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#1 DJ_Lae
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And when I say 'budget' I mean it. Pricing ~$500CDN of stuff is tricky work, especially when you want it to be capable of playing gamesand leaving a bit of room for upgrading in the future. For now it'll serve as a basic video editing box and a bit of gaming on my HDTV and I really wanted to keep it under $600 after tax.

I'm not too fussy about processor and video card, so long as they're cheap and functional, and I figured going AM2+/AM3 on the motherboard would be a lot more flexible than putting together a non-i7 Intel system. Hell, if I decide to go that route near the end of the year I can always use this budget rig as a server or a dedicated HTPC or give it to my girlfriend.

Comments/suggestions are much appreciated - and note when I say $500-$600 that's in Canadian, so $400-$500US (or so).

This is what I've got picked out at the moment, some of which I've already ordered (most notably the case) as they were on limited sales:

-Antec Sonata III (including 500w power supply)
-AMD X2 7750 Black
-Gigabyte GA-MA78GM (also comes bundled with the cpu)
-4GB (2x2GB) Corsair DDR2-800
-Sapphire Radeon 4670
-1TB WD Green(WD10EADS)
-Samsung DVD writer

All that comes out to (roughly) $530CDN, with most of the concessions coming at the expense of the processor and video card. Not sure if there are better options for those two things while still keeping the price way down.

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What about the OS? Just going to use an old one or 7 RC1?
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What about the OS? Just going to use an old one or 7 RC1?Munkyman587
I have an old copy of XP, but after messing around with Windows 7 for the past few weeks I wouldn't feel uncomfortable sticking that on this system.
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#4 Munkyman587
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Seems pretty good for a budget. Mostly brought up the OS because I have seen so many people forget about it. I am not familiar with the mobo, but it is difficult to be picky in this range. I would get a solid PSU in the future though, because I don't trust pre-packed ones with cases. After seeing 3 of them die, one of them taking half the computer components with it... I don't even bother with them anymore.
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#5 DJ_Lae
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Seems pretty good for a budget. Mostly brought up the OS because I have seen so many people forget about it. I am not familiar with the mobo, but it is difficult to be picky in this range. I would get a solid PSU in the future though, because I don't trust pre-packed ones with cases. After seeing 3 of them die, one of them taking half the computer components with it... I don't even bother with them anymore.Munkyman587
Yeah, I've had a few of those die on me over the years - the supply included with the Sonata III seems to fare pretty well in reviews, but I don't know - part of me still doesn't trust it. Of course, I won't really be stressing it with any of the components I've picked, so it probably doesn't matter much.
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#6 djdarkforces
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i would look up the ati 4770 shouldnt be much more than the 4670 an alot more powerfull

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#7 metaltoiletry
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I would get a solid PSU in the future though, because I don't trust pre-packed ones with cases. After seeing 3 of them die, one of them taking half the computer components with it... I don't even bother with them anymore.Munkyman587

It's a different story with Antec, their power supplies are top notch. The Sonata III includes Antec's 500W Earthwatts PSU, which is a great powersupply.

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#8 samuraiguns
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That is quite an excellent choice of parts!

and you run some room for overclocking...

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#9 aura_enchanted
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sweet selection but speaking personally id get an intel C2D lower on the totem pole if were discussing a $500 water mark and have ditched the rather $$$ case for something more functional such as a centurion 5, or an antec 300

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#10 ish27
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I'll be looking for something similar around Labor Day probably around $600 CDN. I was looking at parts, the ATI 4830 is a good choice for a GPU from what I've seen, it's better than the 4670 iirc.

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#11 DJ_Lae
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Yeah, the 4830 is definitely an option, and a very tempting one at that - it's only about $20 more than the 4670 I was looking at, since both are on sale at NCIX at the moment.
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#12 ish27
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Another thing I noticed is that Newegg.ca doesn't carry the Q6600 anymore....I can't find it :(

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Remember to look at newegg.ca and tigerdirect.ca too. most of the time, they have better prices than ncix. Also, look for the 4770, its about as good as a 4850, and a bit cheaper. if you get your stuff from newegg you'll have enough left over to get the better video card.

