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#51 SpartanMSU
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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] it's better than "overseas contingency operation".

whipassmt

It might be better names "Damn what have we gotten ourselves into!"

Yeah, especially when you send 30,000 new troops and then say you're gonna send them home in 18 months. What's the point of sending troops if you don't give them enough time to do their job?

He just said that to please the left. You honestly believe they're all going to come home by 2011? Just look at the recent things that have "accidentally" been leaked noting that were going to be there for longer than 2011.

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War on Terror or War of Terror.

Lets look at the facts, The two Middle East american wars have killed more than 250 000 civilians.

One country, Iraq, never attacked america nor did it show any intention to, and the other country, Afghanistan (if one could consider it a country) had one of its factions use its American CIA training and funding to attack a building in america killing 3000 people.

So all the current conflict trace back to being of american responsibility.

htekemerald

Yep, it's America's fault that terrorists and insurgents hide themselves amongst civilians. It's our fault they they intentionally blow themselves up in crowded markets with civilians. It's our fault that that they want to cleanse the world of "infidels". It's our fault that they're fundamentalist religious psychos that think all of their problems are caused by other people, and not themselves. As Obama said, "we will judge you on nowtwhat you destroy, but you can create".

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#53 MetroidPrimePwn
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20 years from now, how will future students in their history c-lasses be able to tell the difference between Osama and Obama.

whipassmt

Because one of them has a Marx beard and the other has a Marx brain?

/the worst joke I've ever written

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#54 TheAbbeFaria
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I always find myself tuning out those who advocate war, while they lounge around, playing video-games that make a game out it, giving lip-service to a cause, resulting in the deaths of Americans, Iraqis, and Afghans alike.
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#55 pecanin
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

War on Terror or War of Terror.

Lets look at the facts, The two Middle East american wars have killed more than 250 000 civilians.

One country, Iraq, never attacked america nor did it show any intention to, and the other country, Afghanistan (if one could consider it a country) had one of its factions use its American CIA training and funding to attack a building in america killing 3000 people.

So all the current conflict trace back to being of american responsibility.

SpartanMSU

Yep, it's America's fault that terrorists and insurgents hide themselves amongst civilians. It's our fault they they intentionally blow themselves up in crowded markets with civilians. It's our fault that that they want to cleanse the world of "infidels". It's our fault that they're fundamentalist religious psychos that think all of their problems are caused by other people, and not themselves. As Obama said, "we will judge you on nowtwhat you destroy, but you can create".

This post of yours is sad and funny at the same time .The day that Americans realise what your unquestionable suppot for Israel is doing to entire nation will be the day that you can start understanding what all this terorist malarkey is all about.As for Obama's '' what you can create " well a lot can be created thanks to US Army that destroyed everything in wiev,i have never in my life seen so many trigger happy rednecks than in Falujah (destroy that house and then go and see if anybody is in).War against Terror bah more like War against Humanity .

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#56 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Its a huge farce, justified by 9/11 to try to rectify the backlash that has been created by the west in the Middle East for the past 100 years.
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War on Terror or War of Terror.

Lets look at the facts, The two Middle East american wars have killed more than 250 000 civilians.

One country, Iraq, never attacked america nor did it show any intention to, and the other country, Afghanistan (if one could consider it a country) had one of its factions use its American CIA training and funding to attack a building in america killing 3000 people.

So all the current conflict trace back to being of american responsibility.

htekemerald
Uhm, and how many civilians have the terrorists killed? If we weren't out there...They'd be here.
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#58 SpartanMSU
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

War on Terror or War of Terror.

Lets look at the facts, The two Middle East american wars have killed more than 250 000 civilians.

One country, Iraq, never attacked america nor did it show any intention to, and the other country, Afghanistan (if one could consider it a country) had one of its factions use its American CIA training and funding to attack a building in america killing 3000 people.

So all the current conflict trace back to being of american responsibility.

pecanin

Yep, it's America's fault that terrorists and insurgents hide themselves amongst civilians. It's our fault they they intentionally blow themselves up in crowded markets with civilians. It's our fault that that they want to cleanse the world of "infidels". It's our fault that they're fundamentalist religious psychos that think all of their problems are caused by other people, and not themselves. As Obama said, "we will judge you on nowtwhat you destroy, but you can create".

