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#1 -RocBoys9489-
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Pretty simple, what is the best combo to build that will cost $600 bones?

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#2 jedikevin2
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Real quick newegg search:

Combo Deal

  • Phenom II x6 2.8 ghz
  • Mobo
  • 4gb Ddr 3 1333 2x2 ram
  • LG dvd drive
  • Case
  • 585watt psu
  • 1 tb Harddrive
  • $374.99

Windows 7 64 bit $99

Sapphire 6850 + Shogun 2 $164.99 ($149.99MIR)

Thats 639 (619 MIR)

You can drop video card a little bit to get to 600 with a Asus gtx 460 768mb 149.99 (119.99 MIR). This would getcha to $619(589 after MIR).

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#3 -RocBoys9489-
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Wow, and I'll be getting 6 cores?! Is this a good case to use also if I want to upgrade to a more powerful card later on?
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#4 jedikevin2
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It would be ok. This was just a ruff sketch on whatcha could be looking at. Some more member will help you more. I've gotta see what I can really put together if I search online for a bit. The build above will work but its a bit budget. The PSU is unknown and case is a bit simple. I'll see what I can do on better quality parts.
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#5 -RocBoys9489-
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It would be ok. This was just a ruff sketch on whatcha could be looking at. Some more member will help you more. I've gotta see what I can really put together if I search online for a bit. The build above will work but its a bit budget. The PSU is unknown and case is a bit simple. I'll see what I can do on better quality parts.jedikevin2
Thanks man, I want to get into PC gaming especially w/ the consoles just getting older lol

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#6 -RocBoys9489-
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Wow, can you tell me what you think of both of these computers for 600? Good deal? They are prebuilt too :P

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#7 neogeo419
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Wow, can you tell me what you think of both of these computers for 600? Good deal? They are prebuilt too :P

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Yea those are nice..The i3's are dual cores if that matters to ya.

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#8 -RocBoys9489-
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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

Wow, can you tell me what you think of both of these computers for 600? Good deal? They are prebuilt too :P

neogeo419

Yea those are nice..The i3's are dual cores if that matters to ya.

So would buying the combo with the 6 core AMD processor and then buying the OS and a good GPU separate probably be the best option?
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#9 neogeo419
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[QUOTE="neogeo419"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

Wow, can you tell me what you think of both of these computers for 600? Good deal? They are prebuilt too :P

-RocBoys9489-

Yea those are nice..The i3's are dual cores if that matters to ya.

So would buying the combo with the 6 core AMD processor and then buying the OS and a good GPU separate probably be the best option?

If you wanna take the time to build it do it the one jedi linked is better overall especially with the 6850..If not those prebuilts are actually pretty nice second options.

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#10 -RocBoys9489-
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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="neogeo419"]Yea those are nice..The i3's are dual cores if that matters to ya.

neogeo419

So would buying the combo with the 6 core AMD processor and then buying the OS and a good GPU separate probably be the best option?

If you wanna take the time to build it do it the one jedi linked is better overall especially with the 6850..If not those prebuilts are actually pretty nice second options.

Well I think I want to build it myself and be a MAN! hahahoho Thanks for the help guys, my dream is to be playing games like TF2, CSS, Battlefield, Crysis 2 all on a great gaming PC that runs well. My current PC is complete trash and barely runs anything old (2GB ram, single core sempron, geforce 6150) And to believe I payed 400 plus at walmart with a monitor for this thing 2 years ago.
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#11 fishing666
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Real quick newegg search:

Combo Deal

  • Phenom II x6 2.8 ghz
  • Mobo
  • 4gb Ddr 3 1333 2x2 ram
  • LG dvd drive
  • Case
  • 585watt psu
  • 1 tb Harddrive
  • $374.99

Windows 7 64 bit $99

Sapphire 6850 + Shogun 2 $164.99 ($149.99MIR)

Thats 639 (619 MIR)

You can drop video card a little bit to get to 600 with a Asus gtx 460 768mb 149.99 (119.99 MIR). This would getcha to $619(589 after MIR).

