You should have to pass a class, have a stable job, pass a drug test...

I personally believe you should'nt be able to have children legally unless you

1. Have a job.

2. Pass a drug test.

3. Don't have a severe criminal record.

4. Take a class to make sure you know everything that you need to know about children and raising them.

5. Have a home(apartment, house, etc.)

6. Have a GED/High school diploma.

What do you think? Do you think this will eliminate most crappy parents?

And praise Jesus.

I personally believe you should'nt be able to have children legally unless you

1. Have a job.

2. Pass a drug test.

3. Don't have a severe criminal record.

4. Take a class to make sure you know everything that you need to know about children and raising them.

5. Have a home(apartment, house, etc.)

6. Have a GED/High school diploma.

What do you think? Do you think this will elimate most crappy parents?

Jamiemydearx3

I'd like to add, No Alcoholism.

No, that wouldn't do much. The worst parents come from the best of scenarios.Dark__Link

I don't think your list will do much unfortunately.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]No, that wouldn't do much. The worst parents come from the best of scenarios.Jamiemydearx3

That's way too one dimensional.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]No, that wouldn't do much. The worst parents come from the best of scenarios.Jamiemydearx3

That's way too one dimensional.

UserBane

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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]No, that wouldn't do much. The worst parents come from the best of scenarios.byof_america

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]No, that wouldn't do much. The worst parents come from the best of scenarios.Jamiemydearx3

Our country would never have any children then.

No, that wouldn't do much. The worst parents come from the best of scenarios.Dark__Link

Sounds like a waste of tax money.

[QUOTE="UserBane"]

That's way too one dimensional.

Jamiemydearx3

Those requirements are irreverent, parenting is much too complex to be accessed by such a crude check list.

and how do you think you would implement such a system. It would be like reverse neutering. Have every human sterile until they pass these tests, then do something and they fertile

its a slippery slope when the gov dictates who can and cannot reproduce. It would also be illegal

only one way to solve the problem of the people who violate this rule. Kill their children.

that way your rules may work retroactively

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

[QUOTE="UserBane"]

That's way too one dimensional.

UserBane

Those requirements are irreverent, parenting is much too complex to be accessed by such a crude check list.

I think the same rules should apply to someone having a baby, the same rules as adopting.

Denying someone a family is robbing them of one of life's greatest joys.

sounds cool but i doubt anyone would follow that.. unless its the law

Nothing like that will happen in theusa, even if it does seem logical. Every one would say its unconstitutional and the goverment is trying to take to much control over us. us citizens would'nt let it happen just to make a point.

SrgtSaggy101

I don't think your list will do much unfortunately.

entropyecho

[QUOTE="UserBane"]

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"] Explain yourself? How is that one dimensional? I don't know why someone would have children if they can't pass those requirements.

Jamiemydearx3

Those requirements are irreverent, parenting is much too complex to be accessed by such a crude check list.

I think the same rules should apply to someone having a baby, the same rules as adopting.

Don't get me wrong I think the vast majority of parents are unqualified, but not because of failing to meet any of those requirements on your list. Plus parents usually only learn to be good parents when they have something to parent, and not too many extenuating circumstances will determine if they succeed or fail at parenting.

Denying someone a family is robbing them of one of life's greatest joys.

entropyecho

And sure there are parents who aren't good parents who pass these requirements..Just think of how many bad parents there wouldn't be if this was put into effect.

Simply, if you dont' have a home, job, an education, you really should'nt be having children because you simply don't know enough and or can't support the child.

Jesus Christ. Do you WANT the government to interfere and always be present in your personal lives? :|

And what if two teens decide to have sex and the girl gets pregnant despite using birth control?

Just because you KNOW how to raise a kid doesnt mean you can, and GED's or Highschool diplomas dont help neither.

My mom has a normal job (manager of subway) She gets around $400 a week, and we live fine off of that. She's not a genius but, she has her diploma, Now my father on the other hand. Is a genius, Made the presidents list in college, He has a fantastic job in cooling and heating. That dirt ball buys his wifes son more stuff than hes ever bought me. He may be smart and, have a great stable job, But hes a horribal father and, person. Id choose a below average life with my mom rather than, get pretty much anything I want with my dad.

No, that wouldn't do much. The worst parents come from the best of scenarios.Dark__Link

I have to disagree. You can't simply generalize it like that. I've seen horrible parents from the worst scenarios & best scenarios. I've seen great parents from both scenarios. But on top of that, I've seen worst children from great parents from either scenario also.

