manslaughter don't even receive punishments like that.
That doesn't make a damned bit of difference.
I might pull a prank by egging someone's car, but if that car then loses control and runs over a pedestrian, I am going to be prosecuted for the death of that pedestrian. It doesn't matter that I only threw an egg at a car. My actions will have directly lead to the death of a pedestrian.
But in your example it would be obvious your prank was the reason for the death of that pedestrian, the egg made the driver blind and probably surprised him.
Here you can't positively say without doubt that the woman's actions led to the girl's suicide. Like I said before, no one would expect any person with half a brain to kill themselves over an internet relationship.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="msudude211"]Actually, she did make the girl commit suicide:"The mother of a teenager who committed suicide after becoming the target of an online hoax said today that the woman charged with perpetrating the hoax deserves life in prison."
And I think she should get life. What would you do if it was your kid who was targeted, TC?
bsman00
well no she should not, if i was the parents of the daughter who killed herself, i would have raised her better, so she would not commit suicide over a boy on the Internet, she must have been very very insecure....
Oh yes because the way you raise your kids has SOOO much bearing on mental illness:roll:
Seriously, since you obviously don't know **** about mental illness like the majority of the people here just keep your mouth shut. There is only so much to be done with stuff like this and depression is something that doesn't just magically go away, not with medication and not with supportive people. Hell, one of the reasons people get depressed is because they get blinded to the support they have waiting there for them.
The mom who did this is a disgrace and should probably lose her kids, if only to prevent her from trying to ruin her daughters enemies lives again. Quite honestly I can only hope she gets killed in someway so we have one less waste of flesh on this earth. Her actions make me sick and I think people messing around and taking advantage of people who are mentally ill only deserve the worse.
what was her mental illness? ................
I think it was just simple depression. Depression as in the medical condition, not the mood.then i am justifyed in what i was saying, depression is not mental illness, we all F IN get deppresed at some time in our life
No actually you aren't.
The MEDICAL condition involves a chemical imbalance that the girl would have no control over. Because of that, your comments are basically the same as calling a person who died of cancer weak. I guess they should have just "caught it earlier", except that both depression and cancer take a WHILE to treat. From what I know, they actually don't expect anti-depressants to have any real effect for months.....
You cant not compare cancer to depression, have you been depressed before???? I know i have at one point but i got over it and i didnt even use drugs. now if her mental illness was something like hearing voice in her head, then that women would be at fault. I dont think depression is an illness
Depression can both be a chemical imbalance or a simply mental issue with your thought process. Yes I had depression and like you mine went away after a while because my thinking changed. In this case this girl was talking of suicide IN THE 3RD GRADE! She had a bad imbalance and now I am also disgusted at her parents for not doing anything about this.
[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]Maybe the fact that the girl was 13? I think there's no way this could be made into premeditated murder, it was just a prank. No one would expect a person with half a brain to kill themselves over something so trivial/stupid.deepdreamer256
yes yes!
No person with half a brain would expect a girl with depression to take it with a pinch of salt.But how could the woman have KNOWN the girl was depressed?
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]You have no idea how easy it is to hide depression.Oleg_Huzwog
In this case, Tina Meier knew her daughter had it.
From the article: "She was heavy and for years had tried to lose weight. She had attention deficit disorder and battled depression. Back in third grade she had talked about suicide, Tina says, and ever since had seen a therapist."
Well, what do you know.[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]You have no idea how easy it is to hide depression.Oleg_Huzwog
In this case, Tina Meier knew her daughter had it.
From the article: "She was heavy and for years had tried to lose weight. She had attention deficit disorder and battled depression. Back in third grade she had talked about suicide, Tina says, and ever since had seen a therapist."
EDIT: Nevermind I definitely read that wrong.
[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]Maybe the fact that the girl was 13? I think there's no way this could be made into premeditated murder, it was just a prank. No one would expect a person with half a brain to kill themselves over something so trivial/stupid.black_cat19
yes yes!
No person with half a brain would expect a girl with depression to take it with a pinch of salt.But how could the woman have KNOWN the girl was depressed?
Weren't their daughters friends at some point? Thats how these things usually happen. Teenage girls like having crazy fallouts like that....
