You should have to pass a class, have a stable job, pass a drug test...

...since when is a high school diploma needed when you have a degree in college or university?

I'm saying this because I never got my high school diploma (school never gave it to be but I don't care) yet I'm in college.

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]No, that wouldn't do much. The worst parents come from the best of scenarios.envybianchi

I have to disagree. You can't simply generalize it like that. I've seen horrible parents from the worst scenarios & best scenarios. I've seen great parents from both scenarios. But on top of that, I've seen worst children from great parents from either scenario also.

I'd like to add, No Alcoholism.

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[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

I personally believe you should'nt be able to have children legally unless you

1. Have a job.

2. Pass a drug test.

3. Don't have a severe criminal record.

4. Take a class to make sure you know everything that you need to know about children and raising them.

5. Have a home(apartment, house, etc.)

6. Have a GED/High school diploma.

What do you think? Do you think this will elimate most crappy parents?

Jamiemydearx3

Unfortunately this goes against one of the most basic realities of humankind.. That humans were reproducing before any of these things were considered standards. You can't limit the most basic and essential function of humanity's continued existence (reproduction) to people that fit within a strict set of standards that have only fairly recently come into existence. The human urge to reproduce is much bigger than all this. While I agree that we do have alot of bad parents and bad kids out there as a result, this is way too big and personal an issue to make legal requirements around it.

That is a very small, narrow viewpoint of something that's been around long before any of these "ideas" of what "should" be required were even thought of. I understand how disgusted you feel with the way our society has developed with bad parents and unwanted pregnancies.. but this is not the answer. There have been way too many good parents from "bad" situations to make silly rules like these.. Very petty requirements IMO. Now, if you'd said that anyone who has more than 1 child with someone should have to marry them, I might agree with that.

Well if this "bill" was passed, I wouldn't exist becuase both my parents didn't even graduate high school.

Second time posting this

"Would you let someone do a surgery on you without being a certified surgeon?

No, I wouldn't because I'm not trying to die because he has no idea what he/she is doing.

Now, I'm not saying they WONT mess up even if they are a certified surgeon but you'll be better off with a certified surgeon compared to a non-certified surgeon.

Same goes with children, you'll be better off with a "certified parent" compared to a non-certified parent.

There's still a chance they won't be a good parent, but there's a better chance they'll be a good parent."

These rules will not eliminate every bad parent, but it would eliminate a crap load.

I can see how some of the rules are a little much, but the three rules that should be put in effect are.

1. stable job

2. somewhere to live

3. pass a class to make sure you know how to raise the kid.

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

I personally believe you should'nt be able to have children legally unless you

1. Have a job.

2. Pass a drug test.

3. Don't have a severe criminal record.

4. Take a class to make sure you know everything that you need to know about children and raising them.

5. Have a home(apartment, house, etc.)

6. Have a GED/High school diploma.

What do you think? Do you think this will elimate most crappy parents?

Snipes_2

I'd like to add, No Alcoholism.

Second time posting this

"Would you let someone do a surgery on you without being a certified surgeon?

No, I wouldn't because I'm not trying to die because he has no idea what he/she is doing.

Now, I'm not saying they WONT mess up even if they are a certified surgeon but you'll be better off with a certified surgeon compared to a non-certified surgeon.

Same goes with children, you'll be better off with a "certified parent" compared to a non-certified parent.

There's still a chance they won't be a good parent, but there's a better chance they'll be a good parent."

These rules will not eliminate every bad parent, but it would eliminate a crap load.

I can see how some of the rules are a little much, but the three rules that should be put in effect are.

1. stable job

2. somewhere to live

3. pass a class to make sure you know how to raise the kid.

Jamiemydearx3

Well, who's going to enforce this?

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

Second time posting this

"Would you let someone do a surgery on you without being a certified surgeon?

No, I wouldn't because I'm not trying to die because he has no idea what he/she is doing.

Now, I'm not saying they WONT mess up even if they are a certified surgeon but you'll be better off with a certified surgeon compared to a non-certified surgeon.

Same goes with children, you'll be better off with a "certified parent" compared to a non-certified parent.

There's still a chance they won't be a good parent, but there's a better chance they'll be a good parent."

