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#1 Fatdemon
Member since 2006 • 144 Posts

Im about to upgrade to the following system:

AMD athlon 6000+ AM2.

2Gb RAM

Nvidia 8800GT

300Gb sattaII HDD.

i have a question about the CPU i have on hold :

I later re read the description and found it said it was a 64bit CPU.

My friend told me that 64bit is crap for normal everyday use/gaming and that its only good as a server computer. is that true?

Also, the motherboard will be 64bit it said and that means when the phenom AM2 comes out it means im gonna have to go a 64 bit version of that dosent it?

i reallly dont wanna screw uo here, mum already has my balls ina vice for wanting to upgrade from:

AMD semprom 1.8Ghz

1Gb RAm

Nvidia 6600V+

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#2 filmography
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your friend is on crack. first of all weither the CPU is 64bit or not doesn't really affect the performance but the 64bit program. eg you wont see a difference if you use a 64bit cpu with a 32bit program. also 64bit programs are better then 32bit for encoding and videogames.

http://64-bit-computers.com/windows-vista-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmark.html

however you need a 64bit operating system to get the performance advantage of a 64bit CPU, so 64bit cpu + 64bit operating system (preferably vista premium)=win.

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#3 Fatdemon
Member since 2006 • 144 Posts
Wow, im estatic!!!. thanks man. very helpful. looks like im gettin 64 bit :). i might see if i can squeeze home premium out of mum too.
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#4 imrlybord7
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You might want to wait until vista service pack 1 comes out, as 64 bit has some compatibility issues.
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#5 d-rtyboy
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I don't think any games even support 64bit? Just because something outperforms in a synthetic test doesn't mean it's going to transform into real life performance boost. OH and just a friendly reminder that vista has spyware :D
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#6 PullTheTricker
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I would go for 32bit but thats just me
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#7 sabbath2gamer
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I don't think any games even support 64bit?d-rtyboy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

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#8 sabbath2gamer
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ok first the 64bit vista is able to support more then 2 gigs of ram while on the other hand 32 supports 2.5 gigs

Also 64 is better in gaming/applications

And it will be futureproof as more technology will be needing more then 2 gigs but that later take a look at the link above a user posted.

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#9 jim8015
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I was told that if you are a gamer go with 32 bit. If you want to use major photo stuff go with 64 bit. The gentlemen told me that at this time most games will not support the 64 bit, and if I ever wanted to upgrade in the future it is possible. Go with 32.
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#10 Wesker776
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This entire thread is full of inaccuracies... :|

The blind leading the blind.

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#11 Fatdemon
Member since 2006 • 144 Posts
argh, people, i need help here, youre all confusing me!. looks like ill go 32 then, because loot at what happens when i said 64 :P. proof enough it seems
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#12 yellowjell0
Member since 2005 • 736 Posts

32 bit is safe, but old and will be taken over by 64 bit. 64 bit is ironing out the wrinkles, but is the future.

Decide from that.

(If I was a getting a new OS, I'd get 64, but that's just me)

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#13 artur79
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Why not upgrade to Home Premium, the install is 32 bit. After that you have to contact MS to get the 64 bit update (on a disk or something). Just do not update to 64 bit until you are sure that games you're interested in can handle it. Crysis is such a game BTW, so "No game supports 64 bit" is nonsense.
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#14 Snaptrap
Member since 2003 • 2186 Posts

This entire thread is full of inaccuracies... :|

The blind leading the blind.

Wesker776

So true. Go with 32bit since it's supported by all software producers. Maybe go 64bit with the next OS when it hasenough support to justify a change over.

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#15 XaosII
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If you have a 64-bit OS, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to bother going down to 32-bit. Conversely, theres almost no reason to upgrade from a 32-bit to a 64-bit version of the same OS. If you're buying a brand new OS, get 64. All of these "bad support" of 64-bit is a load of bunk.

Take it form someone thats used both XP 64-bit and been runing Vista 64-bit a few months before its retail release.

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#16 Snaptrap
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If you have a 64-bit OS, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to bother going down to 32-bit. Conversely, theres almost no reason to upgrade from a 32-bit to a 64-bit version of the same OS. If you're buying a brand new OS, get 64. All of these "bad support" of 64-bit is a load of bunk.

Take it form someone thats used both XP 64-bit and been runing Vista 64-bit a few months before its retail release.

XaosII

LOL! You think using Windows Vista 64 few months before retail release makes you a professional? Have you ever used the 64bit version of Windows XP? I have for a month. Why did I quit using it? Probably because all the programs I use are 32bit and I can find 32bit support software for my hardware.

