undoubtedly it HAS to be the high point of music. there is nothing more beautiful, complicated, advanced, etc. than classical music. not to say other music doesn't have value, i just think classical music is probably the most advanced form of music we will ever see.
Like pretty much every field of music, there's stuff I like and stuff I don't. Classical music gets a lot of hate but I reckon classical music registers with everyone on a pretty deep level, whatever they say; for example, how many of your favourite films work so well largely thanks to the classical soundtrack?
It took 80 votes for someone to finally pick one of the negative options. Impressive, OT. We should be proud. :)
aaronmullan
Because we have an opinion you like?
Yes.
It has nothing to do with the fact that my opinion is valid. Classical music is no better than pop, or even a four year old banging on pots and pans. The only reason people should like classical music is because I do.
It's like evolution. I would be proud of this forum if 80 out of 81 people agreed that evolution is true, not because it is, but because it's my opinion and everyone should agree with it just because I'm that awesome.
Classical music is no better than pop, or even a four year old banging on pots and pans.EolGul2
Bull****. Pop is simplified crap that has been dumbed down for populist appeal. Classical music is more sophisticated in terms of harmony, rhythm, melody, tonality and structure. It is objectively better-crafted than pop. Simple as that. Classical music is high art; a four year old banging on pots and pans isn't.
[QUOTE="EolGul2"]Classical music is no better than pop, or even a four year old banging on pots and pans.smittenllama
Bull****. Pop is simplified crap that has been dumbed down for populist appeal. Classical music is more sophisticated in terms of harmony, rhythm, melody, tonality and structure. It is objectively better-crafted than pop. Simple as that. Classical music is high art; a four year old banging on pots and pans isn't. Thanks. I felt like being sarcastic instead of typing all that out. :)
I love symphonic metal so i like some classical but i haven't found a lot that i like as i generally find it takes too long to get anywhere. If they compressed some of it down into abridged versions it would be much more popular.
I love it and it introduced me to symphonic metal,got about 2 gig of classical music.Also like bands that take classical music and redo it(not in the crummy dance/trance sense)like trans-siberian orchestras Beethovens last night,best storyline album after War of the worlds and Nightfall in middle earth
I love symphonic metal so i like some classical but i haven't found a lot that i like as i generally find it takes too long to get anywhere. If they compressed some of it down into abridged versions it would be much more popular.markop2003
Classic FM actually does that to the extent that it's just annoying.
It has nothing to do with the fact that my opinion is valid. Classical music is no better than pop, or even a four year old banging on pots and pans. The only reason people should like classical music is because I do.
It's like evolution. I would be proud of this forum if 80 out of 81 people agreed that evolution is true, not because it is, but because it's my opinion and everyone should agree with it just because I'm that awesome.
EolGul2
By definition your opinion can be no more correct than any other.
Bull****. Pop is simplified crap that has been dumbed down for populist appeal. Classical music is more sophisticated in terms of harmony, rhythm, melody, tonality and structure. It is objectively better-crafted than pop. Simple as that. Classical music is high art; a four year old banging on pots and pans isn't.smittenllama
Look at some modern art soundscapes and you may change your mind. Some of them are incredibly simple on purpose. It may objectively have more thought put into the way it sounds (debateable if more thought is put into the whole package) but that does not mean it objectively sunds better.
[QUOTE="markop2003"] Look at some modern art soundscapes and you may change your mind. Some of them are incredibly simple on purpose. It may objectively have more thought put into the way it sounds (debateable if more thought is put into the whole package) but that does not mean it objectively sunds better.'sounds better' is a rather subjective description - maybe to someone a kid hitting a keyboard at random 'sounds better' than Beethoven's 9th, but Beethoven's 9th is still objectively the better piece of music and hence 'sounds better' is not an accurate criterion for weighing up the quality of music.
