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#1 Capitan_Kid
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Can you engage in manly fisticuffs? Can ya put up ya dukes? Im a lover not a fighter....yet! I wanna learn muay thai. Looks cool. So what can you do? Street fight? Taekwando? Sit in a corner in fetal position?
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#2 jim_shorts
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I could hold my own against anyone that's more or less the same size as me.

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#3 DeadMan1290
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I think I can throw a punch, but I'd most likely get my ass kicked in a real fight.....

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#4 LLYNCES
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I'm alright but not amazing or anything. I know how to throw a proper punch, block and keep a good fighting stance.

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#5 johnd13
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I' ve never fought in my life as I don' t spend that much time with people to get in fights. Considering that I' m not really strong I would bet against me if faced with someone larger or more capable in fighting. Other than that I guess I can give my share of punches and kicks in a fight. At least I think I can...

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#6 michaelP4
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Sure. But it's obviously not desirable, and really, what use is martial arts if your opponent has a knife, gun or has other people with them? That's not to say I don't value martial arts but I wouldn't say learning one is going to actually protect you or make you a good fighter.
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Can you engage in manly fisticuffs? Can ya put up ya dukes? Im a lover not a fighter....yet! I wanna learn muay thai. Looks cool. So what can you do? Street fight? Taekwando? Sit in a corner in fetal position?Capitan_Kid

I prefer to kick the guy in the nuts (the kidneys would be a good sub) and then kick him some more when he's on the ground. I pick my battles though. I have no qualms about tucking tail between my legs and running away if I see I'm overmatched.

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#8 worlock77
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I couldn't win any competitions, but I've held my own in the few actual fights I've been in. Also I'll fight dirty. I'm not above eye gouges, groin hits or grabbing anything within reach as a weapon.
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#9 BiancaDK
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I don't value martial arts but I wouldn't say learning one is going to actually protect you or make you a good fighter.michaelP4
what makes a good fighter, if not training in how to fight curious genes?
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#10 Pirate700
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Getting into fights in today's age is stupid unless you enjoy legal issues and lawsuits.

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#11 DeadMan1290
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I couldn't win any competitions, but I've held my own in the few actual fights I've been in. Also I'll fight dirty. I'm not above eye gouges, groin hits or grabbing anything within reach as a weapon.worlock77
Everything is fair in love and war.
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#12 jim_shorts
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[QUOTE="michaelP4"]I don't value martial arts but I wouldn't say learning one is going to actually protect you or make you a good fighter.BiancaDK
what makes a good fighter, if not training in how to fight curious genes?

Experience mostly.
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#13 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="michaelP4"]I don't value martial arts but I wouldn't say learning one is going to actually protect you or make you a good fighter.BiancaDK
what makes a good fighter, if not training in how to fight curious genes?

Many people will tell you that outside of the dojo, martial arts does little for self defense for most people. Once the adrenaline kicks in, all the training goes right out the window.

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#14 LikeHaterade
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I will say that I've been in and seen enough fights to do everything in my power not get into one.

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#15 DeadMan1290
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="michaelP4"]I don't value martial arts but I wouldn't say learning one is going to actually protect you or make you a good fighter.Pirate700

what makes a good fighter, if not training in how to fight curious genes?

Many people will tell you that outside of the dojo, martial arts does little for self defense for most people. Once the adrenaline kicks in, all the training goes right out the window.

Exactly. When you feel you're about to get a bad beating, instincts kick in and not even you know what you're doing, lol.
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#16 worlock77
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[QUOTE="michaelP4"]I don't value martial arts but I wouldn't say learning one is going to actually protect you or make you a good fighter.BiancaDK
what makes a good fighter, if not training in how to fight curious genes?

Thing is martial arts are taught in structured classes, with rules, and "fairness", and controled conditions, etc. All of that goes straight the f*ck out the window in an actual street fight.
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#17 Capitan_Kid
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="michaelP4"]I don't value martial arts but I wouldn't say learning one is going to actually protect you or make you a good fighter.Pirate700

what makes a good fighter, if not training in how to fight curious genes?

Many people will tell you that outside of the dojo, martial arts does little for self defense for most people. Once the adrenaline kicks in, all the training goes right out the window.

Those people obviously lack discipline. If you really hone your skills you can disarm someone with relative ease.
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#18 worlock77
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] what makes a good fighter, if not training in how to fight curious genes?Capitan_Kid

Many people will tell you that outside of the dojo, martial arts does little for self defense for most people. Once the adrenaline kicks in, all the training goes right out the window.

Those people obviously lack discipline. If you really hone your skills you can disarm someone with relative ease.

Yup, just like in all the movies brah.
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#19 BiancaDK
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="michaelP4"]I don't value martial arts but I wouldn't say learning one is going to actually protect you or make you a good fighter.jim_shorts
what makes a good fighter, if not training in how to fight curious genes?