These rules will not eliminate every bad parent, but it would eliminate a crap load.

I can see how some of the rules are a little much, but the three rules that should be put in effect are.

1. stable job

2. somewhere to live

3. pass a class to make sure you know how to raise the kid.

Desulated

Well, who's going to enforce this?

[QUOTE="Desulated"]

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

Second time posting this

"Would you let someone do a surgery on you without being a certified surgeon?

No, I wouldn't because I'm not trying to die because he has no idea what he/she is doing.

Now, I'm not saying they WONT mess up even if they are a certified surgeon but you'll be better off with a certified surgeon compared to a non-certified surgeon.

Same goes with children, you'll be better off with a "certified parent" compared to a non-certified parent.

There's still a chance they won't be a good parent, but there's a better chance they'll be a good parent."

These rules will not eliminate every bad parent, but it would eliminate a crap load.

I can see how some of the rules are a little much, but the three rules that should be put in effect are.

1. stable job

2. somewhere to live

3. pass a class to make sure you know how to raise the kid.

Jamiemydearx3

Well, who's going to enforce this?

Judging from the amount of new babies born everyday...I assume that will be extremely difficult.

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

[QUOTE="Desulated"]

Well, who's going to enforce this?

Desulated

Judging from the amount of new babies born everyday...I assume that will be extremely difficult.

Second time posting this

"Would you let someone do a surgery on you without being a certified surgeon?

No, I wouldn't because I'm not trying to die because he has no idea what he/she is doing.

Now, I'm not saying they WONT mess up even if they are a certified surgeon but you'll be better off with a certified surgeon compared to a non-certified surgeon.

Same goes with children, you'll be better off with a "certified parent" compared to a non-certified parent.

There's still a chance they won't be a good parent, but there's a better chance they'll be a good parent."

These rules will not eliminate every bad parent, but it would eliminate a crap load.

I can see how some of the rules are a little much, but the three rules that should be put in effect are.

1. stable job

2. somewhere to live

3. pass a class to make sure you know how to raise the kid.

Jamiemydearx3

Flawed analogy. A most would rather have an uncertified surgeon than be dead, likewise most would rather have a difficult upbringing with less than optimal parenting than be nonexistent. Would society really be better without all people born with less privileged parents? I'd argue no. Bad parenting or not, people are more often than not a benefit to society.

Furthermore, what is one to do with many of the accidental pregnancies that often are the cause of difficult upbringings?

Second time posting this

"Would you let someone do a surgery on you without being a certified surgeon?

No, I wouldn't because I'm not trying to die because he has no idea what he/she is doing.

Now, I'm not saying they WONT mess up even if they are a certified surgeon but you'll be better off with a certified surgeon compared to a non-certified surgeon.

Same goes with children, you'll be better off with a "certified parent" compared to a non-certified parent.

There's still a chance they won't be a good parent, but there's a better chance they'll be a good parent."

These rules will not eliminate every bad parent, but it would eliminate a crap load.

I can see how some of the rules are a little much, but the three rules that should be put in effect are.

1. stable job

2. somewhere to live

3. pass a class to make sure you know how to raise the kid.

Jamiemydearx3

Whether or not you have surgery at all is your choice. Just because we have legal requirements on some things that are considered requirements of the profession does not mean that we need to make requirements for everything. Whether or not people decide to have children is a human right and a function of the species, not a profession.. it has been since the start of creation. It's not like driving a car, selling insurance, or performing surgery on others. We're all born with reproductive organs and the drive to use them.. We're not all born with the desire and/or knowledge to perform surgery. Your analogy is very weak and inapplicable to something like reproduction.

Also- There has never been, and never will be a class that can cover "what you need to know to raise a kid." That is a ridiculous idea, and completely unrealistic. Any parent I've ever spoken to has said that it's the most challenging thing you can ever do.. and that no class or book can tell you how to do it.

So if I'm three months pregnant, my employer makes cutbacks and lays me off... are you dragging me down to the abortion clinic?

Same goes with children, you'll be better off with a "certified parent" compared to a non-certified parent.

There's still a chance they won't be a good parent, but there's a better chance they'll be a good parent.

Jamiemydearx3

The government does not have the right to decide who is a good parent and who isn't.

