You just won the lottery!

Your family is killed by people wanting your money.

In response, you build a shelter for families and save many lives.

One of the kids you saved became known as "The Second Hitler."

His son developed a cure for cancer.

This cycle of good/bad events started from your winning the lottery goes on forever.

My question to you: Was winning the lottery a good thing or a bad thing?

Bad. I'd have been happier before.bluezy

But what of all the good things that happened because of you? I mean, cure for cancer. . .

Bad, I'd rather be poor than alone. TheProtecter

Are you judging good/bad by what happens to you or by what happens?

Its both, for me and the people that the second Hitler killes, its a horrible thing, for those who have cancer and those that have to go to the shelter, its a great thing. Darth-Caedus

At the time of winning the lottery, could you possibly predict any of these outcomes?

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Its both, for me and the people that the second Hitler killes, its a horrible thing, for those who have cancer and those that have to go to the shelter, its a great thing. Theokhoth

At the time of winning the lottery, could you possibly predict any of these outcomes?

I don't know. Although I don't think a bad outcome can be erased by an equivalently positive outcome, still I wouldn't feel responsible for other outcomes other than the death of my family. Although I might feel a guilt, since it wasn't my intention I don't think there's a question here on whether I have the responsibility or not.Teenaged

The question isn't about responsibility inasmuch as it's about determining whether something is good or bad based on what happens because of it.

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[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Its both, for me and the people that the second Hitler killes, its a horrible thing, for those who have cancer and those that have to go to the shelter, its a great thing. Darth-Caedus

At the time of winning the lottery, could you possibly predict any of these outcomes?

Goddamn, I love that quote.

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

At the time of winning the lottery, could you possibly predict any of these outcomes?

Theokhoth

Goddamn, I love that quote.

Neither. The good and bad events cancel each other out so that winning the lottery was a neutral event.Tauruslink

Can there be such a thing as a neutral event?

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Neither. The good and bad events cancel each other out so that winning the lottery was a neutral event.Theokhoth

Can there be such a thing as a neutral event?

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[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Neither. The good and bad events cancel each other out so that winning the lottery was a neutral event.Tauruslink

Can there be such a thing as a neutral event?

Sorry, I'm just bored today.

Me too. Why the hell else would I make this topic?:P

Now answer the damn question.:x

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Can there be such a thing as a neutral event?

Theokhoth

Sorry, I'm just bored today.

Me too. Why the hell else would I make this topic?:P

Now answer the damn question.:x

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Neither. The good and bad events cancel each other out so that winning the lottery was a neutral event.Theokhoth

Can there be such a thing as a neutral event?

Well I suppose yes. I mean if something can be good, and if it can be bad, then I'm sure it can be in between. I don't think that life is black/white; there are many shades of gray in between.Tauruslink

What else falls under the "neutral" category? Note that I'm not speaking of objects (Genetic_Code >_>), but rather events that occur because of those objects; I'm not talking about the money you won, but what happened because you won it.

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[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]Neither. The good and bad events cancel each other out so that winning the lottery was a neutral event.Darth-Caedus

Can there be such a thing as a neutral event?

Is it all a matter of perspective?

I'd say it was morally neutral, and yes, such a thing exists. Is bathing yourself moral or imorral? See my point?Video_Game_King

Well, if you don't bathe, you begin to stink and look unpleasant. Go a very long time without bathing and you can get sick; and then you could pass whatever illness onto someone else.

So I think bathing could be a moral action.

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Can there be such a thing as a neutral event?

Theokhoth

Is it all a matter of perspective?

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]

Well I suppose yes. I mean if something can be good, and if it can be bad, then I'm sure it can be in between. I don't think that life is black/white; there are many shades of gray in between.Theokhoth

What else falls under the "neutral" category? Note that I'm not speaking of objects (Genetic_Code >_>), but rather events that occur because of those objects; I'm not talking about the money you won, but what happened because you won it.

[QUOTE="Tauruslink"]

Well I suppose yes. I mean if something can be good, and if it can be bad, then I'm sure it can be in between. I don't think that life is black/white; there are many shades of gray in between.Theokhoth

What else falls under the "neutral" category? Note that I'm not speaking of objects (Genetic_Code >_>), but rather events that occur because of those objects; I'm not talking about the money you won, but what happened because you won it.

