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#1 Fireboy78
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I heard that GTX 480 have been improving by drivers and etcs, and almost all ATi video cards is buggy.

I know that 5870 is good for save my money, less power, and heat.

GTX 480 on Uningie Heaven benchmarks stunned me.

I'm plan to put two 5870 as crossfire mode, or two GTX 480?

Help me?

Thanks!

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#3 Fireboy78
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Hmm..I will keep in my mind...*look ur sig*. *whistle*...what?

Anyone?

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#4 Kyozumi
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5870 period . Way better heat / power effiency and the performance lost compared to 480 is very minimal . the 480 runs like a jet engine and its hot enough to cook eggs . Only get 480 if u think you have the tools to cool it down if not , 5870 . At least you wont have a nuclear reactor running in ur CPU =) .

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#5 chris24l
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I heard that GTX 480 have been improving by drivers and etcs, and almost all ATi video cards is buggy.

I know that 5870 is good for save my money, less power, and heat.

GTX 480 on Uningie Heaven benchmarks stunned me.

I'm plan to put two 5870 as crossfire mode, or two GTX 480?

Help me?

Thanks!

Fireboy78

mines not buggy at all, performes great in games, and is silent and 64c top temp in 85F room, runs cool. 10.6 improved frames quite a bit. from what i see the 5870 is underrated. you will need a very beefy PSU for SLI GTX480. I could crossfire 5870 with my PSU no problem.

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#6 krisroe_213
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5870 by a long shot

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#7 04dcarraher
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If you have the power and cooling, GTX 480 all the way, its faster then a 5870, and in SLI scales better then two 5970's in Crossfire.
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#8 BDK-Soft
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Buggy ati drivers? That's funny, seeing how they work far better than nvidia for me.
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#9 Iantheone
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Get a 5970 instead of either. Or get the 480 just for the extras that it comes with IE 3D, physx..
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#10 ravenguard90
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Get a 5970 instead of either. Or get the 480 just for the extras that it comes with IE 3D, physx..Iantheone

And better tesselation capabilities.

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#11 willx10121013
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If you have the cooling/PSU for it (i'm guessing you would seeing as your planning on dropping quite a bit of money on these) i'd say go for the 480 sli, i usually recommend the 5870, but if you have cash to blow, go for it

Although you might look into the 5970 too, that might be a more preferable route depending on what your wanting out of your card(s)

and no, ati drivers are just as good as nvidia, it's usually user error when someone has issues with either company's drivers

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#12 Frenzyd109
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I've had better luck with ATI drivers than NVIDIA. My 5870 runs at a cool 32c and only gets up to 45c on full load. If you plan on getting two of either, go for the 5870s, you'll save money and it'll be cooler and quieter. Plus this thing destroys everything I've thrown at it...
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#13 smc91352
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I'd get this 5870 @351 if you're in the US, today. The only gtx 480 card (with the original fan) that doesn't get too hot is the AMP!, but it still has the power consumption that makes the total cost not worth it over a 5870. I vote 5870.
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#14 Human-after-all
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They aren't remotely in the same price bracket but my vote for 5870.
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#15 smc91352
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If you have the power04dcarraher
I do. :P And, not directed at you, but I hope people don't think that once you have a PSU that can handle the card, that's all. You still need to pay for the electricity.
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#16 GTR12
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480, if you definite on SLI/Crossfire, it scales better.

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#17 9mmSpliff
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either would be a great choice. You cant go wrong either way
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#18 Frenzyd109
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]If you have the powersmc91352
I do. :P And, not directed at you, but I hope people don't think that once you have a PSU that can handle the card, that's all. You still need to pay for the electricity.

Lol because it's so expensive... I pay about $200 a YEAR to run my computer, if you can't afford that you can't afford the computer in the first place
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#19 Xeros606
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480 if you already have a PSU that can handle it and all the necessary cooling.
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#20 hartsickdiscipl
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Neither. Get 2 5850's and be set for a long time. If you have to choose between GTX 480 and 5870, get the 5870. The GTX 480 is roughly $100 more, not much faster, much hotter, and draws ALOT more power. I have a 5870 and it eats up anything I throw at it at 1080p with muscle to spare. This generation was a very weak showing by Nvidia. Just a poor overall value.