Experience mostly.

something which any martial art, regardless of mix, branch or trainer, cannot provide?
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#20 BiancaDK
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Many people will tell you that outside of the dojo, martial arts does little for self defense for most people. Once the adrenaline kicks in, all the training goes right out the window.

Pirate700
how can you generalize like that while maintaining any meaningful amount of integrity in your argument? many people will tell me many things; yes
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#21 heytheredarlin
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Sure. I've been doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai for some time now.

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#22 BiancaDK
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Thing is martial arts are taught in structured classes, with rules, and "fairness", and controled conditions, etc. All of that goes straight the f*ck out the window in an actual street fight.worlock77
why does anyone bother to train special forces in hand-to-hand combat then?
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[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Can you engage in manly fisticuffs? Can ya put up ya dukes? Im a lover not a fighter....yet! I wanna learn muay thai. Looks cool. So what can you do? Street fight? Taekwando? Sit in a corner in fetal position?jun_aka_pekto

I prefer to kick the guy in the nuts (the kidneys would be a good sub) and then kick him some more when he's on the ground. I pick my battles though. I have no qualms about tucking tail between my legs and running away if I see I'm overmatched.

So you kick a guy in the balls and if that doesn't work run away? Sad.

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I know my fair share of Kyokushin. Never tried it on the street though

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#25 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] what makes a good fighter, if not training in how to fight curious genes?Capitan_Kid

Many people will tell you that outside of the dojo, martial arts does little for self defense for most people. Once the adrenaline kicks in, all the training goes right out the window.

Those people obviously lack discipline. If you really hone your skills you can disarm someone with relative ease.

Real life isn't like the movies. The whole discipline thing is hollywood bologna for your average person in a real self defense situatiion.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]Thing is martial arts are taught in structured classes, with rules, and "fairness", and controled conditions, etc. All of that goes straight the f*ck out the window in an actual street fight.BiancaDK
why does anyone bother to train special forces in hand-to-hand combat then?

Easy. A false sense of security.

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#27 Lu-Kang
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Not officially; I just know basics correct stance, block, most effecient punch, etc

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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="worlock77"]Thing is martial arts are taught in structured classes, with rules, and "fairness", and controled conditions, etc. All of that goes straight the f*ck out the window in an actual street fight.Pirate700

why does anyone bother to train special forces in hand-to-hand combat then?

Easy. A false sense of security.

That's not true. Lots of people are able to apply training in a real life situation.
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#29 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] why does anyone bother to train special forces in hand-to-hand combat then?jim_shorts

Easy. A false sense of security.

That's not true. Lots of people are able to apply training in a real life situation.

I know they are. I didn't say it doesn't work for everyone.

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#30 BiancaDK
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="worlock77"]Thing is martial arts are taught in structured classes, with rules, and "fairness", and controled conditions, etc. All of that goes straight the f*ck out the window in an actual street fight.Pirate700

why does anyone bother to train special forces in hand-to-hand combat then?

Easy. A false sense of security.

you are being facetious!
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]Thing is martial arts are taught in structured classes, with rules, and "fairness", and controled conditions, etc. All of that goes straight the f*ck out the window in an actual street fight.BiancaDK
why does anyone bother to train special forces in hand-to-hand combat then?

Because traing can be valuable even if it doesn't automatically make you an unstoppable force of fists and fury. Kind like how training on a gun range can develop shooting skills but will never prepare you for real combat.
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#32 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] why does anyone bother to train special forces in hand-to-hand combat then?BiancaDK

Easy. A false sense of security.

you are being facetious!

Nope. Your average person shouldn't count on their shopping mall classes to actually help them in a real defense situation.

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#33 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="worlock77"]Thing is martial arts are taught in structured classes, with rules, and "fairness", and controled conditions, etc. All of that goes straight the f*ck out the window in an actual street fight.worlock77
why does anyone bother to train special forces in hand-to-hand combat then?

Because traing can be valuable even if it doesn't automatically make you an unstoppable force of fists and fury. Kind like how training on a gun range can develop shooting skills but will never prepare you for real combat.

A lot of people also just like it has a hobby and for exercise. Not everyone does martial arts to become a badass.

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#34 BiancaDK
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Because traing can be valuable even if it doesn't automatically make you an unstoppable force of fists and fury. Kind like how training on a gun range can develop shooting skills but will never prepare you for real combat.worlock77
how can training be valuable in terms of a fight, if said training goes straight out the window?
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]Because traing can be valuable even if it doesn't automatically make you an unstoppable force of fists and fury. Kind like how training on a gun range can develop shooting skills but will never prepare you for real combat.BiancaDK
how can training be valuable in terms of a fight, if said training goes straight out the window?

For some people it does sink in and help. For your average person, I wouldn't count on it though.

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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]Can you engage in manly fisticuffs? Can ya put up ya dukes? Im a lover not a fighter....yet! I wanna learn muay thai. Looks cool. So what can you do? Street fight? Taekwando? Sit in a corner in fetal position?heytheredarlin

I prefer to kick the guy in the nuts (the kidneys would be a good sub) and then kick him some more when he's on the ground. I pick my battles though. I have no qualms about tucking tail between my legs and running away if I see I'm overmatched.