jedikevin2
this one is really good
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#12 Adam_the_Nerd
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The Sapphire videocard is a way better deal than the Asus card because it's a 1GB model and comes with a good game too. Though i'm an NVidia man myself, you can't pass up an offer like that.
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#13 ChiliDragon
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It would be ok. This was just a ruff sketch on whatcha could be looking at. Some more member will help you more. I've gotta see what I can really put together if I search online for a bit. The build above will work but its a bit budget. The PSU is unknown and case is a bit simple. I'll see what I can do on better quality parts.jedikevin2
The PSU looks like it comes with the case. It if is actually a part of it, that would make future upgrades a royal pain. Other than that, that's a great find. for that price tag, it's a really good deal.
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The Sapphire videocard is a way better deal than the Asus card because it's a 1GB model and comes with a good game too. Though i'm an NVidia man myself, you can't pass up an offer like that.Adam_the_Nerd
And this rig will run Crysis 2 quite well, correct? I know that those 2 prebuilt computers run it on the medium setting at around 45-50 FPS.
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Wow, and I'll be getting 6 cores?! Is this a good case to use also if I want to upgrade to a more powerful card later on?-RocBoys9489-
Everything besides the CPU is iffy in that combo. But for your budget, you can't complain.. :P
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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]Wow, and I'll be getting 6 cores?! Is this a good case to use also if I want to upgrade to a more powerful card later on?xsubtownerx
Everything besides the CPU is iffy in that combo. But for your budget, you can't complain.. :P

Bad case and bad PSU. I wouldn't get that otherwise OK combo just because of those two things...

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the X6 is not good procesor for gaming its all about intel quad cores,2500k-2600k...the 1366 ones or older 45nm 1156... they are the best for gaming right now
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the X6 is not good procesor for gaming its all about intel quad cores,2500k-2600k...the 1366 ones or older 45nm 1156... they are the best for gaming right nowDjNeodym

He has $500 for parts. It is unrealistic to expect a 2500k + mobo to fit that budget.

Ideally TC would be looking at the Phenom II X4 955.

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[QUOTE="Adam_the_Nerd"]The Sapphire videocard is a way better deal than the Asus card because it's a 1GB model and comes with a good game too. Though i'm an NVidia man myself, you can't pass up an offer like that.-RocBoys9489-
And this rig will run Crysis 2 quite well, correct? I know that those 2 prebuilt computers run it on the medium setting at around 45-50 FPS.

Yes it most definitely will. Just remember that almost no regular computer can run Crysis 2 on max at a consistent 60 FPS. I mean, you're talking an overclocked SLI videocard setup with the most expensive low-latency RAM, a blazing-fast hard drive, an expensive high-FSB motherboard, and an overclocked processor. Plus, with all the heat you're generating, you'll want water cooling in there.

Basically, stuff I'll never own or use because it's way beyond my price range so I've never really dabbled with it.

I'm running a EVGA 1GB GTX460, AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz processor, SeaGate Barracuda HDD, 4GB Low-latency RAM and a nice Antec 900 case. And I ended up spending $800 when I built the system back in September. It could run the Crysis2 demo pretty well and the original Crysis at near max 1080p averaging 50fps. So I'd say you could get a more powerful system that could run those games better for a cheaper price.

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6 cores is really good for gaming, especially for all the games that require 6 cores
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#21 -RocBoys9489-
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[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="Adam_the_Nerd"]The Sapphire videocard is a way better deal than the Asus card because it's a 1GB model and comes with a good game too. Though i'm an NVidia man myself, you can't pass up an offer like that.Adam_the_Nerd

And this rig will run Crysis 2 quite well, correct? I know that those 2 prebuilt computers run it on the medium setting at around 45-50 FPS.

Yes it most definitely will. Just remember that almost no regular computer can run Crysis 2 on max at a consistent 60 FPS. I mean, you're talking an overclocked SLI videocard setup with the most expensive low-latency RAM, a blazing-fast hard drive, an expensive high-FSB motherboard, and an overclocked processor. Plus, with all the heat you're generating, you'll want water cooling in there.

Basically, stuff I'll never own or use because it's way beyond my price range so I've never really dabbled with it.

I'm running a EVGA 1GB GTX460, AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz processor, SeaGate Barracuda HDD, 4GB Low-latency RAM and a nice Antec 900 case. And I ended up spending $800 when I built the system back in September. It could run the Crysis2 demo pretty well and the original Crysis at near max 1080p averaging 50fps. So I'd say you could get a more powerful system that could run those games better for a cheaper price.