[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Well, say that this 'Lori Drew' really was the person who did this. In this case I believe she deserves nothing less than 20 years. Not only did she obviously know that this kid had depression, she deliberately targeted her and inflicted what I consider to be the absolute worst form of psychological bullying on the victim. If she was 49 years old, she should have been able to figure out the consequences of her actions, and hell, I think she most certainly did. Combining that with the actual consequences, and I think she deserves the full life sentence in prison. If she dies there, so be it.black_cat19
That's nonsense. There is no reason to suspect she knew her actions would lead to the girl's suicide. Even if she did, she still wouldn't deserve such a severe sentence. People who commit vehicular manslaughter don't even receive punishments like that.
That doesn't make a damned bit of difference.
I might pull a prank by egging someone's car, but if that car then loses control and runs over a pedestrian, I am going to be prosecuted for the death of that pedestrian. It doesn't matter that I only threw an egg at a car. My actions will have directly lead to the death of a pedestrian.
But in your example it would be obvious your prank was the reason for the death of that pedestrian, the egg made the driver blind and probably surprised him.
Here you can't positively say without doubt that the woman's actions led to the girl's suicide. Like I said before, no one would expect any person with half a brain to kill themselves over an internet relationship.
If I went up to someone I knew to be a paranoid schizophrenic, handed them a gun, and told them to use it to fight back against the CIA don't you think I would be more than a little responsible for anyone killed by said person?
[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]You have no idea how easy it is to hide depression.Thechaninator
In this case, Tina Meier knew her daughter had it.
From the article: "She was heavy and for years had tried to lose weight. She had attention deficit disorder and battled depression. Back in third grade she had talked about suicide, Tina says, and ever since had seen a therapist."
Wow I wish we could charge her mom with neglect as well.
Don't get me wrong, the mom who pulled the prank still deserves a harsh sentence for WILLINGLY terrorizing a girl who she knew to be unstable, but damn that mom should have been getting her child help.
Let's look at the longer version. "She was heavy and for years had tried to lose weight. She had attention deficit disorder and battled depression. Back in third grade she had talked about suicide, Tina says, and ever since had seen a therapist. But things were going exceptionally well. She had shed 20 pounds, getting down to 175. She was 5 foot 5½ inches tall. She had just started eighth grade at a new school, Immaculate Conception, in Dardenne Prairie, where she was on the volleyball team. She had attended Fort Zumwalt public schools before that." She was getting help.[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="msudude211"]Actually, she did make the girl commit suicide:"The mother of a teenager who committed suicide after becoming the target of an online hoax said today that the woman charged with perpetrating the hoax deserves life in prison."
And I think she should get life. What would you do if it was your kid who was targeted, TC?
Thechaninator
well no she should not, if i was the parents of the daughter who killed herself, i would have raised her better, so she would not commit suicide over a boy on the Internet, she must have been very very insecure....
Oh yes because the way you raise your kids has SOOO much bearing on mental illness:roll:
Seriously, since you obviously don't know **** about mental illness like the majority of the people here just keep your mouth shut. There is only so much to be done with stuff like this and depression is something that doesn't just magically go away, not with medication and not with supportive people. Hell, one of the reasons people get depressed is because they get blinded to the support they have waiting there for them.
The mom who did this is a disgrace and should probably lose her kids, if only to prevent her from trying to ruin her daughters enemies lives again. Quite honestly I can only hope she gets killed in someway so we have one less waste of flesh on this earth. Her actions make me sick and I think people messing around and taking advantage of people who are mentally ill only deserve the worse.
what was her mental illness? ................
I think it was just simple depression. Depression as in the medical condition, not the mood.then i am justifyed in what i was saying, depression is not mental illness, we all F IN get deppresed at some time in our life
No actually you aren't.
The MEDICAL condition involves a chemical imbalance that the girl would have no control over. Because of that, your comments are basically the same as calling a person who died of cancer weak. I guess they should have just "caught it earlier", except that both depression and cancer take a WHILE to treat. From what I know, they actually don't expect anti-depressants to have any real effect for months.....
You cant not compare cancer to depression, have you been depressed before???? I know i have at one point but i got over it and i didnt even use drugs. now if her mental illness was something like hearing voice in her head, then that women would be at fault. I dont think depression is an illness
Depression can both be a chemical imbalance or a simply mental issue with your thought process. Yes I had depression and like you mine went away after a while because my thinking changed. In this case this girl was talking of suicide IN THE 3RD GRADE! She had a bad imbalance and now I am also disgusted at her parents for not doing anything about this.
ok then... then i would put the blame on the parents... more than the woman who did the hoax(but she is childish for doing that) that woman should not get life not even 20 years not even 1 year......
