Your thought on the negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians

What OT think about the negotiation that started yesterday.

"Paletinians"

Sorry for being a grammar nazi but it's Palestinians. You were so close. :P

"Paletinians"

Sorry for being a grammar nazi but it's Palestinians. You were so close. :P

psn8214

doomed to failure.

because....god...

My thoughts?

It will go like all the other negotiations: not well.

The whole situation is a tragedy.  What has happened to the Jews historically is a tragedy.  What has happened to Israeli culture and Zionism and what they have turned into politically is a tragedy.  What the Palestinians have been forced to resort to is a tragedy.

Its just a crappy situation all around.

Theocracies are stupid.  Jews should just come to the US, theyre safe here.

 Jews should just come to the US, theyre safe here.

mrbojangles25

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

 Jews should just come to the US, theyre safe here.

GrayF0X786

and I'm deep up their anal as well, cuz Jewish girls are super freaky.  

We'll go through a few months of hopeful discussion, ending in little overall progess, and both sides digging in just a little deeper.

Abbas(tard) will make a big show of being a tough negotiator, then fold and settle on terms favorable to Israel. He is, after all, Israel's puppet.

I dunno. I just want justice for Palestinians. i just want Palestine free they are facing injustice since long time.SNIPER4321

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

 Jews should just come to the US, theyre safe here.

GrayF0X786

My thoughts?

It will go like all the other negotiations: not well.

The whole situation is a tragedy.  What has happened to the Jews historically is a tragedy.  What has happened to Israeli culture and Zionism and what they have turned into politically is a tragedy.  What the Palestinians have been forced to resort to is a tragedy.

Its just a crappy situation all around.

Theocracies are stupid.  Jews should just come to the US, theyre safe here.

mrbojangles25

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My thoughts?

It will go like all the other negotiations: not well.

The whole situation is a tragedy.  What has happened to the Jews historically is a tragedy.  What has happened to Israeli culture and Zionism and what they have turned into politically is a tragedy.  What the Palestinians have been forced to resort to is a tragedy.

Its just a crappy situation all around.

Theocracies are stupid.  Jews should just come to the US, theyre safe here.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

My thoughts?

It will go like all the other negotiations: not well.

The whole situation is a tragedy.  What has happened to the Jews historically is a tragedy.  What has happened to Israeli culture and Zionism and what they have turned into politically is a tragedy.  What the Palestinians have been forced to resort to is a tragedy.

Its just a crappy situation all around.

Theocracies are stupid.  Jews should just come to the US, theyre safe here.

liberalus

I always hope for some kind of peaceful resolution, but it seems very unlikely.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="liberalus"] no that is very accurate actually...............GazaAli

That post had very little to do with what the things Palestinians do. I doubt this guy has any idea of Israeli culture or Zionism. And Palestinians are the ones who would be safer in USA. So??? Do they not have the right to a state now all of the sudden?

I agree that those people/parties exacerbates the conflict to a great extent. Having religious nuts and parties advocating theocracy though doesn't make the country itself theocratic. In fact it further shows the democratic nature. Theocratic parties make up about 20% of the Knesset. That's an extremely worrisome figure but it's still far from a majority.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] It is for the most part. I do realize that many of the things Palestinians do are not approved by the world and its "values of human rights" but really who started all this shit. Israel is a theocracy, a very special one though. It operates in a manner that enables it to market Israel the state as a democratic, secular state. However, when it comes to the conflict itself, religion in the form of right wing and theocratic parties does play a great role in exacerbating the conflict and making any viable solution that requires serious and meaningful compromise impossible.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]25% of Israelis aren't even Jewish. There goes that theory. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Nopethemajormayor

That post had very little to do with what the things Palestinians do. I doubt this guy has any idea of Israeli culture or Zionism. And Palestinians are the ones who would be safer in USA. So??? Do they not have the right to a state now all of the sudden?

I agree that those people/parties exacerbates the conflict to a great extent. Having religious nuts and parties advocating theocracy though doesn't make the country itself theocratic. In fact it further shows the democratic nature. Theocratic parties make up about 20% of the Knesset. That's an extremely worrisome figure but it's still far from a majority.