And one last question, would I have room in the case for a GTX 570 down the line? I know I'd need to buy a bigger power supply too.
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[QUOTE="DjNeodym"]the X6 is not good procesor for gaming its all about intel quad cores,2500k-2600k...the 1366 ones or older 45nm 1156... they are the best for gaming right now

1) my X6 1100 tears through any game like melted butter 2) with a budget like his, an i5/i7, or any intel really, is out of the question
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#23 fishing666
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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]Wow, and I'll be getting 6 cores?! Is this a good case to use also if I want to upgrade to a more powerful card later on?Tezcatlipoca666

Everything besides the CPU is iffy in that combo. But for your budget, you can't complain.. :P

Bad case and bad PSU. I wouldn't get that otherwise OK combo just because of those two things...

actually i have that PSU, it's very high quality and quiet when you are consuming low power. I dont have any testing equipment but I can say that it is dead silent and powers my whole system no problem
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[QUOTE="DjNeodym"]the X6 is not good procesor for gaming its all about intel quad cores,2500k-2600k...the 1366 ones or older 45nm 1156... they are the best for gaming right nowwis3boi
1) my X6 1100 tears through any game like melted butter 2) with a budget like his, an i5/i7, or any intel really, is out of the question

really? cuz the i5-2500k is cheaper than the 1100t and it is better than the 1100t, sucks to be you overpaying for an inferior product
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="DjNeodym"]the X6 is not good procesor for gaming its all about intel quad cores,2500k-2600k...the 1366 ones or older 45nm 1156... they are the best for gaming right nowferelden
1) my X6 1100 tears through any game like melted butter 2) with a budget like his, an i5/i7, or any intel really, is out of the question

really? cuz the i5-2500k is cheaper than the 1100t and it is better than the 1100t, sucks to be you overpaying for an inferior product

Ever occur to you he might have bought it pre sandy bridge?

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#26 ferelden
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[QUOTE="ferelden"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] 1) my X6 1100 tears through any game like melted butter 2) with a budget like his, an i5/i7, or any intel really, is out of the questionneogeo419

really? cuz the i5-2500k is cheaper than the 1100t and it is better than the 1100t, sucks to be you overpaying for an inferior product

Ever occur to you he might have bought it pre sandy bridge?

sandy was released only a couple weeks after 1100t. also did u miss the part where he tries to tell the OP that i5 is out of his budget when he is thinkin of getting a more expensive 1100t lol? also, tomshardware rates 1100t as a third tier gaming cpu, vs i5-2500k as a first tier, so the choice is pretty simple.
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#27 Tezcatlipoca666
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[QUOTE="neogeo419"]

[QUOTE="ferelden"] really? cuz the i5-2500k is cheaper than the 1100t and it is better than the 1100t, sucks to be you overpaying for an inferior productferelden

Ever occur to you he might have bought it pre sandy bridge?

sandy was released only a couple weeks after 1100t. also did u miss the part where he tries to tell the OP that i5 is out of his budget when he is thinkin of getting a more expensive 1100t lol? also, tomshardware rates 1100t as a third tier gaming cpu, vs i5-2500k as a first tier, so the choice is pretty simple.

The X6 build that was previously mentioned didn't have an 1100t but a 1055t which is a lost cheaper ($180 vs $250). He wasn't recommending it anyway, he was merely correcting the erroneous claim that the X6 series isn't good for gaming.

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#28 ferelden
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yea ummm the 1100t isn't quite a "gaming" cpu. amd just doesn't have anything that can compete with intel atm. the 1100tcompares more tothe midgeti3 performance wise, so if you want 1100t performance but want to spendunder $150then buy an intel i3. if you are looking for $200ish price range look for the i5.

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#29 jedikevin2
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Wow... I def wasn't looking for such a horrible war going on. I see no one tried to help the TC after I made a quick look through newegg outside of those agreeing with the build I popped up. WTH is going on with all this "1100t" is not a gaming cpu, amd vs intel battle, etc etc...... WOW guys..... WOW. Why are people even arguing for the sandy bridge without giving any build to compare for the TC to relate. A bit shamefull to see.