i think its funny how most of the composers mentions were late classical and early romantic with some impressionist thrown in. i personally like impressionist and avant garde....mostly because i play saxophone and that is when most of my legit music was written. all modern music is based off of the tonalities that even bach in the baroque era was playin with...i love classical (renaissance is okay, but im more modern). i am an avid proponent of legit and jazz being taught more in schools...its very difficult for music to retain its reputation and its importance in history if no knows about it unless they have a college degree. its a shame that some of the genius musically works of our day were written by people who had no idea what they were doing...it is quite unfortunate...that being said...some of the music written in the past 40 or so years is amazing and i listen to consistently, mostly rock and metal...i do appreciate how much of the modern music is popular, but i also see how sad it is that this music, which has no relation to the rules of music and has no real form. i guess that this should be enough of this rant, back on subject, classical music, all of its variants is very important to me and i am a great fan of it
[QUOTE="smittenllama"][QUOTE="EolGul2"]Classical music is no better than pop, or even a four year old banging on pots and pans.EolGul2
Bull****. Pop is simplified crap that has been dumbed down for populist appeal. Classical music is more sophisticated in terms of harmony, rhythm, melody, tonality and structure. It is objectively better-crafted than pop. Simple as that. Classical music is high art; a four year old banging on pots and pans isn't. Thanks. I felt like being sarcastic instead of typing all that out. :) I don't get it. What does that have to do with people LIKING it? People can acknowledge the fact that it's more complex than pop, but that doesn't mean they have to like it.
[QUOTE="markop2003"] Look at some modern art soundscapes and you may change your mind. Some of them are incredibly simple on purpose. It may objectively have more thought put into the way it sounds (debateable if more thought is put into the whole package) but that does not mean it objectively sunds better.smittenllama
'sounds better' is a rather subjective description - maybe to someone a kid hitting a keyboard at random 'sounds better' than Beethoven's 9th, but Beethoven's 9th is still objectively the better piece of music and hence 'sounds better' is not an accurate criterion for weighing up the quality of music.
actually....sry to put it this way...the reason that people like certain classical/baroque composers and used their trends as rules and why we use bach as canon when we teach music theory is because is sounded good. lets face it, no one is going to want to teach and save bad sounding music. to the ears of the baroque and eventually classical musicians and composers, the things that bach and vivaldi did sounded good, they used their "rules" to make music that they wrote to sound good.
I love it and listen to it quite a bit, but mostly when I'm doing something else, sort of like background music. So when reading or doing homework or cleaning the house or meditating I might listen to it. I find it very soothing. But most of the times I listen to other genres.
I don't know if anything can touch the likes of Boris Godunov, The Firebird, The Marriage of Figaro, or The Moldau.PannicAtack
Shostakovich's 1st Violin Concerto, Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk District, his symphonies (save 2,3,12), and Mussorgsky's Khovanschina (even though he didn't finish it) are all better :P
[QUOTE="markop2003"]By definition your opinion can be no more correct than any other.EolGul2
Then you need to buy a new dictionary. It is my opinion that the earth is not flat. Want to tell me I'm no more correct than the flat earthers? So, if someone says they don't like it, they're wrong?
[QUOTE="EolGul2"][QUOTE="markop2003"]By definition your opinion can be no more correct than any other.aaronmullan
Then you need to buy a new dictionary. It is my opinion that the earth is not flat. Want to tell me I'm no more correct than the flat earthers? So, if someone says they don't like it, they're wrong? Saying you don't like classical music is like saying you don't like Asia. Classical music spans over hundred of years. So if someone says that they don't like classical music, they most likely don't have much knowledge on it.
[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="EolGul2"] Then you need to buy a new dictionary. It is my opinion that the earth is not flat. Want to tell me I'm no more correct than the flat earthers?Lonelynight
So, if someone says they don't like it, they're wrong? Saying you don't like classical music is like saying you don't like Asia. Classical music spans over hundred of years. So if someone says that they don't like classical music, they most likely don't have much knowledge on it. You can say that about anything at all. "I don't like metal" "Pfft, well you obviously have no knowledge of it" I really do think you guys are getting confused about people acknowledging it with people liking it.
[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"] So, if someone says they don't like it, they're wrong?aaronmullan
Saying you don't like classical music is like saying you don't like Asia. Classical music spans over hundred of years. So if someone says that they don't like classical music, they most likely don't have much knowledge on it. You can say that about anything at all. "I don't like metal" "Pfft, well you obviously have no knowledge of it" I really do think you guys are getting confused about people acknowledging it with people liking it. Yes, but there is a certain appreciation that could and probably should be had with classical that you can't have with metal....
[QUOTE="Lonelynight"] Saying you don't like classical music is like saying you don't like Asia. Classical music spans over hundred of years. So if someone says that they don't like classical music, they most likely don't have much knowledge on it. Jazz_Fan
You can say that about anything at all. "I don't like metal" "Pfft, well you obviously have no knowledge of it" I really do think you guys are getting confused about people acknowledging it with people liking it. Yes, but there is a certain appreciation that could and probably should be had with classical that you can't have with metal.... Indeed. That much is obvious. But appreciating something doesn't mean you have to like it.