This post of yours is sad and funny at the same time .The day that Americans realise what your unquestionable suppot for Israel is doing to entire nation will be the day that you can start understanding what all this terorist malarkey is all about.As for Obama's '' what you can create " well a lot can be created thanks to US Army that destroyed everything in wiev,i have never in my life seen so many trigger happy rednecks than in Falujah (destroy that house and then go and see if anybody is in).War against Terror bah more like War against Humanity .

The US Army destroys everything in view? If that were the case, then then the war would be over by now. The fact is, the US military goes through immense steps to avoid civilian casualties. You're obviously clueless when it comes how the US military works.

By the way, I'm in the military.

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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

War on Terror or War of Terror.

Lets look at the facts, The two Middle East american wars have killed more than 250 000 civilians.

One country, Iraq, never attacked america nor did it show any intention to, and the other country, Afghanistan (if one could consider it a country) had one of its factions use its American CIA training and funding to attack a building in america killing 3000 people.

So all the current conflict trace back to being of american responsibility.

SpartanMSU

Yep, it's America's fault that terrorists and insurgents hide themselves amongst civilians.

Thats called gurrilla warfare and it should be expected.. You make it sound like no one ever does it, the point being when you are facing a vastly superior enemy you are going to have to try every advantage you can to win.. This is not new nor is it ground breaking.

It's our fault they they intentionally blow themselves up in crowded markets with civilians.

Partially it is when we have supported regimes like the Shah, or show unswaying support for countries like Israel even after they committed warcrimes by surrounding and bombing Beirut.. What we have seen for the past few decades is a extreme tangent towards terrorism because thats all these types of groups have left to fight against threats they percieve in the Middle East.. Alot of it has to do with Israel though, and in the US's own blindness they supported them solely for Cold War purposes unquestionably.

It's our fault that that they want to cleanse the world of "infidels".

Many are not like that though.. The vast majority of insurgeants within Iraq for instance the United States was able to buy off and arm to fight AQ.. Furthermore when the United States and Great Britian were trying to stomp down on Arab nationalism and communism in the Middle East, they completely ignored the Islamic extremists that were growing within the Middle East.. Iran is pure example of this.. During 1953 the MI6 and the CIA overthrew the democratically elected president Mosadeq in Iran, due to him kicking out the oil companies that he felt was ripping off the Iranian people of profits.. They conviently declared him a communist days later and overthrew him.. Who they put in his stead was the incompetent, corrupt, and brutal dictator the Shah.. Who destroyed all opposition except the Islamic extremist front which he didn't think was much of a threat..

It's our fault that they're fundamentalist religious psychos that think all of their problems are caused by other people, and not themselves. As Obama said, "we will judge you on nowtwhat you destroy, but you can create".

This is a oversimplification.. Much of the situation in the Middle East is directly related with the actions of the West for the past 100 years.. During the first half of the 1900s, countries like France and Great Britain with imperialist intentions went after the Middle Eastern nations, namely the Ottoman Empire.. After World War 1, mandates were implaced which was basically imperialism disguised as nation building (sound familiar?).. One of the largest causes of fricition during this time was the increasing Zionist movement, which make no mistake is a aggressive movement.. With that the Jews who moved in the Palestine mandate were able to garner much greater support from the British rule and snuffed out the Palestiains who were basically trampled under by foreign policy.. This was basically what happen for the years up intill 1948...

During the Cold War the United States did a number in the region by supporting and arming a aggressive and land hungry Israeli government (1973 war nearly lead to a nuclear confrontation between the two super powers that were drawn into the region)..

There are alot of factors that have to do with the middle east.. And I think its nieve and ignorant to suggest that the West has absolutely no fault in the matter when they have been apart of Middle Eastern policy since the end of the Napoleanic war.

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#60 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

War on Terror or War of Terror.

Lets look at the facts, The two Middle East american wars have killed more than 250 000 civilians.

One country, Iraq, never attacked america nor did it show any intention to, and the other country, Afghanistan (if one could consider it a country) had one of its factions use its American CIA training and funding to attack a building in america killing 3000 people.

So all the current conflict trace back to being of american responsibility.