Using a 64bit OS with 32bit software is like throwing a Volkwagen engine into a Ferrari. It's pointless if all you're looking for is higher performance. If you plan on running games on it, then maybe check out this Crysis article. Some people still think more bits is always better. Time to dump that console selling marketing ploy.

http://www.yougamers.com/news/13720_crysis_32_vs_64_bit_-_the_real_story/

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#17 XaosII
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LOL! You think using Windows Vista 64 few months before retail release makes you a professional? Have you ever used the 64bit version of Windows XP? I have for a month. Why did I quit using it? Probably because all the programs I use are 32bit and I can find 32bit support software for my hardware.

Using a 64bit OS with 32bit software is like throwing a Volkwagen engine into a Ferrari. It's pointless if all you're looking for is higher performance. If you plan on running games on it, then maybe check out this Crysis article. Some people still think more bits is always better. Time to dump that console selling marketing ploy.

http://www.yougamers.com/news/13720_crysis_32_vs_64_bit_-_the_real_story/

Snaptrap

Im not laughing at the joke you've made.

Are you seriously trying to tell me with that site that someone should care about a 0.3 to 3 FPS drop?

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#18 Mochyc
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ok first the 64bit vista is able to support more then 2 gigs of ram while on the other hand 32 supports 2.5 gigs

Also 64 is better in gaming/applications

And it will be futureproof as more technology will be needing more then 2 gigs but that later take a look at the link above a user posted.

sabbath2gamer

It's quite funny how you laughed at the other poster whose answer was rather imprecise than false, yet you unload some BS right after. Vista 32bit supports up to about 3/3.5 gigs of ram, whereas 64 goes much higher than that. What d-rtyboy said isn't exacly true, very few games use 64bit to it's potential, only crysis really comes to mind.

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#19 Spindoc_SEI
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Remember that all 64-bit processors today are backward compatible with 32-bit applications. Also all 32-bit applications work perfectly normal in Vista 64-bit.
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#20 imrlybord7
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

If you have a 64-bit OS, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to bother going down to 32-bit. Conversely, theres almost no reason to upgrade from a 32-bit to a 64-bit version of the same OS. If you're buying a brand new OS, get 64. All of these "bad support" of 64-bit is a load of bunk.

Take it form someone thats used both XP 64-bit and been runing Vista 64-bit a few months before its retail release.

Snaptrap

LOL! You think using Windows Vista 64 few months before retail release makes you a professional? Have you ever used the 64bit version of Windows XP? I have for a month. Why did I quit using it? Probably because all the programs I use are 32bit and I can find 32bit support software for my hardware.

Using a 64bit OS with 32bit software is like throwing a Volkwagen engine into a Ferrari. It's pointless if all you're looking for is higher performance. If you plan on running games on it, then maybe check out this Crysis article. Some people still think more bits is always better. Time to dump that console selling marketing ploy.

http://www.yougamers.com/news/13720_crysis_32_vs_64_bit_-_the_real_story/

About that link, the Crysis demo is not multithreaded, therefore it cannot take advantage of 64 bit. Also, he doesn't think it makes him professional, he thinks it makes him KNOW WHAT HE IS FREAKING TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN USING IT!!! When I write a review for a game do I think said review makes me pro? No. It makes me at least somewhat knowledgable because I am passing on information to people who have no experience with the game. Dumbass.

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#21 blacktorn
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3GB or less ram choose 32-bit,4GB+ choose 64-bit
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#22 viper0982
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Id go with 64bit vista. Im using it right now.. at this very moment and all my programs work fine. Compatibility issues my a$$ im a gamer and i still play starcraft which is over ten years old. Plus your going to want to upgrade to four gigs of ram soon. Hellgate london recomends 3gigs of ram. It wont be long and games will recommend four gigs.
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#23 codezer0
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64-bit opens a lot more doors to computing performance than simply being able to have 4GB (or more) of system RAM. With the x86_64 chips (starting from the Athlon64 and onward for AMD, or certain revisions of the Pentium4 and onward from intel), not only does the ability to address more RAM is enabled, but in the assembly level of code, a 64-bit-enabled CPU would have at least twice as many registers to work with in 64-bit mode. But in order to be able to really see what 64-bit computing is made of, you need things to be 64-bit throughout. 64-bit CPU, a 64-bit chipset, 64-bit Operating System, and 64-bit device drivers. Even then, the ideal is to also use 64-bit software. But because nobody wanted to give up their compatibility with existing x86 (32-bit) apps and stuff, getting to fully take advantage of 64-bit hardware and software will take a while, unless you're willing to give up the x86 architecture altogether.