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I currently have a 21'' or so monitor that I play my 360 on. I can deffinatly tell the difference between SD and 720p. I was going to upgrade to a 1080p monitor, but is it worth dishing out 290 bucks for 1080p? I have my resolution on my xbox games running at 1050, is there much of a difference between that and 1080p? Thanks!

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Where on earth are you seeing a 1080p 21" monitor for $290?!?!?!?

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look if you are gonna spend money on a lcd/plasma/etc, spend the money just 1 time , so buy a good 1080p tv of 32" min. if you dont , are you wasting your money boy

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Well considering the fact that the games you're playing are not native 1080p and are just upscaled, I imagine they wouldn't look any better... If you're using the monitor only for 360 games, I'd say you're fine especially with a screen that size. It would be difficult to tell the difference and actually, when I was using a 1080p 22 inch monitor with my ps3, games that were native 720p had a weird pixelization problem. I would stick with your setup until maybe 1080p is more prominent

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Where on earth are you seeing a 1080p 21" monitor for $290?!?!?!?
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Newegg.com. Yeah.. I know I should of just bought a 1080 one off the bat, but I knew I was going to want another one for a 2 monitor setup.

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no almost all 360 games are 720p native so it looks better set to 720p!!! you will notice more blurriness and jaggies when you go to a 1080p set! only thing 1080p sets are good for is bluray movies and anything that runs in 1080p native like say tekken 5 dr on psn

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Well considering the fact that the games you're playing are not native 1080p and are just upscaled, I imagine they wouldn't look any better... If you're using the monitor only for 360 games, I'd say you're fine especially with a screen that size. It would be difficult to tell the difference and actually, when I was using a 1080p 22 inch monitor with my ps3, games that were native 720p had a weird pixelization problem. I would stick with your setup until maybe 1080p is more prominentRipcurl530

yup you notice more inperfections in the games because the 720p resolution is stretched out over the 1080p display kinda like playing ps2, 360, gc or even wii games on an hdtv but less dramatic

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No body mentions the most important factor. The distance you sit from the TV. Resolution doesn't mean anything unless you sit close enough to see it. You can buy a 1080p 21" set and it will be 1080p, but you better sit within 2.5 feet from it or your eyes will not see the difference between 720/1080. My personal recommendation is that unless you plan on sitting within 4' for a 32", 5' for a 40", or 6' from a 50", you can save the money and go with 720p over 1080p.

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No body mentions the most important factor. The distance you sit from the TV. Resolution doesn't mean anything unless you sit close enough to see it. You can buy a 1080p 21" set and it will be 1080p, but you better sit within 2.5 feet from it or your eyes will not see the difference between 720/1080. My personal recommendation is that unless you plan on sitting within 4' for a 32", 5' for a 40", or 6' from a 50", you can save the money and go with 720p over 1080p.rastan

While this is somewhat true, there is definitely room for debate. I personally can tell a difference between 720p and 1080p content pretty easily even at a distance that is farther than the recommended distance. I think the most important factor is actually your eyes. Some people don't notice small changes, but to a videophile, it is definitely noticeable. And all the people that try to claim that 1080p is pointless unless your TV is over a certain size... I begin to wonder whether they are speaking out of experience or just regurgitating whatever they hear from other people. Rastan, you have a good point, but this experience definitely varies with the person.

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I am pickier about video and audio than most people, but this ii pure science. The resolution difference between 720p and 1080p are only visible within certain distance based on the limits of the human eye. At a certain distance for a set size, the human eye can/cannot see a certain defined resolution. Test it out. Grab an orange and put it 2 feet in front of you. You should be able to see the pores clearly, etc. Put it at 10 feet and those same pores blur together. Some people mistakenly associate a better picture only with resolution. I also can see the difference between a cheap and good 20" set from 10 feet, but the differences are not attributable to resolution. Most often they are attributable to better color reproduction, better contrast, and better processing. A Pioneer Kuros 720p plasma looks so silky smooth that it outperforms most any available 1080p LCD (and many 1080p plasmas). Here is the chart that graphs out the limits of human vision in regards to resolution from a set distance. http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html As for experience, I have a 96" front projector and on that screen from 10-12 feet away the difference between 720p and 1080p are clearly evident. I think 1080p is great and I wish you could get cable to broadcast in 1080p (although I would much prefer the cable providers to compress less and just give me a pure 720p signal), but many people just get hung up on specs without understanding what they mean and spend more than they have to in the process.