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#21 smc91352
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Lol because it's so expensive...
I pay about $200 a YEAR to run my computer, if you can't afford that you can't afford the computer in the first placeFrenzyd109
What I'm saying is that it should be included as part of the cost and not ignored...
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[QUOTE="Frenzyd109"]Lol because it's so expensive...
I pay about $200 a YEAR to run my computer, if you can't afford that you can't afford the computer in the first placesmc91352
What I'm saying is that it should be included as part of the cost and not ignored...

No it should't be included in costs. It's a variable cost, the more you use it the more you spend. Should I include the cost to light my kitchen when buying light bulbs?

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#23 abuabed
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I'd recommend GTX 480 if you can handle the heat and power draw, I've upgraded from GTS 8800 to this one and wow, it's amazing. For my thermaltake element S case the heat is between 40s to high 70s celsius in most cases which is great for a fan cooled system.
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#24 smc91352
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No it should't be included in costs. It's a variable cost, the more you use it the more you spend.Frenzyd109
So? You would still waste more because of it. Don't see how that should be ignored
Should I include the cost to light my kitchen when buying light bulbs?Frenzyd109
If there are light bulbs that will save you money compared to different ones, add the savings to the less efficient one and see if the price of the more efficient one is worth it.
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#25 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Frenzyd109"]Lol because it's so expensive...
I pay about $200 a YEAR to run my computer, if you can't afford that you can't afford the computer in the first placeFrenzyd109

What I'm saying is that it should be included as part of the cost and not ignored...

No it should't be included in costs. It's a variable cost, the more you use it the more you spend. Should I include the cost to light my kitchen when buying light bulbs?

Yeah, actually quite a few people DO factor in the cost of lighting their homes into which type of light bulbs they buy. I'm one of them. Between the money saved from running with lower-wattage bulbs (yes, they are more expensive, but they also last longer) and a 5870 instead of a GTX 480, it adds up to about $150 a year. That's enough money saved for me to go out to dinner several more times.. or buy 5-6 more blu-rays that I want. Any money saved adds up, and the cost of operating a GTX 480 is definitely a factor for quite a few people.

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#26 abuabed
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[QUOTE="Frenzyd109"]

[QUOTE="smc91352"]What I'm saying is that it should be included as part of the cost and not ignored...hartsickdiscipl

No it should't be included in costs. It's a variable cost, the more you use it the more you spend. Should I include the cost to light my kitchen when buying light bulbs?

Yeah, actually quite a few people DO factor in the cost of lighting their homes into which type of light bulbs they buy. I'm one of them. Between the money saved from running with lower-wattage bulbs (yes, they are more expensive, but they also last longer) and a 5870 instead of a GTX 480, it adds up to about $150 a year. That's enough money saved for me to go out to dinner several more times.. or buy 5-6 more blu-rays that I want. Any money saved adds up, and the cost of operating a GTX 480 is definitely a factor for quite a few people.

You won't be running the GTX 480 at maximum load all the time though right? I'm not sure about how much it draws in idle state but it surely isn't that much.
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#27 subrosian
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[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]If you have the powerFrenzyd109
I do. :P And, not directed at you, but I hope people don't think that once you have a PSU that can handle the card, that's all. You still need to pay for the electricity.

Lol because it's so expensive... I pay about $200 a YEAR to run my computer, if you can't afford that you can't afford the computer in the first place

It's not just the cost of electricity, it's the heat and noise that come with it. For example, I cannot have any noise louder than my own breathing coming from my computer. I think the sound of the radiator on most water cooling systems is too loud. Whenever I upgrade my machine, the heat of any given component is a primary consideration. I couldn't run a GTX 480 SLI setup without some kind of radical cooling solution, all of which adds to the cost of owning and operating such a machine. Parts like the GTS 250 were a nightmare for me because the amount of heat being thrown off wrecks havoc on the acoustic window I'm working within... I either accept a hot, noisy machine, or I spend tons on aftermarket cooling and hope for the best. Getting parts that are "naturally" cooler / quieter is a boon, if I can get them with pre-applied aftermarket cooling (ala the IceQ series) I'm even happier... so, not everyone is just looking at that $200. They may well be looking at what that $200 represents: heat, noise, component upgrades, stability issues, etc...
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#28 GameFan1983
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GTX480, I got 2x for both and GTX480 is significantly faster in most games I played, about 20%, also, if you are interested in games with physX features like Mafia2 and Batman: AS, then 480 no doubt, unless you stingy about $100 then 5870, you can't go wrong with either.

not a fanboy of either company, just stating facts.

