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#151 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] I thought people who exclusively watched those two comedy shows were better versed on current events than Fox viewers according to surveys.

Would have to see the source but I bet that's confounded by other news sources (online, newspapers, etc).

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/

Yeah it kind of looks like they didn't control for any other news sources, so the study is iffy at best. I think that the fact that people who watch The Daily Show do better than average suggests that they keep up with the news from other sources, e.g. the Internet. Although I don't particularly doubt that people who rely on biased news sources like Fox tend to be less well-informed.
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#152 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Would have to see the source but I bet that's confounded by other news sources (online, newspapers, etc).

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/

Yeah it kind of looks like they didn't control for any other news sources, so the study is iffy at best. I think that the fact that people who watch The Daily Show do better than average suggests that they keep up with the news from other sources, e.g. the Internet. Although I don't particularly doubt that people who rely on biased news sources like Fox tend to be less well-informed.

Yeah it's not the best study. I mostly just think it's funny that they were able to get those results even if their methods weren't the best.
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#153 mahlasor
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] I thought people who exclusively watched those two comedy shows were better versed on current events than Fox viewers according to surveys.Ace6301
Would have to see the source but I bet that's confounded by other news sources (online, newspapers, etc).

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/

  I remember taking a statistics class (got a B), last I remember, a survey like that would be too small to represent everyone, it is also skewed.  Btw, those questions suck, who is going to know unless they were focusing on those issues?  Sorry to burst your bubble.  Its not that hard to tell that political news is not neutral oriented.  

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#154 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Would have to see the source but I bet that's confounded by other news sources (online, newspapers, etc).mahlasor

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/

  I remember taking a statistics class (got a B), last I remember, a survey like that would be too small to represent everyone, it is also skewed.  Btw, those questions suck, who is going to know unless they were focusing on those issues?  Sorry to burst your bubble.  Its not that hard to tell that political news is not neutral oriented.  

That sample size is not small. Right away I'm already doubting your claim due to a poor understanding of how statistics works. You need to explain why it is "skewed". I can answer all those questions despite some being quite dated and several not being areas of interest, I would expect people who actively watch the news to be aware of these especially while they were major news stories. Chess has legitimate questions about the validity of the study but I also know that Chess is quite well versed on a number of things. I cannot say the same about you in either respect.
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#155 Cube_of_MooN
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Annoying as hell. They are so ridiculously biased that even watching five minutes pisses me off, which happens even if I agree with them. Just an assembly line for criticisms of Obama, many of which stretch the truth quite a bit.
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#156 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/Ace6301

  I remember taking a statistics class (got a B), last I remember, a survey like that would be too small to represent everyone, it is also skewed.  Btw, those questions suck, who is going to know unless they were focusing on those issues?  Sorry to burst your bubble.  Its not that hard to tell that political news is not neutral oriented.  

That sample size is not small. Right away I'm already doubting your claim due to a poor understanding of how statistics works. You need to explain why it is "skewed". I can answer all those questions despite some being quite dated and several not being areas of interest, I would expect people who actively watch the news to be aware of these especially while they were major news stories. Chess has legitimate questions about the validity of the study but I also know that Chess is quite well versed on a number of things. I cannot say the same about you in either respect.

Another legitimate concern is that most of the questions were open-ended, which suggests that the experimenters would have to exercise some judgment in deeming what qualifies as a 'correct' answer. Without knowing what criteria they applied to these, it's hard to judge the results.
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#157 mahlasor
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[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/174826/survey-nprs-listeners-best-informed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/Ace6301

  I remember taking a statistics class (got a B), last I remember, a survey like that would be too small to represent everyone, it is also skewed.  Btw, those questions suck, who is going to know unless they were focusing on those issues?  Sorry to burst your bubble.  Its not that hard to tell that political news is not neutral oriented.  

That sample size is not small. Right away I'm already doubting your claim due to a poor understanding of how statistics works. You need to explain why it is "skewed". I can answer all those questions despite some being quite dated and several not being areas of interest, I would expect people who actively watch the news to be aware of these especially while they were major news stories. Chess has legitimate questions about the validity of the study but I also know that Chess is quite well versed on a number of things. I cannot say the same about you in either respect.

  Come on man, the first three paragraphs contradict eachother.  I remember in a statistic test question, they mentioned 1000 sample size, it was considering too low of a number to represent millions.  Its all open ended, so its very subjective.  It was obviously aimed against opposing Fox news opinion.  This is clearly a biased study.  Lets do the math

eight groups divided by 1000, that is 125 people representing millions of people of each group.  This "study," does not even say how many of each group was involved.  If you watched Jon Stewart, how the hell woudl you know the answer to any of those questions?  It is a pseudo study. 