[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]Musical pinnacle it is not. It is entertaining though.Lonelynight
[Then what is? I much prefer Romantic and modern 20th century compositions. I think I wasn't clear with that. "Classical" as it's being used in this topic is waaay too broad a category for my tastes. Also, I'd put some of the rock compositions of the 70s and 80s on the same level. I think it's kind of sad that people seem to automatically assume that since these musical compositions are old, they are spectacular by default, and if you don't respect them then you are an uneducated clod. There's no accounting for taste.
[QUOTE="Jazz_Fan"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"] You can say that about anything at all. "I don't like metal" "Pfft, well you obviously have no knowledge of it" I really do think you guys are getting confused about people acknowledging it with people liking it.
aaronmullan
Yes, but there is a certain appreciation that could and probably should be had with classical that you can't have with metal.... Indeed. That much is obvious. But appreciating something doesn't mean you have to like it. And I am not saying that I just like to point out the obvious.
[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"] So, if someone says they don't like it, they're wrong?aaronmullan
Saying you don't like classical music is like saying you don't like Asia. Classical music spans over hundred of years. So if someone says that they don't like classical music, they most likely don't have much knowledge on it. You can say that about anything at all. "I don't like metal" "Pfft, well you obviously have no knowledge of it" I really do think you guys are getting confused about people acknowledging it with people liking it. Yes if you like music at all, you are bound to like some classical music. Most people who dislike metal because of it's fundamental structure, distorted guitars, loud drums, and harsh vocals(with some exceptions). Plus, you do really need to have some degree of knowledge to really enjoy classical music. I'm fine with people not liking classical music BTW, I just think the people who do not like, are probably not knowledgeable about it. And I usually don't care about people's opinion on music unless they have studied it to some degree.
[QUOTE="Lonelynight"] Saying you don't like classical music is like saying you don't like Asia. Classical music spans over hundred of years. So if someone says that they don't like classical music, they most likely don't have much knowledge on it. Lonelynight
You can say that about anything at all. "I don't like metal" "Pfft, well you obviously have no knowledge of it" I really do think you guys are getting confused about people acknowledging it with people liking it. Yes if you like music at all, you are bound to like some classical music. Most people who dislike metal because of it's fundamental structure, distorted guitars, loud drums, and harsh vocals(with some exceptions). Plus, you do really need to have some degree of knowledge to really enjoy classical music. I'm find with people not liking classical music BTW, I just think the people who do not like, are probably not knowledgeable about it. And I usually don't care about people's opinion on music unless they have studied it to some degree. That example at the end, I think it's more common with people who say "classical music is boring". Not with people who don't like it.
[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="Jazz_Fan"] Yes, but there is a certain appreciation that could and probably should be had with classical that you can't have with metal....Jazz_Fan
Indeed. That much is obvious. But appreciating something doesn't mean you have to like it. And I am not saying that I just like to point out the obvious.
[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]Musical pinnacle it is not. It is entertaining though.guynamedbilly
[Then what is? I much prefer Romantic and modern 20th century compositions. I think I wasn't clear with that. "Classical" as it's being used in this topic is waaay too broad a category for my tastes. Also, I'd put some of the rock compositions of the 70s and 80s on the same level. I think it's kind of sad that people seem to automatically assume that since these musical compositions are old, they are spectacular by default, and if you don't respect them then you are an uneducated clod. There's no accounting for taste. I think it being old doesn't make it good, but time usually filter out all the crap, so it's quite easy to find good quality classical music.
[QUOTE="aaronmullan"] That example at the end, I think it's more common with people who say "classical music is boring". Not with people who don't like it. Well, I usually find that people who think it is boring are the people who don't like it.
[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"] That example at the end, I think it's more common with people who say "classical music is boring". Not with people who don't like it. Well, I usually find that people who think it is boring are the people who don't like it. Hah. I was thinking that after I posted :P
That's a weak concession. If I told you the writers of Transformers 2 created better comedy than the writers of Arrested Development, I hope you'd have the stones to defend AD.
I really do not enjoy classical music, expept Mozart's Flute and harp concerto. Romantic on the other hand, I love with all my musical life. Its practicly the only music I listen to anymore, aside from the odd band/artist from various genres.
2/110. Mixed news there: -Two people have no appreciation for some of the earliest forms of musical mastery . Tsk. -Those two people luckily can be dismissed when I need a music recommendation for any genre. =p
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