Neither of you seem to understand what Jewish and Judaism means in this case.themajormayor

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] It is for the most part. I do realize that many of the things Palestinians do are not approved by the world and its "values of human rights" but really who started all this shit. Israel is a theocracy, a very special one though. It operates in a manner that enables it to market Israel the state as a democratic, secular state. However, when it comes to the conflict itself, religion in the form of right wing and theocratic parties does play a great role in exacerbating the conflict and making any viable solution that requires serious and meaningful compromise impossible.GazaAli

That post had very little to do with what the things Palestinians do. I doubt this guy has any idea of Israeli culture or Zionism. And Palestinians are the ones who would be safer in USA. So??? Do they not have the right to a state now all of the sudden?

I agree that those people/parties exacerbates the conflict to a great extent. Having religious nuts and parties advocating theocracy though doesn't make the country itself theocratic. In fact it further shows the democratic nature. Theocratic parties make up about 20% of the Knesset. That's an extremely worrisome figure but it's still far from a majority.

I do not think that the Palestinians are completely unjustified in commiting violence but I definitely think Israel had the right to declare their independence 65 years ago. Also while it's true that USA is Israel's bitch it's also pretty much the only state that is. If Israel is so so powerful how come it's the Palestinians are even able to refuse to negotiate? I'm not even saying they are not right to do so. But such a "weak" party should really be begging Israel to come and talk instead of being completely crushed. Yes Israel is definitely much more powerful militarily, but politically? Not necessarily.

oh and long time no see, hope all is well etc. :3

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Neither of you seem to understand what Jewish and Judaism means in this case.GazaAli

But the case here is that it does not officially affiliate itself with a religion. To a large extent an ethnicity yes, but not religion. There are definitely powerful figures in Israeli politics advocating at the very least theocratic influences. But can you really judge a country based on minority parties not in government? Then alot of states I'm sure could be considered theocratic, racist, facist, nazi, communist and other bad words.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] What does that have to do with that theory? Do you know how influential right wing parties in Israel are? Do you know how powerful some Jewish political parties and religious schools are? Don't you know that Israel identifies itself as Jewish state?GazaAli

Again, 25% of the population isn't even Jewish and they are a secular state with freedom of religion.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]

That post had very little to do with what the things Palestinians do. I doubt this guy has any idea of Israeli culture or Zionism. And Palestinians are the ones who would be safer in USA. So??? Do they not have the right to a state now all of the sudden?

 

I agree that those people/parties exacerbates the conflict to a great extent. Having religious nuts and parties advocating theocracy though doesn't make the country itself theocratic. In fact it further shows the democratic nature. Theocratic parties make up about 20% of the Knesset. That's an extremely worrisome figure but it's still far from a majority.

themajormayor

I do not think that the Palestinians are completely unjustified in commiting violence but I definitely think Israel had the right to declare their independence 65 years ago. Also while it's true that USA is Israel's bitch it's also pretty much the only state that is. If Israel is so so powerful how come it's the Palestinians are even able to refuse to negotiate? I'm not even saying they are not right to do so. But such a "weak" party should really be begging Israel to come and talk instead of being completely crushed. Yes Israel is definitely much more powerful militarily, but politically? Not necessarily.

oh and long time no see, hope all is well etc. :3

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] Let's be honest for a moment. I do acknowledge the existence of Israel as a reality, but no I will never acknowledge that it had that right 65 years ago. And with that same honesty we all do ask of the Palestinians to accept such a reality and stop committing "violence", be we all do so because Israel is a powerful state which has the U.S as its bitch, not because any other state or nation in such situation would not commit this violence.GazaAli

I do not think that the Palestinians are completely unjustified in commiting violence but I definitely think Israel had the right to declare their independence 65 years ago. Also while it's true that USA is Israel's bitch it's also pretty much the only state that is. If Israel is so so powerful how come it's the Palestinians are even able to refuse to negotiate? I'm not even saying they are not right to do so. But such a "weak" party should really be begging Israel to come and talk instead of being completely crushed. Yes Israel is definitely much more powerful militarily, but politically? Not necessarily.

oh and long time no see, hope all is well etc. :3

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]Neither of you seem to understand what Jewish and Judaism means in this case.themajormayor

But the case here is that it does not officially affiliate itself with a religion. To a large extent an ethnicity yes, but not religion. There are definitely powerful figures in Israeli politics advocating at the very least theocratic influences. But can you really judge a country based on minority parties not in government? Then alot of states I'm sure could be considered theocratic, racist, facist, nazi, communist and other bad words.