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]You have no idea how easy it is to hide depression.deepdreamer256
In this case, Tina Meier knew her daughter had it.
From the article: "She was heavy and for years had tried to lose weight. She had attention deficit disorder and battled depression. Back in third grade she had talked about suicide, Tina says, and ever since had seen a therapist."
Wow I wish we could charge her mom with neglect as well.
Don't get me wrong, the mom who pulled the prank still deserves a harsh sentence for WILLINGLY terrorizing a girl who she knew to be unstable, but damn that mom should have been getting her child help.
Let's look at the longer version. "She was heavy and for years had tried to lose weight. She had attention deficit disorder and battled depression. Back in third grade she had talked about suicide, Tina says, and ever since had seen a therapist. But things were going exceptionally well. She had shed 20 pounds, getting down to 175. She was 5 foot 5½ inches tall. She had just started eighth grade at a new school, Immaculate Conception, in Dardenne Prairie, where she was on the volleyball team. She had attended Fort Zumwalt public schools before that." She was getting help.Shoot my bad I COMPLETELY read the "getting help" part wrong, my bad.
I wonder if they had her on any medication and how many different meds she was taking.....
[QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Well, say that this 'Lori Drew' really was the person who did this. In this case I believe she deserves nothing less than 20 years. Not only did she obviously know that this kid had depression, she deliberately targeted her and inflicted what I consider to be the absolute worst form of psychological bullying on the victim. If she was 49 years old, she should have been able to figure out the consequences of her actions, and hell, I think she most certainly did. Combining that with the actual consequences, and I think she deserves the full life sentence in prison. If she dies there, so be it.Thechaninator
That's nonsense. There is no reason to suspect she knew her actions would lead to the girl's suicide. Even if she did, she still wouldn't deserve such a severe sentence. People who commit vehicular manslaughter don't even receive punishments like that.
That doesn't make a damned bit of difference.
I might pull a prank by egging someone's car, but if that car then loses control and runs over a pedestrian, I am going to be prosecuted for the death of that pedestrian. It doesn't matter that I only threw an egg at a car. My actions will have directly lead to the death of a pedestrian.
But in your example it would be obvious your prank was the reason for the death of that pedestrian, the egg made the driver blind and probably surprised him.
Here you can't positively say without doubt that the woman's actions led to the girl's suicide. Like I said before, no one would expect any person with half a brain to kill themselves over an internet relationship.
If I went up to someone I knew to be a paranoid schizophrenic, handed them a gun, and told them to use it to fight back against the CIA don't you think I would be more than a little responsible for anyone killed by said person?
Yes of course you would, but no one handed that girl a gun to kill herself.....
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]Depression can both be a chemical imbalance or a simply mental issue with your thought process. Yes I had depression and like you mine went away after a while because my thinking changed. In this case this girl was talking of suicide IN THE 3RD GRADE! She had a bad imbalance and now I am also disgusted at her parents for not doing anything about this.bsman00ok then... then i would put the blame on the parents... more than the woman who did the hoax(but she is childish for doing that) that woman should not get life not even 20 years not even 1 year...... Could we try to keep down the post counts? "Back in third grade she had talked about suicide, Tina says, and ever since had seen a therapist." ^^ This. There isn't really much else she could have done.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="msudude211"]Actually, she did make the girl commit suicide:"The mother of a teenager who committed suicide after becoming the target of an online hoax said today that the woman charged with perpetrating the hoax deserves life in prison."
And I think she should get life. What would you do if it was your kid who was targeted, TC?
bsman00
well no she should not, if i was the parents of the daughter who killed herself, i would have raised her better, so she would not commit suicide over a boy on the Internet, she must have been very very insecure....
Oh yes because the way you raise your kids has SOOO much bearing on mental illness:roll:
Seriously, since you obviously don't know **** about mental illness like the majority of the people here just keep your mouth shut. There is only so much to be done with stuff like this and depression is something that doesn't just magically go away, not with medication and not with supportive people. Hell, one of the reasons people get depressed is because they get blinded to the support they have waiting there for them.
The mom who did this is a disgrace and should probably lose her kids, if only to prevent her from trying to ruin her daughters enemies lives again. Quite honestly I can only hope she gets killed in someway so we have one less waste of flesh on this earth. Her actions make me sick and I think people messing around and taking advantage of people who are mentally ill only deserve the worse.
what was her mental illness? ................
