You know how to fight?

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] could you not talk down to me? lol i never said that experiences accumulated in a dojo somehow perfectly translated into real life situations, i understand that those are two different settings, but to generalize martial arts to the point of it being rendered null and void in any real life situation just boggles my mindBiancaDK

[QUOTE="worlock77"]Ponder, for a moment, the conditions of a dojo then ponder the conditions of, say, an armed mugging on a dark street. If you can't figure out the answer then I'm not sure that I can possibly explain it to you.BiancaDK

[QUOTE="worlock77"]I couldn't win any competitions, but I've held my own in the few actual fights I've been in. Also I'll fight dirty. I'm not above eye gouges, groin hits or grabbing anything within reach as a weapon.Vuurk

but the point is that professional mma fighters still have training in wrestling, jiu jitsu, and striking. They are still going to beat the sh*t out of anyone in a street fight. Vuurk

[QUOTE="worlock77"]I couldn't win any competitions, but I've held my own in the few actual fights I've been in. Also I'll fight dirty. I'm not above eye gouges, groin hits or grabbing anything within reach as a weapon.Vuurk

[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="worlock77"]I couldn't win any competitions, but I've held my own in the few actual fights I've been in. Also I'll fight dirty. I'm not above eye gouges, groin hits or grabbing anything within reach as a weapon.worlock77

I think you guys are overestimating the power of a groin kick.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Vuurk"] I'd understand if your getting mugged/assaulted, but if you're engaging in a mutual fight due to an argument or something then resorting to dirty fighting is incredibly pathetic. Vuurk

They aren't really meant for you to defend yourself on the streets. You're better off taking a course specifically for that if that's what you want. Traditional martial arts is mainly just for competing and for exercise.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] I'd understand if your getting mugged/assaulted, but if you're engaging in a mutual fight due to an argument or something then resorting to dirty fighting is incredibly pathetic. heytheredarlin

I think you guys are overestimating the power of a groin kick.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Vuurk"] I'm not saying it isn't. However, it happens all of the time and if you start engaging in eye gouging when you are in a mutual fight, then you are not a man. Vuurk

Nobody's claiming that it's necessarily null and void. But unless one can apply it to real life, uncomfortable, uncontrolled situations then, no, it's not going to do you a hell of a lot of good. Stop missing the point and I won't "talk down" to you.worlock77

[QUOTE="heytheredarlin"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"] Nope. In said fight the goal is self preservation. The other dude means to do me harm. If he takes a foot to the nutsack in order for me to walk away as in tact as possible then that's his problem, not mine.worlock77

I think you guys are overestimating the power of a groin kick.

No. If you're in a street fight and get hit with a telegraphed groin kick, you probably shouldn't be getting into altercations of any kind.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]Nobody's claiming that it's necessarily null and void. But unless one can apply it to real life, uncomfortable, uncontrolled situations then, no, it's not going to do you a hell of a lot of good. Stop missing the point and I won't "talk down" to you.BiancaDK

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="heytheredarlin"]

I think you guys are overestimating the power of a groin kick.

heytheredarlin

No. If you're in a street fight and get hit with a telegraphed groin kick, you probably shouldn't be getting into altercations of any kind.

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="BiancaDK"] you think i'm the one missing the point here? good lord! Vuurk

This. I've Wrestled in high school and at my community college before doing Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai. OT is pretty ignorant if they think groin kicks are going to keep them from getting their ass kicked against someone who is well trained.

[QUOTE="heytheredarlin"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"] You've never been kicked in the nuts have you?worlock77

No. If you're in a street fight and get hit with a telegraphed groin kick, you probably shouldn't be getting into altercations of any kind.

Did you not see the first word of my post?

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="heytheredarlin"]

No. If you're in a street fight and get hit with a telegraphed groin kick, you probably shouldn't be getting into altercations of any kind.

heytheredarlin

Did you not see the first word of my post?

[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"]

Martial arts does not necessarily equate to training how to fight. Martial arts are sports, and can teach you how to be good at the certain sport. For example, taekwondo trains one to be proficient in a point-hit system under taekwondo rules. That doesn't mean you'll be a good fighter in a street fight, or a full-contact rules sport.

BiancaDK

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="heytheredarlin"]

Did you not see the first word of my post?

Vuurk

The martial arts that the majority of mma fighters practice are the best for real life scenarios. Wrestling, jiu jitsu, striking/kickboxing. Vuurk

Look man. In an mma event the fighters will fight differently than in a street fight due to the controlled environment/judging/money/etc. Yet, that doesn't mean that what they train is irrelevant and not practical in a real life street fight. The vast majority of techniques they use would work in street fights. The difference is the environment, pace of the fight, stance used, etc. A rear naked choke or guillotine are still two of the best techniques for a real street fight though. As is the take down defense and scrambling abilities that you learn from wrestling. Vuurk

There are systems entirely devoted to disable and kill people. Wrestling and BJJ are good in a sport, because it's sport.

[QUOTE="Vuurk"]The martial arts that the majority of mma fighters practice are the best for real life scenarios. Wrestling, jiu jitsu, striking/kickboxing. ShuLordLiuPei

Taught Karate for 6 years and I know about 6 different styles of Martial Arts so, yeah.

I'm pretty good,more will than actual skill though.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="michaelP4"]I don't value martial arts but I wouldn't say learning one is going to actually protect you or make you a good fighter.Pirate700

I haven't got a clue how to fight.

Give me an example of what system you're talking about. I really doubt that you've ever wrestled, done bjj or been in a street fight. Also, the goal of a street fight isn't to kill someone. Unless they are trying to kill you that is. In which case a choke is still a very effective method at killing someone. Vuurk

The biggest examples are Krav Maga/KAPAP and systema. Most militaries develop similar systems for hand-to-hand combat. The rest of your post is entirely irrelevant.