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What are your thoughts on the principle of a two-state solution?
" But don't expect me to not stop Palestinian struggle to appease any standards or demands." -- Don't get me wrong; the Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, etc, have plenty of legitimate grievances against the current Israeli influence.
EDIT IN RESPONSE TO YOUR EDIT: No worries; just curiosity. Don't feel obliged to respond if you'd rather not at the present time.
coolbeans90
I support that. Whatever stops the bloodshed. But you were asking me in how I view Israel more so than the conflict, and I shared my personal thoughts on it. It's a state like any other, policies and the likes are to be handled on their own without weighing the state's inherent difference from others (Jewish majority, a by-product of Zionism, etc), and to that I say I overall can see why it was created, so I don't hate it for the logistics that made it an option, it is after all, attributed to God (fate, Islam teaches to accept it).What annoys me most is its obvious existence just to look as much Western as possible and demonize us 24/7, as if it consistently wants a grandiose war of the West vs the East where Russia, China, Iran, Arab Leagues, NATO, and everyone just to add more territory to its own. It's Iran and Israel both knows that and keep egging each other while money-hungry Arab dictators just want stability to pro-long their reign, obviously that's probably not real and hopefully will never happen but this constant egging in the ME between each other hints for a worried future.
Eastern Jews forming an Eastern country of Eastern values, for example, much like Armenia, is absolutely fine with me. But to hell if you'll bring millions of fair-skinned European Jews into a land I just lost, that's pretty much the only thing I can never come in terms with.
Thanks for the understanding though, I'm just sometimes suspicious to your random questions since we're not exactly best buds on thinking, but I do think we are civilized in discourse enough to respect each other to reach out, and I think you know I represent a fair portion to those in the ME that you always fail to grasp. :P
A reasonable answer and one I'm inclined to agree with. Though, for all the things Israel has done, looking to the West isn't one of which I hold against them -- just the extent they abuse their relations in order to exert power, which the U.S. is complicit in by cooperating and looking the other way when the truth happens to be inconvenient. I am interested to see what the future brings to the region in that regard, especially as Western slowly becomes less relevant. influence
The random questions are asked as a result of spontaneous curiosity, given I have little perspective on Middle Eastern world views. If I don't ask, I'll forget the thought and never get an answer. I was wondering if you held some sort of a Muslim form of quasi-Zionism with respect to Muslim control over that particular geographic region, or at the very least, a viewpoint that the ME has a "right" to those lands, due to ownership in the past.
I would hardly refer to my conduct as "civilized"; I've become increasingly abrasive on the internet.
I see, that's quite a pragmatist view you have there. You can see I think we're way past rights by violence, so you can see me distancing myself from those kinds and promoting for greater goals, instead of preaching hate and who is our true enemy and such nonsense in the Arab world, I'd rather figure out how we can unite inspire of such bull.I think it's very hard to detach Islam from the ME, moderate and extremism in ME are foreign concept, people do what makes sense to them in their own version of Islam, or they just don't, they don't get how it belongs to a political category. Joel Richardson maybe biased, but in his bias he brought out a cold truth:
"The first thing that the West must understand concerning the concept of the caliphate is that it is somewhat of a blank canvas for Muslims. To the Muslim socialist, it is through the concept of the caliphate that a socialist utopia will become a reality. For the moderate Muslim, it is in the idea of the caliphate that a tolerant Muslim empire will arise. For the radical Muslim, the caliphate is the means by which Islam will arise to supremacy in the earth. The point is that the dream of reviving a caliphate is a wide-ranging vision and is certainly not restricted to the radicals."
Putting the TYT aside, that obviously shows why we hate secularism in Arab Gulf (we revolted there btw, racial policies, armenian genecoide, horrible movement), I think the Ottoman Caliphate with all its praise is a great example of a Caliphate that lived enough to face modern times.
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