I think it was just simple depression. Depression as in the medical condition, not the mood.then i am justifyed in what i was saying, depression is not mental illness, we all F IN get deppresed at some time in our life
No actually you aren't.
The MEDICAL condition involves a chemical imbalance that the girl would have no control over. Because of that, your comments are basically the same as calling a person who died of cancer weak. I guess they should have just "caught it earlier", except that both depression and cancer take a WHILE to treat. From what I know, they actually don't expect anti-depressants to have any real effect for months.....
You cant not compare cancer to depression, have you been depressed before???? I know i have at one point but i got over it and i didnt even use drugs. now if her mental illness was something like hearing voice in her head, then that women would be at fault. I dont think depression is an illness
Depression can both be a chemical imbalance or a simply mental issue with your thought process. Yes I had depression and like you mine went away after a while because my thinking changed. In this case this girl was talking of suicide IN THE 3RD GRADE! She had a bad imbalance and now I am also disgusted at her parents for not doing anything about this.
ok then... then i would put the blame on the parents... more than the woman who did the hoax(but she is childish for doing that) that woman should not get life not even 20 years not even 1 year......
I don't understand why no one seems to take verbal abuse seriously. It can have just as bad if not WORSE effects on the victim as physical abuse yet you can only be held responsible and get charged with crimes yet if I terrorize someone mentally it's all good?
The womens actions gave her mental ammunition. The girls brain was like a unloaded gun and she just loaded it. You do not do such a thing to someone so unstable without expected a bad outcome.....
Yes of course you would, but no one handed that girl a gun to kill herself..... bsman00
...which should be valid enough to stop any talk about 20 years or more.
Punish Lori Drew like you would a stalker, not like you would a murderer.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Well, say that this 'Lori Drew' really was the person who did this. In this case I believe she deserves nothing less than 20 years. Not only did she obviously know that this kid had depression, she deliberately targeted her and inflicted what I consider to be the absolute worst form of psychological bullying on the victim. If she was 49 years old, she should have been able to figure out the consequences of her actions, and hell, I think she most certainly did. Combining that with the actual consequences, and I think she deserves the full life sentence in prison. If she dies there, so be it.bsman00
That's nonsense. There is no reason to suspect she knew her actions would lead to the girl's suicide. Even if she did, she still wouldn't deserve such a severe sentence. People who commit vehicular manslaughter don't even receive punishments like that.
That doesn't make a damned bit of difference.
I might pull a prank by egging someone's car, but if that car then loses control and runs over a pedestrian, I am going to be prosecuted for the death of that pedestrian. It doesn't matter that I only threw an egg at a car. My actions will have directly lead to the death of a pedestrian.
But in your example it would be obvious your prank was the reason for the death of that pedestrian, the egg made the driver blind and probably surprised him.
Here you can't positively say without doubt that the woman's actions led to the girl's suicide. Like I said before, no one would expect any person with half a brain to kill themselves over an internet relationship.
If I went up to someone I knew to be a paranoid schizophrenic, handed them a gun, and told them to use it to fight back against the CIA don't you think I would be more than a little responsible for anyone killed by said person?
Yes of course you would, but no one handed that girl a gun to kill herself.....
Account from the actual mother: Fifteen minutes later, Megan called her mother. By now Megan was in tears. "They are posting bulletins about me." A bulletin is like a survey. "Megan Meier is a slut. Megan Meier is fat." They may not have handed her a gun, but they handed her this. This isn't the type of behavior, or bullying, that is done with the simple intention of teaching someone a lesson. (Although whatever that lesson may have been is beyond me.)[QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Well, say that this 'Lori Drew' really was the person who did this. In this case I believe she deserves nothing less than 20 years. Not only did she obviously know that this kid had depression, she deliberately targeted her and inflicted what I consider to be the absolute worst form of psychological bullying on the victim. If she was 49 years old, she should have been able to figure out the consequences of her actions, and hell, I think she most certainly did. Combining that with the actual consequences, and I think she deserves the full life sentence in prison. If she dies there, so be it.Thechaninator
That's nonsense. There is no reason to suspect she knew her actions would lead to the girl's suicide. Even if she did, she still wouldn't deserve such a severe sentence. People who commit vehicular manslaughter don't even receive punishments like that.
That doesn't make a damned bit of difference.