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#29 smc91352
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...unless you stingy about $100 then 5870GameFan1983
Are all people that choose a 5870 over a 480 "stingy?" does someone like subrosian seem like the reason (s)he buys what (s)he buys out of stinginess? (read his/her above post about noise and heat) And do you think the cost:performance ratio makes no difference to anyone? There are other reasons to get a 5870 is my point.
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#30 GameFan1983
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[QUOTE="GameFan1983"]...unless you stingy about $100 then 5870smc91352
Are all people that choose a 5870 over a 480 "stingy?" does someone like subrosian seem like the reason (s)he buys what (s)he buys out of stinginess? (read his/her above post about noise and heat) And do you think the cost:performance ratio makes no difference to anyone? There are other reasons to get a 5870 is my point.

what the freak? 480 was my suggestion mostly due to oblvious performance superiority and physX, and what noise? GTX480s are 2 most peaceful cards I ever owned, the first notable thing of gtx480s is the quite start, much better than gtx285 and 8800gt which sound like jet engine. the only thing I agree is the heat, I'm almost convinced to buy a custom cooler, but neither cards have yet crush to the destop due to overheat like 8800GT did.

I aint disppointed with 5870 either, but there's no reason go back to 5870 when you have a faster card + extra features.

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#31 smc91352
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but there's no reason go back to 5870GameFan1983
the only thing I agree is the heatGameFan1983
That may be a reason, no? And you didn't answer any of my questions; would you, please?
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#32 GTR12
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You won't be running the GTX 480 at maximum load all the time though right? I'm not sure about how much it draws in idle state but it surely isn't that much.abuabed

Well I do know that the 470 downclocks itself so much that I thought it died. It runs at 10/30/90 and im fairly sure the 480 will also do that.

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#33 spy2828
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5870 all the way. GTX 480 SLi ??? That's one of the most stupid things i have ever heard... Why you need so much power? I have ONE 5850 and it can easily max out ALL games out there

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#34 abuabed
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[QUOTE="abuabed"]You won't be running the GTX 480 at maximum load all the time though right? I'm not sure about how much it draws in idle state but it surely isn't that much.GTR12

Well I do know that the 470 downclocks itself so much that I thought it died. It runs at 10/30/90 and im fairly sure the 480 will also do that.

Yeah, my 480 downclocks itself too. meaning that electricity bill won't be a problem for the users, you'll need a tougher PSU for sure to though.
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#35 smc91352
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Yeah, my 480 downclocks itself too. meaning that electricity bill won't be a problem for the usersabuabed
whether or not its a problem is subjective. (some don't mind, some do) The 480 would still cost more than a 5870...
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#36 abuabed
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[QUOTE="abuabed"]Yeah, my 480 downclocks itself too. meaning that electricity bill won't be a problem for the userssmc91352
whether or not its a problem is subjective. (some don't mind, some do) The 480 would still cost more than a 5870...

Can't argue, I'm just saying that both of these cards will not be working at 100% load all the time. if we say 1% of the time of the year the cards are working at full load then the bills will be similar.

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#37 Crimsader
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Well I'm no good at tweaking drivers and stuff... I'd simply go with GTX480. Its newer so it should have some advantages over the 5870 apart from the drivers.
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#38 swehunt
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Good folk's, have you seen a powerchart?

Indeed will the gtx480 with it's 57w more idle and 110w more in load add up to the powerdraw of your household.

Remember this chart shows the whole PC, the wattage i have written is just what the gtx480 ITSELF do take over the HD5870.

I have exchanged like 8 ligthbulbs at home to enegryefficient one's this save me (If they all were on at the same time) they save me ~340w. but they are roughly tripple the price and having about the dubble lifetime... ...so calculate the cost of a lightbulb's whole price included the lifetime and the redirected as pure w. The real cost would the be just about 200w saved for 8 ennergysaving lightbulbs.

This Fermi at own would eat 110w more over the HD5870!

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#39 Hekynn
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If you wanna save money on the electric bill go with the 5870.
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#40 swehunt
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If you wanna save money on the electric bill go with the 5870. Hekynn
Because the electricity is all you save on? They're the same price? ;)
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#41 9mmSpliff
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5870 all the way. GTX 480 SLi ??? That's one of the most stupid things i have ever heard... Why you need so much power? I have ONE 5850 and it can easily max out ALL games out there

spy2828

Depends on the resolution you game on. Not everyone is at 12x10 or 16x10 anymore. If you are 19x12 and 25x16 or with a tri-monitor setup, you need more power from the GPU(s)