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[QUOTE="rastan"]I am pickier about video and audio than most people, but this ii pure science. The resolution difference between 720p and 1080p are only visible within certain distance based on the limits of the human eye. At a certain distance for a set size, the human eye can/cannot see a certain defined resolution. Test it out. Grab an orange and put it 2 feet in front of you. You should be able to see the pores clearly, etc. Put it at 10 feet and those same pores blur together. Some people mistakenly associate a better picture only with resolution. I also can see the difference between a cheap and good 20" set from 10 feet, but the differences are not attributable to resolution. Most often they are attributable to better color reproduction, better contrast, and better processing. A Pioneer Kuros 720p plasma looks so silky smooth that it outperforms most any available 1080p LCD (and many 1080p plasmas). Here is the chart that graphs out the limits of human vision in regards to resolution from a set distance. http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html As for experience, I have a 96" front projector and on that screen from 10-12 feet away the difference between 720p and 1080p are clearly evident. I think 1080p is great and I wish you could get cable to broadcast in 1080p (although I would much prefer the cable providers to compress less and just give me a pure 720p signal), but many people just get hung up on specs without understanding what they mean and spend more than they have to in the process.

Okay, I will concede that their are scientific reasons why the difference is not perceptible at certain distances. My post was more in reference to the posts I used to see claiming that you can't notice a difference if a TV is below a certain size, when in reality, as you stated, the distance is more of a factor. I assumed that you were just throwing numbers out there which is obviously not the case. The chart you cited is awesome, I've never seen that before. You seem extremely knowledgeable on the topic. You mentioned the importance of contrast, accurate colors and post processing ( I would add response time for LCDs). I agree with contrast and accurate colors, and in the case of plasma screens, processing may be very important, but I have a question for you. Most sources recommend turning off most of the processing features on an LCD for better picture. Why is this? Are you referring to a specific processing feature that is relevant to LCDs or were you just talking about plasmas?

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I was talking about overall processing as it can involve many things. With all HDTV's the scaling is very important as everything that doesn't come in at the exact resolution of the TV has to be scaled (One of the big reasons cheaper 720p tv's can look as good as 1080p TV's-Why? Because most games systems and cable are designed for 720p so even TV's with horrible scalers will not matter as the image is not being scaled) to that native resolution. Poor scaling introduces artifacts, noise, shimmer, etc. LCD's have a specific type of processing often lumped together with their 120Hz/240 Hz processing. This is specific to LCD's as it processing done to handle the inherent refresh lag in LCD's (plasma doesn't need this as a plasma's refresh rate is pretty much instantaneous). This processing introduces its own artifacting and so anti-judder and anti-blurring processing is added to the mix. Often this additional processing is what cause what many call the "soap opera" effect on these TV's as it makes film based movies look like video based soap operas. Lastly the processing also can introduce digital noise in the image. So for 120Hz/240HZ LCD's, some manufacturers permit you to turn some of this additional processing off to eliminate this soap opera effect at the cost of some blurring and judder in the processing. It's kind of hard to explain, but that's the jist of it. Most of the explanations on-line go on for paragraphs.

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if you buy anything under 42" you wont see a difference if you bought a 1080p but you will see a difference if you buy a tv which is 50" 1080p.

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if you buy anything under 42" you wont see a difference if you bought a 1080p but you will see a difference if you buy a tv which is 50" 1080p.
sukraj

Have you not read the thread?

1080p is 1080p which is 1920 x 1080 and always will be 1920 x 1080. This does not change due to screen size. 22" at 1080p will look the same as 50" at 1080p, if both are viewed from the correct distance. The amount of pixels on the screen are the same. As the smaller screen has to have the pixels more tightly packed, this means you have to sit closer to the screen. But there is no difference between 1080p at 22" or at 50", it will look exactly the same (if viewed from the correct distance).

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Thanky you Shawty. This is exactly the misconception we are trying to eliminate in the market place!!!! I hate blanket and wrong specification statements.

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Question- assuming two TVs are the exact same, including price, except that one is 720p and the other is 1080p, would there be any legitimate reason to buy the 720p?
Gr33nHippo

All things being equal then definitely go with the1080p. However, as I stated before resolution is only part of the equation and their is a limit based on distance where thebenefits of higher definitions disappear. This is why I said a very high quality set such as a 720p Pioneer Kuros can have better image quality than a 1080p set. Also, remember that a 1080p set will need to have a very good scaler to upscale all your 480i/480p/720p/1080i sources to 1080p. Also remember that teh only native sources that can provide a 1080p signal are Blu-Ray, PC's, and some video games built expressly for 1080p (360 and PS3 can definitely both do 1080p, but most games have to be scaled as there are only a handful of games that are natively 1080p). I always like to mention that the Halo games run sub 720p natively (actually 620p!) and are still some of the best looking games out there.

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All depends on the model. Different models use different levels of scalers. So when you buy an upper end in that size, one of the components they may upgrade is the scaler. Your best bet is to bring a standard DVD with you and see if they can play the DVD on the TV's you are comparing. Poor scaling is easy to spot.

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