I might pull a prank by egging someone's car, but if that car then loses control and runs over a pedestrian, I am going to be prosecuted for the death of that pedestrian. It doesn't matter that I only threw an egg at a car. My actions will have directly lead to the death of a pedestrian.
But in your example it would be obvious your prank was the reason for the death of that pedestrian, the egg made the driver blind and probably surprised him.
Here you can't positively say without doubt that the woman's actions led to the girl's suicide. Like I said before, no one would expect any person with half a brain to kill themselves over an internet relationship.
If I went up to someone I knew to be a paranoid schizophrenic, handed them a gun, and told them to use it to fight back against the CIA don't you think I would be more than a little responsible for anyone killed by said person?
That was very badly phrased...
What I meant to say was that the person egging the car could have logically foreseen his action could cause an accident an even the dead of someone, but the woman couldn't have foreseen her prank would end in suicide.
Man, I wrote something completely different from what I wanted to say and didn't even notice, WTF? :|
I don't understand why no one seems to take verbal abuse seriously. It can have just as bad if not WORSE effects on the victim as physical abuse yet you can only be held responsible and get charged with crimes yet if I terrorize someone mentally it's all good?I don't understand either. Physical bullying may last for about a day, but psychological bullying lasts a lifetime.
The womens actions gave her mental ammunition. The girls brain was like a unloaded gun and she just loaded it. You do not do such a thing to someone so unstable without expected a bad outcome.....Thechaninator
Wow, am I the only one that thinks this girl that committed suicide is a complete idiot? She deserved to die. Oh no he doesn't like me n e moar!!!. Dumb. She has caused more harm to her family than to herself. She shouldn't be remembered.killercuts3I wouldn't put it that harshly, but I see where you're coming from. Suicide is an extremely selfish act. People need to realize that your personal problems are nothing compared to the problems of the world around you, but still realize how much your life affects those around them.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Well, say that this 'Lori Drew' really was the person who did this. In this case I believe she deserves nothing less than 20 years. Not only did she obviously know that this kid had depression, she deliberately targeted her and inflicted what I consider to be the absolute worst form of psychological bullying on the victim. If she was 49 years old, she should have been able to figure out the consequences of her actions, and hell, I think she most certainly did. Combining that with the actual consequences, and I think she deserves the full life sentence in prison. If she dies there, so be it.black_cat19
That's nonsense. There is no reason to suspect she knew her actions would lead to the girl's suicide. Even if she did, she still wouldn't deserve such a severe sentence. People who commit vehicular manslaughter don't even receive punishments like that.
That doesn't make a damned bit of difference.
I might pull a prank by egging someone's car, but if that car then loses control and runs over a pedestrian, I am going to be prosecuted for the death of that pedestrian. It doesn't matter that I only threw an egg at a car. My actions will have directly lead to the death of a pedestrian.
But in your example it would be obvious your prank was the reason for the death of that pedestrian, the egg made the driver blind and probably surprised him.
Here you can't positively say without doubt that the woman's actions led to the girl's suicide. Like I said before, no one would expect any person with half a brain to kill themselves over an internet relationship.
If I went up to someone I knew to be a paranoid schizophrenic, handed them a gun, and told them to use it to fight back against the CIA don't you think I would be more than a little responsible for anyone killed by said person?
That was very badly phrased...
What I meant to say was that the person egging the car could have logically foreseen his action could cause an accident an even the dead of someone, but the woman couldn't have foreseen her prank would end in suicide.
Man, I wrote something completely different from what I wanted to say and didn't even notice, WTF? :|
If the women knew of the girls condition (which I think she did) she would have known what could have happened. Not only that, but last time I checked murder doesn't have to be pre-meditated for you to be charged.
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]I don't understand why no one seems to take verbal abuse seriously. It can have just as bad if not WORSE effects on the victim as physical abuse yet you can only be held responsible and get charged with crimes yet if I terrorize someone mentally it's all good?I don't understand either. Physical bullying may last for about a day, but psychological bullying lasts a lifetime.
The womens actions gave her mental ammunition. The girls brain was like a unloaded gun and she just loaded it. You do not do such a thing to someone so unstable without expected a bad outcome.....deepdreamer256
Oh believe me it all depends on the physical bullying itself. People have no idea what damage rapists and molesters can do to their victims......
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"]I don't understand why no one seems to take verbal abuse seriously. It can have just as bad if not WORSE effects on the victim as physical abuse yet you can only be held responsible and get charged with crimes yet if I terrorize someone mentally it's all good?I don't understand either. Physical bullying may last for about a day, but psychological bullying lasts a lifetime.