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#158 surrealnumber5
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the same as MSNBC, TYT, CNN, NBC, and the rest of the MSM
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#159 Serraph105
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They are about as good at giving you the news as The Daily Show or The Colbert Report, and are a lot less funny.chessmaster1989
I will say that both those shows, particularly Colbert, have really gotten away from telling you the full story. They give you enough to get the joke, but a lot of the time you need to be paying attention to other news outlets to know what they are talking about.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  I remember taking a statistics class (got a B), last I remember, a survey like that would be too small to represent everyone, it is also skewed.  Btw, those questions suck, who is going to know unless they were focusing on those issues?  Sorry to burst your bubble.  Its not that hard to tell that political news is not neutral oriented.  

mahlasor

That sample size is not small. Right away I'm already doubting your claim due to a poor understanding of how statistics works. You need to explain why it is "skewed". I can answer all those questions despite some being quite dated and several not being areas of interest, I would expect people who actively watch the news to be aware of these especially while they were major news stories. Chess has legitimate questions about the validity of the study but I also know that Chess is quite well versed on a number of things. I cannot say the same about you in either respect.

  Come on man, the first three paragraphs contradict eachother.  I remember in a statistic test question, they mentioned 1000 sample size, it was considering too low of a number to represent millions.  Its all open ended, so its very subjective.  It was obviously aimed against opposing Fox news opinion.  This is clearly a biased study.  Lets do the math

eight groups divided by 1000, that is 125 people representing millions of people of each group.  This "study," does not even say how many of each group was involved.  If you watched Jon Stewart, how the hell woudl you know the answer to any of those questions?  It is a pseudo study. 

So either you don't understand statistics or you don't understand English. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with statistics because it can be tricky stuff and a B is an alright grade but certainly nothing to brag about. This is of course assuming you're not just lying and misrepresenting your level of education in an attempt to discredit something that you disagree with. No one would do that though, right?
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#161 Jag85
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[QUOTE="Ackad"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWbPpFZ31s

I'll just leave that here

mahlasor

That would be a biased sample, that would be about that individual, does not represent Fox as a whole.  Btw, I have seen liberals do that kind of thing far more often, and had it happen to me in real life.  I have listened to conservatives on the radio and I dont see them being rude and not letting people talk, or trying to downplay things.  

Actually, that's very representative of Fox News. According to Reza Aslan, some producers were shouting down Lauren Green's earpiece telling her what to say. Also, it's not the first time Fox News has done terribly biased interviews like that before.

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#162 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Master_Live"]I like Charles Krauthammer. BMD004

He is scary looking, but always straight forward. Good guy

Are you aware that he is paralyzed and is in a wheel chair and can't move from the neck down? I don't know if that has anything to do with his face, but it is why he breathes the way he does when he talks and never uses any hand gestures or moves much at all when he speaks.

Holy shit I did not know that. Couldn't even tell...
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[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

[QUOTE="Ackad"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWbPpFZ31s

I'll just leave that here

Jag85

That would be a biased sample, that would be about that individual, does not represent Fox as a whole.  Btw, I have seen liberals do that kind of thing far more often, and had it happen to me in real life.  I have listened to conservatives on the radio and I dont see them being rude and not letting people talk, or trying to downplay things.  

Actually, that's very representative of Fox News. According to Reza Aslan, some producers were shouting down Lauren Green's earpiece telling her what to say. Also, it's not the first time Fox News has done terribly biased interviews like that before.

They pull this crap occasionally but not constantly. This is certainly one of the worst interviews I've seen them do but it isn't like this happens every day, seems like about once a year something like this comes out.
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[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] That sample size is not small. Right away I'm already doubting your claim due to a poor understanding of how statistics works. You need to explain why it is "skewed". I can answer all those questions despite some being quite dated and several not being areas of interest, I would expect people who actively watch the news to be aware of these especially while they were major news stories. Chess has legitimate questions about the validity of the study but I also know that Chess is quite well versed on a number of things. I cannot say the same about you in either respect.Ace6301

  Come on man, the first three paragraphs contradict eachother.  I remember in a statistic test question, they mentioned 1000 sample size, it was considering too low of a number to represent millions.  Its all open ended, so its very subjective.  It was obviously aimed against opposing Fox news opinion.  This is clearly a biased study.  Lets do the math

eight groups divided by 1000, that is 125 people representing millions of people of each group.  This "study," does not even say how many of each group was involved.  If you watched Jon Stewart, how the hell woudl you know the answer to any of those questions?  It is a pseudo study. 

So either you don't understand statistics or you don't understand English. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with statistics because it can be tricky stuff and a B is an alright grade but certainly nothing to brag about. This is of course assuming you're not just lying and misrepresenting your level of education in an attempt to discredit something that you disagree with. No one would do that though, right?