So you kick a guy in the balls and if that doesn't work run away? Sad.

I've only tried it twice: once in elementary school and once in HS. Both times I missed the family jewels and got them on the kidneys. Both times, they went down. Both times, I was pi**ed enough to continue kicking them while they were down. Both times, I ran away at the bell before the teachers noticed. Both times my dad found out and then it was my turn to take it on the gut.

I don't question my instincts when self-preservation kicks in. Sad? So what? I'm alive and unscathed. That's all that matters. When the will to live kicks in, I'm also full of adrenalin. When I was in kindergarten, a dog growled at me and started chasing me. I ran scared as hell. Somehow, I managed to get on the hood of a jeep in one jump and to the roof in another jump.

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I learned how to fight in junior high and high school because I was tired of getting bullied. I figured if I was going to get my ass kicked anyway I may as well put on some hurt of my own.

I'm not trained or anything but by the time I left high school I fought well enough that people I didn't like had a healthy fear of me. Actually, they were probably scared because once I started laying into someone, I didn't stop until I was unconcious or pulled off. That caused me quite a bit of legal trouble.:(

I haven't had a fight since I left high school so since 1994. I have come close, but I think planting myself and standing my ground instead of backing off has actually prevented more fights than it has caused.

Most people don't want to fight someone who is willing and able to fight them back.

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[QUOTE="michaelP4"]I don't value martial arts but I wouldn't say learning one is going to actually protect you or make you a good fighter.BiancaDK
what makes a good fighter, if not training in how to fight curious genes?

Martial arts does not necessarily equate to training how to fight. Martial arts are sports, and can teach you how to be good at the certain sport. For example, taekwondo trains one to be proficient in a point-hit system under taekwondo rules. That doesn't mean you'll be a good fighter in a street fight, or a full-contact rules sport.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]Because traing can be valuable even if it doesn't automatically make you an unstoppable force of fists and fury. Kind like how training on a gun range can develop shooting skills but will never prepare you for real combat.BiancaDK
how can training be valuable in terms of a fight, if said training goes straight out the window?

Ponder, for a moment, the conditions of a dojo then ponder the conditions of, say, an armed mugging on a dark street. If you can't figure out the answer then I'm not sure that I can possibly explain it to you.
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#41 NiKva
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I could hold my own against anyone that's more or less the same size as me.

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Same as this. I know how to throw a punch, but other than that, not much.
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#42 BiancaDK
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For some people it does sink in and help. For your average person, I wouldn't count on it though.

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#43 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

For some people it does sink in and help. For your average person, I wouldn't count on it though.

BiancaDK

pirate the skeptic :(

I'm not being a skeptic. Modern martial arts is a sport. It's meant for you to complete against other within the sport. Either for exercise, a hobby or both. Don't count on martial arts making you a kung Fu dragon master that shoots fireballs at people. :P

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#44 BiancaDK
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Martial arts does not necessarily equate to training how to fight. Martial arts are sports, and can teach you how to be good at the certain sport. For example, taekwondo trains one to be proficient in a point-hit system under taekwondo rules. That doesn't mean you'll be a good fighter in a street fight, or a full-contact rules sport.

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i never said that martial arts necessarily equated to anything, my gripe remains with what i perceive to be massive generalizations concerning the practical value of any martial art i simply do not see how one can generalize martial arts to the point of saying it has no practical use in a real life situation
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Ponder, for a moment, the conditions of a dojo then ponder the conditions of, say, an armed mugging on a dark street. If you can't figure out the answer then I'm not sure that I can possibly explain it to you.worlock77
could you not talk down to me? lol i never said that experiences accumulated in a dojo somehow perfectly translated into real life situations, i understand that those are two different settings, but to generalize martial arts to the point of it being rendered null and void in any real life situation just boggles my mind
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]Ponder, for a moment, the conditions of a dojo then ponder the conditions of, say, an armed mugging on a dark street. If you can't figure out the answer then I'm not sure that I can possibly explain it to you.BiancaDK
could you not talk down to me? lol i never said that experiences accumulated in a dojo somehow perfectly translated into real life situations, i understand that those are two different settings, but to generalize martial arts to the point of it being rendered null and void in any real life situation just boggles my mind

Modern martial arts is almost purely a sport meant to compete against others in a controlled situation.

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#48 BiancaDK
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="worlock77"]Ponder, for a moment, the conditions of a dojo then ponder the conditions of, say, an armed mugging on a dark street. If you can't figure out the answer then I'm not sure that I can possibly explain it to you.Pirate700

could you not talk down to me? lol i never said that experiences accumulated in a dojo somehow perfectly translated into real life situations, i understand that those are two different settings, but to generalize martial arts to the point of it being rendered null and void in any real life situation just boggles my mind

Modern martial arts is almost purely a sport meant to compete against others in a controlled situation.

no arguing that