The womens actions gave her mental ammunition. The girls brain was like a unloaded gun and she just loaded it. You do not do such a thing to someone so unstable without expected a bad outcome.....deepdreamer256
Well if she did suffer from a mental illness...
good thing she's out of the gene pool.
Hooray for Natural Selection!
[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="msudude211"]Actually, she did make the girl commit suicide:"The mother of a teenager who committed suicide after becoming the target of an online hoax said today that the woman charged with perpetrating the hoax deserves life in prison."
And I think she should get life. What would you do if it was your kid who was targeted, TC?
Thechaninator
well no she should not, if i was the parents of the daughter who killed herself, i would have raised her better, so she would not commit suicide over a boy on the Internet, she must have been very very insecure....
Oh yes because the way you raise your kids has SOOO much bearing on mental illness:roll:
Seriously, since you obviously don't know **** about mental illness like the majority of the people here just keep your mouth shut. There is only so much to be done with stuff like this and depression is something that doesn't just magically go away, not with medication and not with supportive people. Hell, one of the reasons people get depressed is because they get blinded to the support they have waiting there for them.
The mom who did this is a disgrace and should probably lose her kids, if only to prevent her from trying to ruin her daughters enemies lives again. Quite honestly I can only hope she gets killed in someway so we have one less waste of flesh on this earth. Her actions make me sick and I think people messing around and taking advantage of people who are mentally ill only deserve the worse.
what was her mental illness? ................
I think it was just simple depression. Depression as in the medical condition, not the mood.then i am justifyed in what i was saying, depression is not mental illness, we all F IN get deppresed at some time in our life
No actually you aren't.
The MEDICAL condition involves a chemical imbalance that the girl would have no control over. Because of that, your comments are basically the same as calling a person who died of cancer weak. I guess they should have just "caught it earlier", except that both depression and cancer take a WHILE to treat. From what I know, they actually don't expect anti-depressants to have any real effect for months.....
Wait...I don't remember it saying anywhere in the article that the girl suffered from this form of depression. If it does then yes, I suppose you're right in a way, but otherwise, she's pretty much pathetic for getting so depressed over an internet boyfriend that she never had even met.
What's wrong with people today? :|
I don't understand either. Physical bullying may last for about a day, but psychological bullying lasts a lifetime.[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]I don't understand why no one seems to take verbal abuse seriously. It can have just as bad if not WORSE effects on the victim as physical abuse yet you can only be held responsible and get charged with crimes yet if I terrorize someone mentally it's all good?
The womens actions gave her mental ammunition. The girls brain was like a unloaded gun and she just loaded it. You do not do such a thing to someone so unstable without expected a bad outcome.....Dethshoot
Well if she did suffer from a mental illness...
good thing she's out of the gene pool.
Hooray for Natural Selection!
. . . Even if you were joking I don't find that even remotely funny.[QUOTE="Dethshoot"]I don't understand either. Physical bullying may last for about a day, but psychological bullying lasts a lifetime.[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"]I don't understand why no one seems to take verbal abuse seriously. It can have just as bad if not WORSE effects on the victim as physical abuse yet you can only be held responsible and get charged with crimes yet if I terrorize someone mentally it's all good?
The womens actions gave her mental ammunition. The girls brain was like a unloaded gun and she just loaded it. You do not do such a thing to someone so unstable without expected a bad outcome.....deepdreamer256
Well if she did suffer from a mental illness...
good thing she's out of the gene pool.
Hooray for Natural Selection!
. . . Even if you were joking I don't find that even remotely funny.I'm sure it'll give some people a couple laughs.
bury this B**** alive, a grown woman, and this is the s*** she does?
she well knew not to mess with a 13 year old, prank or not, its all fun and games when you make fun of a teenager until it kills it self, knowing well a large percentage of teens suffer from depression and low self esteem, she deliberately pull this one off.
words are the worst type of psychological weapon, get into the mind of your victim and you can make them do what ever you want. Just look at Charles Manson.
Alot of people, unfortunately, are beggining to neglect the issue at the heart of the matter.bury this B**** alive, a grown woman, and this is the s*** she does?
she well knew not to mess with a 13 year old, prank or not, its all fun and games when you make fun of a teenager until it kills it self, knowing well a large percentage of teens suffer from depression and low self esteem, she deliberately pull this one off.
words are the worst type of psychological weapon, get into the mind of your victim and you can make them do what ever you want. Just look at Charles Manson.