You really think people would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

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#165 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  Come on man, the first three paragraphs contradict eachother.  I remember in a statistic test question, they mentioned 1000 sample size, it was considering too low of a number to represent millions.  Its all open ended, so its very subjective.  It was obviously aimed against opposing Fox news opinion.  This is clearly a biased study.  Lets do the math

eight groups divided by 1000, that is 125 people representing millions of people of each group.  This "study," does not even say how many of each group was involved.  If you watched Jon Stewart, how the hell woudl you know the answer to any of those questions?  It is a pseudo study. 

wis3boi

So either you don't understand statistics or you don't understand English. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with statistics because it can be tricky stuff and a B is an alright grade but certainly nothing to brag about. This is of course assuming you're not just lying and misrepresenting your level of education in an attempt to discredit something that you disagree with. No one would do that though, right?

You really think people would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

I don't believe an individual could be that sad.
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[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

No, they aren't. If you want news and not spin, best get it from Reuters or the BBC. MSNBC, CNN and Fox are all about political spin, not facts.

jimkabrhel

Well I gues all outlets have their problems from time to time. I've seen some stupid things from Reuters before. Though all I found googling now about reuters was this incident.

Oh please. A religious blog that is critical of new coverage? That's less legitimate as Fox News coverage.

Actually I think Fr. Zuhlsdorf is quite credible on religious issues. His Latin is pretty good as well and he seems to like precise translations. I myself have noticed that a lot of times secular media outlets seem like they say a lot of inaccurate things regarding the Church, or trying to fit things within a certain narrative (for instance exaggeating the differences between Pope Francis and Benedict XVI while not really reporting the major continuities between the two popes).

I just saw on World Over Live recently, Raymond Arroyo was analyzing the media "spin" on Pope Francis' recent press interview on the flight back for World Youth Day in Rio.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] He is scary looking, but always straight forward. Good guyChutebox

Are you aware that he is paralyzed and is in a wheel chair and can't move from the neck down? I don't know if that has anything to do with his face, but it is why he breathes the way he does when he talks and never uses any hand gestures or moves much at all when he speaks.

Holy shit I did not know that. Couldn't even tell...

Me neither. More props to Charles.

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#168 ziggyww
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Well I live in England so we don't really get Fox news over here but we have heard of it and we are away of what shows are on it and who presents them. We like our news over here nothing but the facts. We have a professional guy and girl most likely who then tell you the headline, where it happened, why it happened, what's happening now and what could happen and they will keep us up-to date in anything changes . Our impression of Fox news is unprofessional not enough facts and far to many opinions. Just give us the facts and we will decide what our own opinions are. They are meant to be a news station not a day time chat show. Oh and on air arguments with poor replies and twisted facts.
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lolFoxNews

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#170 Engrish_Major
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They're good for the occasional laugh. I seem to get a chuckle almost every time I switch to them. Most memorably immediately after whichever other news network I was following the last election on called the race for Obama. I switched to Fox to see what their reaction was and got the priceless Rove meltdown. Another time I caught a few minutes of the morning news roundup, and they were talking about the weather, and the reporter decided that was a good time to express her disbelief in evolution (by stating that all of the pretty flowers blooming couldn't have come about by random events over many years). What clowns.
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#171 Chrypt22
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They are no better or worse than any other news station out there.  BBC isnt bad.. FoxNews is the counter to MSNBC and CNN dances on both sides

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#172 AmazonTreeBoa
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The only credible news station out there.

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#173 buccomatic
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share it please I want to knowBlessedChill
all TV and mass media (not just news stations) is 75% propaganda mixed with 25% fact to make their STORY seem credible to whoever is stupid enough to believe that BS they spew. "we now return you to your regularly scheduled PROGRAM(MING)."
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#174 Rattlesnake_8
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90% editorial entertainment that panders to the viewers politics, 10% news.

just like the rest of the "news" outlets.

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#175 genfactor
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There are a lot of things I can say about FOX "NEWS" but I'll try to keep from going on a rant. FOX "NEWS" is not journalism or news, it's a business. Just like a hammer's purpose is to drive nails and a pencil's purpose is to write, a business's purpose is not to inform the public or do what's in the best interest of society but to generate a profit. Fox "NEWS" is successful not because they are credible as a news service but because they know their audience and are willing to tell them what they want to hear. This allows them to boost their rating by using "red meat" or "click bait" journalism witch attracts the attention on advertisers. Just like we have a RAP station in the city I live in that's always running commercials for bail bonds and financing for people with credit problems, FOX "NEWS" always have commercials for reverse mortgages for old people or buying gold for when the apocalypse comes. You can learn a lot about entertainment channels by the kinds of commercials that run on their stations.