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#14 DJ_Lae
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That's a good point, I should price some stuff out on those other two sites - well, maybe just newegg, as I'm not a huge tigerdirect fan. Most of the time I just order from NCIX for convenience, as I can get cheap (or free) shipping and have it arrive in a day due to my location. Makes returns easy too. Same stuff on Newegg comes out to $580 before tax, which is about $50 more than NCIX including the sales I scooped up. They definitely have better everyday prices, though.
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#15 aura_enchanted
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good thing all my reatilers have about 5 q6660's wholl buy! (for there rediculous price)

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#16 DJ_Lae
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Done. I ordered everything above, but swapped the 4670 for a 4830 as per aura's suggestion - thanks for that, and it came out to just under $600 after tax, which is exactly what I was looking for. I'll slap a 64bit version of Windows 7 RC on there when it arrives and do some testing - I have a feeling it'll be more competent than I expect, especially as I'm jumping from a three year old laptop (2Ghz Core Duo, 2GB, 7900GS Go).
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[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Done. I ordered everything above, but swapped the 4670 for a 4830 as per aura's suggestion - thanks for that, and it came out to just under $600 after tax, which is exactly what I was looking for. I'll slap a 64bit version of Windows 7 RC on there when it arrives and do some testing - I have a feeling it'll be more competent than I expect, especially as I'm jumping from a three year old laptop (2Ghz Core Duo, 2GB, 7900GS Go).

Depending on your resolution you could play Crysis on High with that. Let us know how it turns out!
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#18 DJ_Lae
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I've also read a number of sites that suggest some of the 7750 processors have been successfully unlocked to use all four cores, but whether all of the 7750s are clipped Phenom chips, I'm not sure. I'll see if I can use any of the BIOS tricks to do it, as that would be pretty cool. I don't think I'll be able to run Crysis at playable framerates at my monitor's native 1920x1080, but I'll certainly try and see how it fares.
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Im very interested in following a budget build like this. Let me know how it works out. Never built from scratch before but ive done alot of work installing all sorts of parts (cd drives, memory, pci cards, etc). How easy is this to put together for someone thats pretty technilogically savy? I assume everything just gets plugged in or screwed in, couldnt be that difficult, could it? Also, my ultimate plan is to have a comp capable of running starcraft2 or diablo3 when they come out. Will this build be able to do that? Doesnt have to run perfect...
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#20 metaltoiletry
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I don't think I'll be able to run Crysis at playable framerates at my monitor's native 1920x1080, but I'll certainly try and see how it fares.DJ_Lae

I have a Core 2 Duo E8400 at 4.05ghz, 4gb of ram, and an HD4870 and I cannot play Crysis very good at 1920x1080 (my monitors native res). So don't feel bad.

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#21 DJ_Lae
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Im very interested in following a budget build like this. Let me know how it works out. Never built from scratch before but ive done alot of work installing all sorts of parts (cd drives, memory, pci cards, etc). How easy is this to put together for someone thats pretty technilogically savy? I assume everything just gets plugged in or screwed in, couldnt be that difficult, could it? Also, my ultimate plan is to have a comp capable of running starcraft2 or diablo3 when they come out. Will this build be able to do that? Doesnt have to run perfect...SameOldSaints
Knowing Blizzard's policy on system requirements I'm sure this build will run Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 quite well. As for putting it together, it's not terribly difficult if you've done work inside a PC before. Screw the motherboard in, plug in the CPU and attach the heat sink, connect the case's lights/buttons/fans to the motherboard, hook up the power cables, memory, and connect the drives and you're good to go. Ideally you don't run into any voltage issues (which usually pop up between certain motherboards and memory timings/voltages). That's the only part that can be annoying, although it's not too common as long as you see if anyone else has put similar builds together without issue.
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Yea, Blizzard doesn't make games that require high-end hardware.

They want EVERYONE to be able to play their games, not just the High-End PC Meglomaniacs.

:)

NOTE - although, some of the videos I've seen of Diablo 3 might give a PC a good workout - especially with hundreds of little zombies running around the screen, all with their own Havok Physics model...