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="DjNeodym"]the X6 is not good procesor for gaming its all about intel quad cores,2500k-2600k...the 1366 ones or older 45nm 1156... they are the best for gaming right nowferelden
1) my X6 1100 tears through any game like melted butter 2) with a budget like his, an i5/i7, or any intel really, is out of the question

really? cuz the i5-2500k is cheaper than the 1100t and it is better than the 1100t, sucks to be you overpaying for an inferior product

really now...a motherboard for the sandy would have cost twice as much as my AM3+ board. Think in terms of the whole PC, not just the cpu. I got my x6 for $200 and my motherboard for $100~

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[QUOTE="ferelden"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] 1) my X6 1100 tears through any game like melted butter 2) with a budget like his, an i5/i7, or any intel really, is out of the questionwis3boi

really? cuz the i5-2500k is cheaper than the 1100t and it is better than the 1100t, sucks to be you overpaying for an inferior product

really now...a motherboard for the sandy would have cost twice as much as my AM3+ board. Think in terms of the whole PC, not just the cpu. I got my x6 for $200 and my motherboard for $100~

Just checked, for me it would cost an extra couple hundred dollars to get an i7 over the X6.
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#33 Tezcatlipoca666
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The i3-2100 is a DUAL-core......

Why one earth would you buy a dual-core at this point in time?

Btw you don't even know what motherboard he has. If he has a fully featured AM3+ board (USB3, SATA III, regular ATX, several PCI-E lanes, a good BIOS which allows for big overclocks then he could be right. You just listed the cheapest H61 boards...

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The i3-2100 is a DUAL-core......

Why one earth would you buy a dual-core at this point in time?

Tezcatlipoca666

is a dual Core with 2 Thread in each core and is outperforming X6 in about all game even X6 Core Optimized game : don't mistake Core i3 Generation 1 With Generation 2

but i would like to find a Core i3 LGA 1155 Benchmark versus Phenom II X6 4.1Ghz OC not to mention X6 & Mobo Cost Way more then Core i3 Generation 2 & LGA 1155 Such as H67 Complient mobo because you sort of don't need a P67 if you owning a CPU you can't overclock that the problem with core i3

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#36 Tezcatlipoca666
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[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

The i3-2100 is a DUAL-core......

Why one earth would you buy a dual-core at this point in time?

marcthpro

is a dual Core with 2 Thread in each core and is outperforming X6 in about all game even X6 Core Optimized game : don't mistake Core i3 Generation 1 With Generation 2

Hyperthreading will get you nowhere in games....

and wtf is a "X6 core optimized game"

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6 Core using Game Like I forgot the Title I think Dawn of war II can use 6 Core and CIV 5 as you know developer know only Phenom II X6 : use 6 Native Core at affordable price they know gamer don't own the 850$ Core i7 Six Core Westmere

how ever id wish 6 Core IvyBridge are possible and at affordable price you can find few title that if you overclock Phenom II X4 from Stock to about 4.1ghz ul see a massive boost over Phenom II X4 if it can use more then 4 core how ever that not the case with more then 95% of the game

and it not really hyper threading it only got 2 Extra Thread Core Like Core i3 does anyhow Look at Core i5 LGA1156 & Core i5 LGA1155 : 4 core 1 : thread each as no HT and it perform better by alot then Core i3 for multi-tasking & Gaming

How Ever core i3 Got HT but is basically useless for gaming that why core i7 & Core i5 are just different on HT aspect by put 2 Thread per Core : which sort of do nothing for gaming some game can see a slight boost like +3.5fps over Core i5 But that about it

but Bulldozer might come to a point where it can crush Core i3 2100 & Future Core i3 2xxx on price ratio by releasing perhap a Quad core bulldozer at 120$ With no L3 Cache or something just like they did Athelon II X2/X3/X4 lol

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#38 ferelden
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@tezcatlipoca666 don't think i don't know anything about amd boards? $100 price range amd board will not get you anything better or more special than a $100 intel socket 1155 board. you can get a p67 1155 rev 3 with usb3, sata3, 2x pci 2.0, full atx, vrd 12, dual bios hybrid EFI tech, turbo xhd raid 0, and much more for same price.

and you still can't give the OP any reason, ANY REASON, to buy a six core AMD on his tight budget. none. not when a dual core from intel at half the price can outperform the flagship AMD six core cpu lol.

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#39 ChiliDragon
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Why are people even arguing for the sandy bridge without giving any build to compare for the TC to relate. A bit shamefull to see.

jedikevin2
More than a bit. Come on everyone, let's get this back on topic and give the guy some help...!
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http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Submit=view $623 after rebates and instant promo savings.