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

Denying someone a family is robbing them of one of life's greatest joys.

Jamiemydearx3

And sure there are parents who aren't good parents who pass these requirements..Just think of how many bad parents there wouldn't be if this was put into effect.

Simply, if you dont' have a home, job, an education, you really should'nt be having children because you simply don't know enough and or can't support the child.

why did this need its own thread? there is already a 3+ page thread on the exact topic. did you just feel that your assertion is simply that important and profound? because it is not. rlake

How old are you OP? You obviously don't have a firm educated grasp as to what you are talking about.

This might help in some cases but there are people out there that would not satisfy some of those categories and would still make loving parents.

Well, I certainly think that we could do more to prepare parents for the role, and this could provide a real sense of motivation for people to get their lives on track so they can have children. But how exactly do you intend to enforce this sort of code? And as others have mentioned, bad parenting is not exclusively the domain of the people who would be affected by these proposals. In some instances, it is BETTER for one partner to not have a job, as that parent would then be home for the kids. Just one example...

I personally believe you should'nt be able to have children legally unless you

1. Have a job.

2. Pass a drug test.

3. Don't have a severe criminal record.

4. Take a class to make sure you know everything that you need to know about children and raising them.

5. Have a home(apartment, house, etc.)

6. Have a GED/High school diploma.

What do you think? Do you think this will elimate most crappy parents?

Jamiemydearx3

I agree that that would be a great way to make people more serious in their parenting duties, but for me, there are two problems. The first is that the sixth point is something I feel is unnecessary. More education does not a better parent make. The main thing is being able to support your child and not be in severely unfavorable financial problems, and you can still be in a successful job without having a high school diploma. Two, the measures needed to actually uphold the law would be staggering. I don't see how it would work.

Look at it like this.

Would you let someone drive because they know how to without a license?

I wouldn't because it's illegal.

or

Would you let someone do a surgery on you without being a certified surgeon?

No, I wouldn't because I'm not trying to die because he has no idea what he/she is doing.

Now, I'm not saying they WONT mess up even if they are a certified surgeon but you'll be better off with a certified surgeon compared to a non-certified surgeon.

Same goes with children, you'll be better off with a "certified parent" compared to a non-certified parent.

There's still a chance they won't be a good parent, but there's a better chance they'll be a good parent.

I personally believe you should'nt be able to have children legally unless you

1. Have a job.

2. Pass a drug test.

3. Don't have a severe criminal record.

4. Take a class to make sure you know everything that you need to know about children and raising them.

5. Have a home(apartment, house, etc.)

6. Have a GED/High school diploma.

What do you think? Do you think this will elimate most crappy parents?

Jamiemydearx3

Unfortunately this goes against one of the most basic realities of humankind.. That humans were reproducing before any of these things were considered standards. You can't limit the most basic and essential function of humanity's continued existence (reproduction) to people that fit within a strict set of standards that have only fairly recently come into existence. The human urge to reproduce is much bigger than all this. While I agree that we do have alot of bad parents and bad kids out there as a result, this is way too big and personal an issue to make legal requirements around it.

Mmmm I feel like watching Demolition Man now. ;)

Reproduction is a fundamental human trait which should not be barred by any organization, let alone the one which is supposed to defend their rights. Good parents can come from poor backgrounds, and wealthy people can be terrible parents. Regardless, I am sure that many people who had a rough upbringing are still quite happy that they are alive. I see no reason to legally discriminate against the economically disadvantaged.

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I personally believe you should'nt be able to have children legally unless you

1. Have a job.

2. Pass a drug test.

3. Don't have a severe criminal record.

4. Take a class to make sure you know everything that you need to know about children and raising them.

5. Have a home(apartment, house, etc.)

6. Have a GED/High school diploma.

What do you think? Do you think this will elimate most crappy parents?

hartsickdiscipl

Unfortunately this goes against one of the most basic realities of humankind.. That humans were reproducing before any of these things were considered standards. You can't limit the most basic and essential function of humanity's continued existence (reproduction) to people that fit within a strict set of standards that have only fairly recently come into existence. The human urge to reproduce is much bigger than all this. While I agree that we do have alot of bad parents and bad kids out there as a result, this is way too big and personal an issue to make legal requirements around it.