WW2_freak
[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Well, say that this 'Lori Drew' really was the person who did this. In this case I believe she deserves nothing less than 20 years. Not only did she obviously know that this kid had depression, she deliberately targeted her and inflicted what I consider to be the absolute worst form of psychological bullying on the victim. If she was 49 years old, she should have been able to figure out the consequences of her actions, and hell, I think she most certainly did. Combining that with the actual consequences, and I think she deserves the full life sentence in prison. If she dies there, so be it.deepdreamer256
That's nonsense. There is no reason to suspect she knew her actions would lead to the girl's suicide. Even if she did, she still wouldn't deserve such a severe sentence. People who commit vehicular manslaughter don't even receive punishments like that.
That doesn't make a damned bit of difference.
I might pull a prank by egging someone's car, but if that car then loses control and runs over a pedestrian, I am going to be prosecuted for the death of that pedestrian. It doesn't matter that I only threw an egg at a car. My actions will have directly lead to the death of a pedestrian.
But in your example it would be obvious your prank was the reason for the death of that pedestrian, the egg made the driver blind and probably surprised him.
Here you can't positively say without doubt that the woman's actions led to the girl's suicide. Like I said before, no one would expect any person with half a brain to kill themselves over an internet relationship.
If I went up to someone I knew to be a paranoid schizophrenic, handed them a gun, and told them to use it to fight back against the CIA don't you think I would be more than a little responsible for anyone killed by said person?
Yes of course you would, but no one handed that girl a gun to kill herself.....
Account from the actual mother: Fifteen minutes later, Megan called her mother. By now Megan was in tears. "They are posting bulletins about me." A bulletin is like a survey. "Megan Meier is a slut. Megan Meier is fat." They may not have handed her a gun, but they handed her this. This isn't the type of behavior, or bullying, that is done with the simple intention of teaching someone a lesson. (Although whatever that lesson may have been is beyond me.)yeah they called her names so what.......i had a problem when i was about her age 15 to 16 i use to get made fun of alot.... but you dont see me killing my self those are just words....... i dont have any respect for people when they kill them selfs there is no reason to kill yourself.....
I don't understand why no one seems to take verbal abuse seriously. It can have just as bad if not WORSE effects on the victim as physical abuse yet you can only be held responsible and get charged with crimes yet if I terrorize someone mentally it's all good?
The womens actions gave her mental ammunition. The girls brain was like a unloaded gun and she just loaded it. You do not do such a thing to someone so unstable without expected a bad outcome.....Thechaninator
While I certainly don't condone verbal abuse, there is something to be said for "sticks and stones".
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="msudude211"]Actually, she did make the girl commit suicide:"The mother of a teenager who committed suicide after becoming the target of an online hoax said today that the woman charged with perpetrating the hoax deserves life in prison."
And I think she should get life. What would you do if it was your kid who was targeted, TC?
Tim_Q
well no she should not, if i was the parents of the daughter who killed herself, i would have raised her better, so she would not commit suicide over a boy on the Internet, she must have been very very insecure....
Oh yes because the way you raise your kids has SOOO much bearing on mental illness:roll:
Seriously, since you obviously don't know **** about mental illness like the majority of the people here just keep your mouth shut. There is only so much to be done with stuff like this and depression is something that doesn't just magically go away, not with medication and not with supportive people. Hell, one of the reasons people get depressed is because they get blinded to the support they have waiting there for them.
The mom who did this is a disgrace and should probably lose her kids, if only to prevent her from trying to ruin her daughters enemies lives again. Quite honestly I can only hope she gets killed in someway so we have one less waste of flesh on this earth. Her actions make me sick and I think people messing around and taking advantage of people who are mentally ill only deserve the worse.
what was her mental illness? ................
I think it was just simple depression. Depression as in the medical condition, not the mood.then i am justifyed in what i was saying, depression is not mental illness, we all F IN get deppresed at some time in our life
No actually you aren't.
The MEDICAL condition involves a chemical imbalance that the girl would have no control over. Because of that, your comments are basically the same as calling a person who died of cancer weak. I guess they should have just "caught it earlier", except that both depression and cancer take a WHILE to treat. From what I know, they actually don't expect anti-depressants to have any real effect for months.....