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this don't work it as to be a public wishlist that you share
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#42 neogeo419
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oh yea i forgot... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119047http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136177http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157176http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131374http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341039http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871&cm_re=x4_640-_-19-103-871-_-Productand of course w7 64bit for $100 my bad its $633 after rebates and the stupid shipping brings it to $650.

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#43 fishing666
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^that's even worse than that budget combo
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#44 blaznwiipspman1
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hey ferelden why dont you build a pc that has a sandy bridge cpu in it and an OS for less than 600. Go ahead were all waiting. I also think the core i3 2100 shames AMD, its pathetic how a dual core beats out a hexcore. Also the game benches you used are all RTS games, try and find an FPS game benchmark with any differences in frames between a core i7 2600k and a phenom II x4 955. If he doesn't play much RTS games, then who cares about sandy bridge?

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#45 Gambler_3
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^that's even worse than that budget combo fishing666
How so? The casing and power supply are better on his build....

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#47 wolverine_97
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[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

the game benches you used are all RTS games, try and find an FPS game benchmark with any differences in frames between a core i7 2600k and a phenom II x4 955. If he doesn't play much RTS games, then who cares about sandy bridge?

ferelden

wow are you that stupid? this is because RTS rely heavily upon CPU, especially CIv 5 and Dow 2. FPSbenchmarks are going to be limitedmore on GPU than CPU, and last I checked this discussion is about CPU performance. If you know nothing about pc plz stop talking you sound utterly oblivious. Also, if OP hypothetically will only play FPS then WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE WANT A 6 CORE PROCESSOR? Thanks for proving my point all along brah.

oh look a FPS benchie!

c2c1

hex-core is not designed for cpu gaming, like i said all along. 1100t utilizes more integer execution, which is more for serverss, not floating point, so having higher integer capability does nothing for gaming. you got destroyed now go away.

I see nothing in that message about a six-core CPU...

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#48 ferelden
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I see nothing in that message about a six-core CPU...

wolverine_97

that is because he is the one who went off topic, i was bringing the thread back on topic which was the OP considering buying a hex-core processor for gaming.

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#49 marcthpro
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and you don't buy Hex Core for gaming you buy Core i3 2100 or Phenom II X4 + Cheap mobo in combo in budget pc where you want to center about maxium gaming performances

Because it seem Core i3 2100 Despite is a dual core come to match Core i5 760 which by the way haven't really reduce of price since Core i5 2300-2400-2500K in the end if you go in a tight budget you got 3 choice of cpu :

Athelon II X3/X4 OR Phenom II X4 OR Core i3 2100

If you go with AMD you usually pick 60-70$ MOBO usually Chipset ATX-770L or M-ATX 880G to go on pair with ur 70-140$ CPU

If You go intel you pick usually Core i3 2100 & H67 or P67 if in sales :

as you seem in benchmark : AMD Hexa Core not made for gaming as show various benchmark so people should not think of Phenom II X6 Hexacore 1100T as Gaming Processor does of the current high price and poor performances in most of FPS include Bad company II & Crysis 2 & Metro 2033

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#50 blaznwiipspman1
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[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

the game benches you used are all RTS games, try and find an FPS game benchmark with any differences in frames between a core i7 2600k and a phenom II x4 955. If he doesn't play much RTS games, then who cares about sandy bridge?

ferelden

wow are you that stupid? this is because RTS rely heavily upon CPU, especially CIv 5 and Dow 2. FPSbenchmarks are going to be limitedmore on GPU than CPU, and last I checked this discussion is about CPU performance. If you know nothing about pc plz stop talking you sound utterly oblivious. Also, if OP hypothetically will only play FPS then WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE WANT A 6 CORE PROCESSOR? Thanks for proving my point all along brah.

oh look a FPS benchie!

c2c1

hex-core is not designed for cpu gaming, like i said all along. 1100t utilizes more integer execution, which is more for serverss, not floating point, so having higher integer capability does nothing for gaming. you got destroyed now go away.

if he mainly plays fps games and has a limited budget of $500 AND most games are dependent on the gpu anyways, why would he go blow his load on a sandy bridge build and a weak video card? Like I said before, please go to newegg.com or any site you prefer and build us a sandy bridge build with decent video card for $500, many of us would be greatful.