SpartanMSU

Yep, it's America's fault that terrorists and insurgents hide themselves amongst civilians. It's our fault they they intentionally blow themselves up in crowded markets with civilians. It's our fault that that they want to cleanse the world of "infidels". It's our fault that they're fundamentalist religious psychos that think all of their problems are caused by other people, and not themselves. As Obama said, "we will judge you on nowtwhat you destroy, but you can create".

Guess who trained them to use guerrilla tactics. America.

And yes America has completely ****ed up the middle east. You Funded The Taliban and provided them with CIA training to fight the Russians. America funded and provided weapons to iraq to fight the communists. America funded and supported the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in favor of the Shah. America continuities to fund and support the dictatorship that is saudia arabia (a country that supports these fundamentalist terrorist groups). America continues to fund israel. I could go on and on but needless to say the reason why the middle east is as it is today is America's fault

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#61 pecanin
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[QUOTE="pecanin"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yep, it's America's fault that terrorists and insurgents hide themselves amongst civilians. It's our fault they they intentionally blow themselves up in crowded markets with civilians. It's our fault that that they want to cleanse the world of "infidels". It's our fault that they're fundamentalist religious psychos that think all of their problems are caused by other people, and not themselves. As Obama said, "we will judge you on nowtwhat you destroy, but you can create".

SpartanMSU

This post of yours is sad and funny at the same time .The day that Americans realise what your unquestionable suppot for Israel is doing to entire nation will be the day that you can start understanding what all this terorist malarkey is all about.As for Obama's '' what you can create " well a lot can be created thanks to US Army that destroyed everything in wiev,i have never in my life seen so many trigger happy rednecks than in Falujah (destroy that house and then go and see if anybody is in).War against Terror bah more like War against Humanity .

The US Army destroys everything in view? If that were the case, then then the war would be over by now. The fact is, the US military goes through immense steps to avoid civilian casualties. You're obviously clueless when it comes how the US military works.

By the way, I'm in the military.

By the way i was :D

As for war being over,tell me something soldier,how many illegal weapons has US Army used in Iraq alone ?

no war ever has been won by total destruction of an enemy,you should know better.

Immense steps ,like Chinese Embassy in Belgrade or children's hospital in Baghdad.

we can go on all night and you are never even going to consider that not everything is rosy with US Army

it reminds me of commie indoctrination

clueless, well to each his own :lol:

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#62 misterbossman
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i have no idea how to end it... kill bin laden?

know big BL sent us a vid saying if we pull out (lol i sed pull out) that hes gonna follow us to the motherland.. the motherland being america.

so.. das not good.

we gotta kill bin laden or just old school blow up the joint

...imo...

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#63 SpartanMSU
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="pecanin"]

This post of yours is sad and funny at the same time .The day that Americans realise what your unquestionable suppot for Israel is doing to entire nation will be the day that you can start understanding what all this terorist malarkey is all about.As for Obama's '' what you can create " well a lot can be created thanks to US Army that destroyed everything in wiev,i have never in my life seen so many trigger happy rednecks than in Falujah (destroy that house and then go and see if anybody is in).War against Terror bah more like War against Humanity .

pecanin

The US Army destroys everything in view? If that were the case, then then the war would be over by now. The fact is, the US military goes through immense steps to avoid civilian casualties. You're obviously clueless when it comes how the US military works.

By the way, I'm in the military.

By the way i was :D

As for war being over,tell me something soldier,how many illegal weapons has US Army used in Iraq alone ?

no war ever has been won by total destruction of an enemy,you should know better.

Immense steps ,like Chinese Embassy in Belgrade or children's hospital in Baghdad.

we can go on all night and you are never even going to consider that not everything is rosy with US Army

it reminds me of commie indoctrination

clueless, well to each his own :lol:

Your grammar is horrible and it seems as English is your second language. So most likely, you were not in the US military.

If you honestly believe that the US military destroys everything in sight, then you're delusional. No really, you are.

And no, I'm not indoctrinated. I am also a college student attending Michigan State University. I'm not a "trigger happy redneck".

You're the one making the ridiculous claims with absolutely no facts to back it up. So please, just stop.

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#64 SpartanMSU
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

War on Terror or War of Terror.

Lets look at the facts, The two Middle East american wars have killed more than 250 000 civilians.