Wait...I don't remember it saying anywhere in the article that the girl suffered from this form of depression. If it does then yes, I suppose you're right in a way, but otherwise, she's pretty much pathetic for getting so depressed over an internet boyfriend that she never had even met.
What's wrong with people today? :|
Seem like we are becoming weak minded people.......geee i wonder how that could be happening
[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"]Account from the actual mother: Fifteen minutes later, Megan called her mother. By now Megan was in tears. "They are posting bulletins about me." A bulletin is like a survey. "Megan Meier is a slut. Megan Meier is fat." They may not have handed her a gun, but they handed her this. This isn't the type of behavior, or bullying, that is done with the simple intention of teaching someone a lesson. (Although whatever that lesson may have been is beyond me.)bsman00yeah they called her names so what.......i had a problem when i was about her age 15 to 16 i use to get made fun of alot.... but you dont see me killing my self those are just words....... i dont have any respect for people when they kill them selfs there is no reason to kill yourself..... Well, you aren't a teenage girl with depression now, are you?
[QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="Thechaninator"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="msudude211"]Actually, she did make the girl commit suicide:"The mother of a teenager who committed suicide after becoming the target of an online hoax said today that the woman charged with perpetrating the hoax deserves life in prison."
And I think she should get life. What would you do if it was your kid who was targeted, TC?
Tim_Q
well no she should not, if i was the parents of the daughter who killed herself, i would have raised her better, so she would not commit suicide over a boy on the Internet, she must have been very very insecure....
Oh yes because the way you raise your kids has SOOO much bearing on mental illness:roll:
Seriously, since you obviously don't know **** about mental illness like the majority of the people here just keep your mouth shut. There is only so much to be done with stuff like this and depression is something that doesn't just magically go away, not with medication and not with supportive people. Hell, one of the reasons people get depressed is because they get blinded to the support they have waiting there for them.
The mom who did this is a disgrace and should probably lose her kids, if only to prevent her from trying to ruin her daughters enemies lives again. Quite honestly I can only hope she gets killed in someway so we have one less waste of flesh on this earth. Her actions make me sick and I think people messing around and taking advantage of people who are mentally ill only deserve the worse.
what was her mental illness? ................
I think it was just simple depression. Depression as in the medical condition, not the mood.then i am justifyed in what i was saying, depression is not mental illness, we all F IN get deppresed at some time in our life
No actually you aren't.
The MEDICAL condition involves a chemical imbalance that the girl would have no control over. Because of that, your comments are basically the same as calling a person who died of cancer weak. I guess they should have just "caught it earlier", except that both depression and cancer take a WHILE to treat. From what I know, they actually don't expect anti-depressants to have any real effect for months.....
Wait...I don't remember it saying anywhere in the article that the girl suffered from this form of depression. If it does then yes, I suppose you're right in a way, but otherwise, she's pretty much pathetic for getting so depressed over an internet boyfriend that she never had even met.
What's wrong with people today? :|
I was making a guess that she had that form based on her talking of suicide in 3rd grade. No normal kid would think of such a thing that young......
She isn't pathetic she had freaking depression! that screws with your view on the world and anytime 1 thing goes wrong it just brings back every single thing that has ever gone wrong for you. Trust me, I know from experience....
People need to learn that these illnesses are insanely powerful and sheer willpower isn't enough to cure them. It takes lots of time and sometimes a lifetime of medication (I am lucky enough to not be on meds and be fine). I have seen a friend of mine battle annorexia for years now and it is amazing the way it just creeps back time and time again despite her hating it.....
It is funny how people will show compassion to addicts yet no compassion to someone suffering from depression....
She hung herself an hour after Josh (hoax) said: "The world would be a better place without you."
I could see how this comment could really get to somebody, I know it would disturb me a bit. I mean think about it, having a relationship with somebody and liking them (even though it was a hoax, she didn't know it) and being told that on the spot by somebody that you care about and have strong feelings for. It would get to me (but not NEARLY that extreme.)
She hung herself an hour after Josh (hoax) said: "The world would be a better place without you."
I could see how this comment could really get to somebody, I know it would disturb me a bit. I mean think about it, having a relationship with somebody and liking them (even though it was a hoax, she didn't know it) and being told that on the spot by somebody that you care about and have strong feelings for. It would get to me (but not NEARLY that extreme.)
Nills
Am I the only one here who thinks that line shows the mom wanted the kid to kill herself, subconciously at the very least?
Seriously, I know if I was to say that to someone I would very much MEAN IT!
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