I . . . I . . . I DON'T KNOW!!!!:cry: I knew there was more to this than I initally thought!!!!

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"] Can there be such a thing as a good or bad event, when its all a matter of perspective? Darth-Caedus

Is it all a matter of perspective?

Therefore, it is neither good nor bad? Maybe it's both. Or maybe the people who think it's good are wrong and it's bad, or maybe the people who think it's bad are wrong and it's good. How do we tell?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"]

Well I suppose yes. I mean if something can be good, and if it can be bad, then I'm sure it can be in between. I don't think that life is black/white; there are many shades of gray in between.Tauruslink

What else falls under the "neutral" category? Note that I'm not speaking of objects (Genetic_Code >_>), but rather events that occur because of those objects; I'm not talking about the money you won, but what happened because you won it.

I . . . I . . . I DON'T KNOW!!!!:cry: I knew there was more to this than I initally thought!!!!

That's how anything interesting begins: with a meaningless little question.:D

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Is it all a matter of perspective?

Theokhoth

Therefore, it is neither good nor bad? Maybe it's both. Or maybe the people who think it's good are wrong and it's bad, or maybe the people who think it's bad are wrong and it's good. How do we tell?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Tauruslink"]

Well I suppose yes. I mean if something can be good, and if it can be bad, then I'm sure it can be in between. I don't think that life is black/white; there are many shades of gray in between.Genetic_Code

What else falls under the "neutral" category? Note that I'm not speaking of objects (Genetic_Code >_>), but rather events that occur because of those objects; I'm not talking about the money you won, but what happened because you won it.

I think you did. >_>

I think you did. >_>

Theokhoth

Maybe we can't tell for sure, or objectively.Teenaged

Are all opinions equal?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Maybe we can't tell for sure, or objectively.Theokhoth

Are all opinions equal?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Maybe we can't tell for sure, or objectively.Teenaged

Are all opinions equal?

Here's an interesting thought: Opinions are subjective. But would you say the opinion of a doctor is more valuable than the opinion of a football player on the properties of cancer?

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]I'd say it was morally neutral, and yes, such a thing exists. Is bathing yourself moral or imorral? See my point?Theokhoth

Well, if you don't bathe, you begin to stink and look unpleasant. Go a very long time without bathing and you can get sick; and then you could pass whatever illness onto someone else.

So I think bathing could be a moral action.

Let me put it another way: this way.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Are all opinions equal?

Theokhoth

Here's an interesting thought: Opinions are subjective. But would you say the opinion of a doctor is more valuable than the opinion of a football player on the properties of cancer?

I understand what you are saying, that's why I said in some cases. But still who would be to judge whether the outcome of this ****ing lottery was positive or negative and in what degree. These are one of the case where I think opinions are subjective; not wrong, but subjective and personal.

How much money are we talking about? fastesttruck

Apparently enough to create Vault 13 :P.

• I don't ever talk to anybody in my family tree so I wouldn't notice if anybody suddenly bumped them off
• Saving others from the misery of street life would boost my rather waning self-esteem
• The world is always in need of an evil to rally against
• Obviously the cure for cancer would be a nice trade-off but personally I'm rather fond of its herd trimming ways

That's hard to say. Inevitably, the cure for cancer would probably save more people than "The Second Hitler would kill, so it would be good for humanity. That said... my family would be dead :(.chessmaster1989

Yes, certianly, good for humanity is only measured in how many can survive -_-

For me personally it was a bad thing cuz no matter how much the lottery be, losing my family over it would never be worth it.

As for general, it's definitely bad as well. Someone else would have developed the cure for cancer, maybe it'll just take a few more years however someone would not necessarily be the next hitler.

There's no definite answer but probabilities say that it was a bad thing to win the lottery...

Personally I don't see the cure for cancer necessarily as just a good thing.

If you look at the death rates by age, you'll see that more than three quarters of cancer deaths (76%) occur in people aged 65 years and over. If a definite cure of cancer was made, then the overall life expectancy of any population would increase. What would this lead to? An overall older population, i.e less working individuals, and more people living on pension. The decrease of birth rates in western countries (and other aswell) are alrady disturbingly low, and this along with a generally longer living population would put a huge strain on society.

Less people working, more people consuming, this would inevitably lead to poverty and the elderly would not get the treatment and pension that they need.