One country, Iraq, never attacked america nor did it show any intention to, and the other country, Afghanistan (if one could consider it a country) had one of its factions use its American CIA training and funding to attack a building in america killing 3000 people.

So all the current conflict trace back to being of american responsibility.

htekemerald

Yep, it's America's fault that terrorists and insurgents hide themselves amongst civilians. It's our fault they they intentionally blow themselves up in crowded markets with civilians. It's our fault that that they want to cleanse the world of "infidels". It's our fault that they're fundamentalist religious psychos that think all of their problems are caused by other people, and not themselves. As Obama said, "we will judge you on nowtwhat you destroy, but you can create".

Guess who trained them to use guerrilla tactics. America.

And yes America has completely ****ed up the middle east. You Funded The Taliban and provided them with CIA training to fight the Russians. America funded and provided weapons to iraq to fight the communists. America funded and supported the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in favor of the Shah. America continuities to fund and support the dictatorship that is saudia arabia (a country that supports these fundamentalist terrorist groups). America continues to fund israel. I could go on and on but needless to say the reason why the middle east is as it is today is America's fault

I'm not saying that guerrilla tactics are "evil" or "wrong". I was trying to point out the reason why it's so hard to avoid civilian casualties even with precision weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan. Something which obviously flew right over you're brainwashed head.

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#65 pecanin
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[QUOTE="pecanin"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

The US Army destroys everything in view? If that were the case, then then the war would be over by now. The fact is, the US military goes through immense steps to avoid civilian casualties. You're obviously clueless when it comes how the US military works.

By the way, I'm in the military.

SpartanMSU

By the way i was :D

As for war being over,tell me something soldier,how many illegal weapons has US Army used in Iraq alone ?

no war ever has been won by total destruction of an enemy,you should know better.

Immense steps ,like Chinese Embassy in Belgrade or children's hospital in Baghdad.

we can go on all night and you are never even going to consider that not everything is rosy with US Army

it reminds me of commie indoctrination

clueless, well to each his own :lol:

Your grammar is horrible and it seems as English is your second language. So most likely, you were not in the US military.

If you honestly believe that the US military destroys everything in sight, then you're delusional. No really, you are.

And no, I'm not indoctrinated. I am also a college student attending Michigan State University. I'm not a "trigger happy redneck".

You're the one making the ridiculous claims with absolutely no facts to back it up. So please, just stop.

So instead of answering any question above you're just going to insult my grammar :D

I have already pointed out on this tread that only reason that US Army has no success in Afghanistan or Iraq is that they are using tactics designed to fight conventional war fighting against equally armed oponent.All the investment into space age weaponry whilst fighting oponent that is at home fighting with RPG's or IED's or fighting with hunting rifle is unimportant.How many years do American generals need my friend before they understand their enemy and stop sending out foot patrols that only cost lives,How many years until they understand that their real enemy is in Riyadh ant not in some Yeti cave in Tora-Bora.English my first language no not really it is fourth, eff the grammar ,it seems you understand me :D

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#66 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yep, it's America's fault that terrorists and insurgents hide themselves amongst civilians. It's our fault they they intentionally blow themselves up in crowded markets with civilians. It's our fault that that they want to cleanse the world of "infidels". It's our fault that they're fundamentalist religious psychos that think all of their problems are caused by other people, and not themselves. As Obama said, "we will judge you on nowtwhat you destroy, but you can create".

SpartanMSU

Guess who trained them to use guerrilla tactics. America.

And yes America has completely ****ed up the middle east. You Funded The Taliban and provided them with CIA training to fight the Russians. America funded and provided weapons to iraq to fight the communists. America funded and supported the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in favor of the Shah. America continuities to fund and support the dictatorship that is saudia arabia (a country that supports these fundamentalist terrorist groups). America continues to fund israel. I could go on and on but needless to say the reason why the middle east is as it is today is America's fault

I'm not saying that guerrilla tactics are "evil" or "wrong". I was trying to point out the reason why it's so hard to avoid civilian casualties even with precision weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan. Something which obviously flew right over you're brainwashed head.

Your trying to tell me it's not Americas fault when in fact it is.

And I must be brainwashed to point it out. /sarcasm.

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#67 MathMattS
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Simple: kill them before they kill us.

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Funny that we cause the "War on Terror" through our "War on Communism".