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#23 SameOldSaints
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Great, thanks. So no soldering or anything? Think ill wait to hear your results from the build. Good luck.
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#24 SameOldSaints
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DJ, you get that put together? Real interested in how it turns out...
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#25 DJ_Lae
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DJ, you get that put together? Real interested in how it turns out...SameOldSaints

They ran out of video cards after I changed my order (understandable given the sale), but more are on the way and it's supposed to all ship out today or tomorrow. So, Thursday or Friday, as it doesn't take long for an NCIX order to arrive.

I'll take photos after I put it together and set everything up - I'm a bit excited, as this is one of the cheapest (yet capable) computers I've ever put together, and it's been a long time since I've built one myself.

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[QUOTE="Munkyman587"]I would get a solid PSU in the future though, because I don't trust pre-packed ones with cases. After seeing 3 of them die, one of them taking half the computer components with it... I don't even bother with them anymore.metaltoiletry

It's a different story with Antec, their power supplies are top notch. The Sonata III includes Antec's 500W Earthwatts PSU, which is a great powersupply.

ah, didn't see it was an earthwatts in there. When I looked at specs elsewhere, it just said "a 500W psu." I know antec is good for PSU's, I only use those and corsair... If it had not said earthwatts though, that would be a deal breaker
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#27 DJ_Lae
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Got it all together, no obvious problems, although I'm still waiting for the backup to finish on my other PC before I steal the monitor and install Windows 7.

Kept the cat in another room when I put it together (in the kitchen...who doesn't build there), he'd step all over the motherboard if he could and chew my RAM sticks.

Looks pretty much like a $500 PC inside - nothing fancy, but I don't mind. I was actually surprised how much room there is in the case to work with, and I like the side mounting drives that keep the cables behind. I guess some of the room comes with the case being an inch or so wider than most. Also, it's built like a tank.

There's room for another 120mm fan between the video card and the hard drives (barely, I'd have do some creative wire bending), but we'll see how hot it gets first.

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Today a $500 pc can run games on high settings, you've got nothing to worry about. Even Crytek learns from their mistakes.
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#29 DJ_Lae
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I'm still installing stuff, but Left 4 Dead runs gloriuosly at native resolution (1080p) and high details, where my old laptop choked on it past 1280x720 and medium details.

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#30 DJ_Lae
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Anyone have any Speedfan tips in terms of finding what temperature is which? It was a lot easier on my laptop as it seemed to correctly identify everything - now I just get Temp1 through Temp3 and a core temperature. Temp2 seems to be the most sensitive to changes, though, so I assume that's the CPU, and Temp3 is the hottest, so I assume that's the GPU. Temp1: 39C Temp2: 37C (seems to peak at 52C under heavy load) Temp3: 45C Core: 24C
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#31 SameOldSaints
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Great posts, much appreciated. Think I might have to steal your idea if ya dont mind. Anyone have links to other custom builds slighty more powerful than this? Maybe in the $600-$800 range? What kinda of parts in this rig are worth spending a little more dough on to either beef things up, or leave more room for upgrades? Im trying to weigh my options...is there another site dedicated to custom pc builds like this?
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#32 DJ_Lae
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If I was going to spend a little more I would probably for for a quad-core Phenom and a 4890 - which would also require a more powerful power supply. It's the sort of upgrade I'd imagine I'll be looking at in a year's time or so, although I'd imagine there will be better video cards by that point. At 1920x1080, Left 4 Dead runs smoothly with everything cranked (not sure about fps, will have to check for the command), UT3 has got to be near the 60fps mark and Crysis pulls about 20-30fps on high, which is about what I expected at such a high resolution, and the prerelease demo is probably unoptimized. My only complaint is that Steam seems to grab 100% of my cpu usage once in a while and refuses to let go unless I close the program - probably a bug with 64bit Windows 7, though, and it might haves something to do with me restoring backup games.
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#33 Munkyman587
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Looks nice, especially for the budget. For those asking about upgrades to it, -better GPU would be the first thing. The power supply used can handle it, I ran 8800gts 640MB SLI on one. -has enough ram, not an issue -a better cpu, but not as big of a deal as the GPU -if you are a big media fan, a bluray drive can be had for under 100 bucks these day. -if you are on a budget, it never hurts to continue on a motherboard that could support your current cpu, then upgrade the cpu later. 775 has lasted me a few builds
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#34 SameOldSaints
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Hows that puppy doing? Any new setbacks? I plan on ordering the parts today... Anyone have newegg promo codes for any of these items? So far I only have the 15% off memory sale
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Hows that puppy doing? Any new setbacks?SameOldSaints
No major problems - couple of weird quirks likely related to Windows 7, though. Had to disable wake from sleep on the network card (otherwise it would wake the computer back up 10 seconds after putting it to sleep), and the USB hub on my monitor seems to cause problems if I don't allow an extra five seconds or so before logging in when coming out of sleep mode. There are no Windows 7 drivers for the SX2210, though, which is probably part of the problem, compounded by the brief delay the monitor takes to wake itself up and reengage the USB ports. Everything else is great. The Green drive is a tad slow, but it's far faster than I expected and the entire system is dead quiet. Everything but Crysis runs beautifully at 1920x1080 and high details - and even Crysis pulls in 25-30fps on high unless something crazy is going on. I can't help feeling like that demo is horribly unoptimized, though.
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#36 JunkTrap
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Is it just me or does it look like your ram is not running in dual channel? Reason for it?
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#37 DJ_Lae
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Is it just me or does it look like your ram is not running in dual channel? Reason for it?JunkTrap
According to cpu-z it's running dual channel - did I use odd slots? Last time I built a computer was before dual channel memory existed, but I always started at slot one when installing memory.
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#38 JunkTrap
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Actually you are okay. They're color coded for channels. I'm used to seeing the channels arranged the "other" way.