I know from experience. My brother never finished high school didn't have a stable job or even a stable relationship. And he's had a few run ins with the law. But when his firlfriend became pregnant, he changed. He accepted the responsibility of being a parent and was there for his son any time he needed him. He provided for him in every possible way. I know my example is annecdotal, but there are countless ofther cases like this. That kind of blows you "certified parent" idea out of the water.

You CANNOT licence parenting. That is just asking for trouble

What do you mean by shouldn't be alown to have children? If some one becomes pregnant and does not fit your criteria, should they be compelled by the government to have an abortion? Your idea is very illegal, unethical, pointless and accomplishes nothing.BuryMe

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]What do you mean by shouldn't be alown to have children? If some one becomes pregnant and does not fit your criteria, should they be compelled by the government to have an abortion? Your idea is very illegal, unethical, pointless and accomplishes nothing.Jamiemydearx3

And limiting human reproduction will always be unethical. There is no good reason to ever limit it. It is essential for the survival of the species that we reproduce.

And I fail to see a realisitc scenario where something like this could be implemented. Who decides what goes in your "how to grow a kid" classes? What happens if you get laid off during the pregnancy? What about unplanned preganacies? Are they forced to get abortions?

You haven't thought this through, and it will not become a reality.

You are right that society has changed a lot in 50 years. But reproduction has not changed at all in thousands of years.

And please explain to me how my post was pointless. You made an arguement, and I provided a rebuttal. A post or oppinion isn't pintless just because it's different to the view you hold. And given the number of people who disagreed with you in this thread, I'm not the only on who feels this way.

[QUOTE="envybianchi"]

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"]No, that wouldn't do much. The worst parents come from the best of scenarios.Dark__Link

I have to disagree. You can't simply generalize it like that. I've seen horrible parents from the worst scenarios & best scenarios. I've seen great parents from both scenarios. But on top of that, I've seen worst children from great parents from either scenario also.

Bad children maybe a result of bad parenting but that's not necessarily the case & it is not a cop out by parents due to include outside influnences. I've seen good parents in both public & private school situations for their children where their children have come out doing drugs & plenty of illegal & immoral situations. My point being is you can't just pin point or justify just one situation. There are plenty of occurences that affect a child's behavior.

I hate to use an Uncle of mine who was only a few years older than me as an example but his Mom taught us not to do "bad" things as we have grown up together including with his sibling but he's gone through a drug binge for several years, went to jail, dropped out of college, crashed a couple of his Parent's cars on purpose, lost jobs, burned friendships & the list goes on while his younger sibling has never touched drugs or alcohol & has maintained jobs & volunteer positions, graduated as a medical doctor & kept plenty of friends & even has a significant other. My Uncle has gone through a normal childhood experience with no mental, psychological instabilities or taking prescriptions but he's been destructive because of people/friends he's hung around with, the school he went to. Unfortunately, you would think he's a "follower" or a person who is easily persuaded by peer pressure but it's always been the other way around. Everyone hung on to his every word & he was always the one to introduce the bad idea or situation.

I do have plenty of examples of children/acquaintances/friends who came from great parenting or great families where one is totally screwed & one is succeeding/excelling or all the siblings are just a mess. There are friends & acquaintances who come from the worse situations or horrible families who turn out to be better than their other cousins/siblings or family members, who become the 1st in their family in graduating from a University or avoided being a drug dealer or something worse. I could attest myself in a similar situation. I've been a major screw up for a good percentage of my life while my lil bro has excelled without going into much detail about myself. My Mom & other family members have been excellent & understanding to this day without batting an eyelash & has always offered me a helping hand no matter what I've done. I don't blame my past & current actions to them because my actions has been only on my own terms. Those who blame their actions on others & their parents are looking for a copout which is sad & pathetic.

Because if you simply add can before come, I can state that worse parents CAN COME from the worst & best scenarios. All I'm saying is DO NOT GENERALIZE. It simply just makes you ignorant & stupid instead of seeing the bigger picture.

I personally believe you should'nt be able to have children legally unless you

1. Have a job.

2. Pass a drug test.

3. Don't have a severe criminal record.

4. Take a class to make sure you know everything that you need to know about children and raising them.

5. Have a home(apartment, house, etc.)

6. Have a GED/High school diploma.

What do you think? Do you think this will eliminate most crappy parents?