You can't win a "War on Terror" because one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. You can't destroy an ideology or beliefs.

The only way we could even put a real dent in Terrorism is improving standards of living in nations that are terrorist hotbeds, instead of killing a bunch of people so their children and siblings hate us more.

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#69 darktx2005
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I agreed with the War on Terror. I'd rather have terrorism fought overseas than here in the US.

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#70 Pixel-Pirate
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Waste of time, effort, and money that could be put into something that matters. I am sure I will get someone telling me how important the war on terror is but to me it's as silly as a war on hate. You will never ever stop terror until humanity ceases to exist. As far as I am concerned you cannot win a war against an old as time tactic. You have a better chance of winning a war on the sun.

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#71 OBLOK
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People care because the government says its time to care :|

We should have focused on Afganistan first, not Iraq..

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#72 bsman00
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Is just me or are suicide bombers and Bin Laden really getting on your nerves?

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Same as the war on drugs.. it will be never ending.. and will only get worse.

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I think the whole world should convert to islam. Then there would be no more conflict.

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I think the whole world should convert to islam. Then there would be no more conflict.

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that's a recipe for a disaster!, do you know what the dark ages were?
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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Guess who trained them to use guerrilla tactics. America.

And yes America has completely ****ed up the middle east. You Funded The Taliban and provided them with CIA training to fight the Russians. America funded and provided weapons to iraq to fight the communists. America funded and supported the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in favor of the Shah. America continuities to fund and support the dictatorship that is saudia arabia (a country that supports these fundamentalist terrorist groups). America continues to fund israel. I could go on and on but needless to say the reason why the middle east is as it is today is America's fault

htekemerald

I'm not saying that guerrilla tactics are "evil" or "wrong". I was trying to point out the reason why it's so hard to avoid civilian casualties even with precision weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan. Something which obviously flew right over you're brainwashed head.

Your trying to tell me it's not Americas fault when in fact it is.

And I must be brainwashed to point it out. /sarcasm.

America is NEVER at fault; thinking otherwise is just naive and anti-American.

/sarcasm

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I agreed with the War on Terror. I'd rather have terrorism fought overseas than here in the US.

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... This is flawed logic.. Terrorist groups are multifaceted world wide organizations.. "Fighting" them over there does nothing to effect them over here..... Furthermore you have a greater chance of getting struck by lightening than a terrorist killing you..
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I think the whole world should convert to islam. Then there would be no more conflict.

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Or perhaps there should be a "final crusade". ;)
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

War on Terror or War of Terror.

Lets look at the facts, The two Middle East american wars have killed more than 250 000 civilians.

One country, Iraq, never attacked america nor did it show any intention to, and the other country, Afghanistan (if one could consider it a country) had one of its factions use its American CIA training and funding to attack a building in america killing 3000 people.

So all the current conflict trace back to being of american responsibility.

Yep, it's America's fault that terrorists and insurgents hide themselves amongst civilians. It's our fault they they intentionally blow themselves up in crowded markets with civilians. It's our fault that that they want to cleanse the world of "infidels". It's our fault that they're fundamentalist religious psychos that think all of their problems are caused by other people, and not themselves. As Obama said, "we will judge you on nowtwhat you destroy, but you can create".

Guess who trained them to use guerrilla tactics. America.

And yes America has completely ****ed up the middle east. You Funded The Taliban and provided them with CIA training to fight the Russians. America funded and provided weapons to iraq to fight the communists. America funded and supported the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in favor of the Shah. America continuities to fund and support the dictatorship that is saudia arabia (a country that supports these fundamentalist terrorist groups). America continues to fund israel. I could go on and on but needless to say the reason why the middle east is as it is today is America's fault

Actually, the problems with the middle east are multifactorial. Usually the largest problems afflicting a region are inherent to that specific region. It is common practice (and somewhat naive) to simply blame outsiders for all the issues. While the policies of the west have not been helpful to that region of the world, they aren't the significant reason why a lot of those regions are in the state they are. They do, however, give a nice scapegoat or a way to rationalize away the failures of a region. The history of the middle east is quite long and full of hundreds of oppressive governemnts. The era of US intervention plays only a small part in that history - roughly the last 40 years. The problems of that region are far deeper seated than that. If the west were to pull out of that region, I suspect its problems would intensify - not disappear.