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Wow DJ! Great work! I may have to get me one of them!
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#40 ish27
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Wow, that's a sick rig. I'm considering going the Intel route, but I know you can overclock the AMD 7750 nicely, so I don't know if I should go with that or the Intel E8400. What other games do you play that you have FPS ranges on, as I will be playing at 1600x1200, so I should get the same or better than yours.

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#41 Staryoshi87
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For the good of your soul, splurge a bit and go for the HD4770 :) Also, those WD Green drives are SLOW. go for their 640GB model or the 1TB WD Black / 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS

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#42 SameOldSaints
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What things need to be adjusted on the BIOS settings after everything is set up?

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#43 DJ_Lae
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DJ, what things need to be done on the BIOS settings after everything is set up? (before installing windows im guessing?)SameOldSaints
I didn't make any changes in the BIOS other than rearrange the boot order, but that's more of a personal preference than anything.
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#44 D0LEMITE
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looks like a nice build for the price, I'm also trying for the $500 mark. trying to piece everything together and understand fully before I order the parts. Nice work and pics!
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DJ, I ended up building very similair to yours. Did you add an extra fan in the back? My temps are going up into the low-mid 50s, is that ok? What are the good/bad ranges for cpu/gpu temps?

Also, what speed do you have your fan running at? Ive noticed theres a big difference noise wise btw mid and high.

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#46 DJ_Lae
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[QUOTE="SameOldSaints"]

DJ, I ended up building very similair to yours. Did you add an extra fan in the back? My temps are going up into the low-mid 50s, is that ok? What are the good/bad ranges for cpu/gpu temps?

Also, what speed do you have your fan running at? Ive noticed theres a big difference noise wise btw mid and high.

Yeah, I've got mine set to medium too, as the high speed is a lot louder. Low doesn't seem to affect temperatures much, which is interesting. Mine seems to hover between 35 and 40C on idle and peaks at 50-53C during games. I think the video card is blocking a lot of the airflow, although I also realize the case isn't built for air movement and I've sort of tapped what it's capable of. I don't think 50C is a bad temperature for the CPU, although I can't find much in the way of suggested temperatures for it. I might order a couple of fans to replace the existing case fan and add a second one at the back of the hard drive bays to pull air in and see if that helps anything.
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#47 BryB
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Hey about waht you said with steam taking up your cpu, I dont know if this would help but AMD Fusion is a free little program that ive been running before I run my games, it closes a lot of background programs.

I just built a $500 computer myself with very simialler specs. Amd Athlon X2 7850, Radeon HD 4770..

I actually just posted a topic about it, I didn't notice there was a topic already about $500 gaming computers xD