Jamiemydearx3

Doesn't that violate people's rights?

Ban child birth?

What if someone gets pregnant and they don't meet all of that criteria? Is the baby to be aborted?

Just don't have children. They are hellraisers.

I dunno.. you could pass all t hose and still lack the common sense to raise a child.JustPlainLucas

Right!

This is a dumb topic.

Ugh

And praise Jesus.

byof_america

Hell no.

Yay! And let's take the kids away if one/both parents happen to lose their jobs! It would be great to have a squadron of Parent Gestapo paroling suburbs, assessing parents and applying random drug tests. I think it would make life wonderful :)

Doesn't sound very American, so no.

I don't see how this could be enforced.

We cannot stop people from getting pregnant, mandatory abortions would cause a poo storm, and there arn't enough orphanages in the US or enough "qualified" people to adopt all children.

Yay! And let's take the kids away if one/both parents happen to lose their jobs! It would be great to have a squadron of Parent Gestapo paroling suburbs, assessing parents and applying random drug tests. I think it would make life wonderful :)

poptart

It isn't exactly hard to get child services at your door. I've heard of people getting their children taken away for basically no reason, or very flimsy reasoning.

I think it's pretty sad that these days, some parents have to worry about covering up a bruise that a child got from falling down while playing, because they're afraid social services might come a knockin'.

All that stuff might look good on paper, but does that make the candidate a good parent? You could have someone who's smart, well-grounded, and knows exactly what to do with a baby and they still might be completely nuts. On the other hand, you could have a drugged up high school dropout who's been arrested for multiple felonies, but will still love their child more than the former.

So what? Do we stop people from having sex? Good luck with that. :D Unless of course you're being sarcastic is some way.

I personally believe you should'nt be able to have children legally unless you

1. Have a job.

2. Pass a drug test.

3. Don't have a severe criminal record.

4. Take a class to make sure you know everything that you need to know about children and raising them.

5. Have a home(apartment, house, etc.)

6. Have a GED/High school diploma.

What do you think? Do you think this will eliminate most crappy parents?

i'm not sure .... what are you gonna do if a parent without one of these requirements has a baby? nintendo-4life

I'm pretty sure the TC is joking.

People are going to have sex... No education or lack of job is going to change that.

lol Get out.

I couldn't pass half of those, and I'm not exactly looking to have a child, but that is just ridiculous.

Doesn't sound very American, so no.

chaddk

lol Get out.

I couldn't pass half of those, and I'm not exactly looking to have a child, but that is just ridiculous.

freek666

[QUOTE="freek666"]

lol Get out.

I couldn't pass half of those, and I'm not exactly looking to have a child, but that is just ridiculous.

chaoscougar1

Yep, 1, 4 and 6, 2 depending on circumstances.

But how exactly do you intend to enforce this sort of code?

pianist

That was my first question. Well, questions, actually:

1. How do you stop unathorized people from having kids in the first place?
2. What do you do when unathorized people have a kid?

I personally believe you should'nt be able to have children legally unless you

1. Have a job.

You must be able to support your family.But not having a job one month doesn't mean you'll be unemployed for the rest of your life.

2. Pass a drug test.

Yes, a druggy does not make a good parent.

3. Don't have a severe criminal record.

No, people can change.

4. Take a ****to make sure you know everything that you need to know about children and raising them.

Seems like a good idea.

5. Have a home(apartment, house, etc.)

Yes, hobos shouldn't have children

6. Have a GED/High school diploma.

No, you don't need an education to be a good parent and some people can make enough money without a highschool diploma.

What do you think? Do you think this will eliminate most crappy parents?

Jamiemydearx3

Joke thread?

My parents do not have degree's, but they have good paid jobs.
They raised me and my sister very well without any parenting cla$$es. :roll:
My parents don't take drugs but I know parents who have or still do that doesn't affect their children in any way. Not high ****drugs though.

I know plenty of parents who struggle to keep their family going, but guess what TC, they always put their children first no matter what, are they crappy parents? No.

Think you need to re-think this through. :|