8800gtx vs. 2900xt

Get the 8800GTX, as you said is overall better than 2900XTdayaccus007

get the HD2900xt. 1gb version

its gonna surpass GTX in all upcoming DX 10 games. + it has better image quality.

even the TYPICAL nvidia fanboys also know that hd2900xt is much better than GTX. Last month the card was on par with GTS and now its on par with $100 more expensive GTX card. sound good to me...

trust ur instinct.

go with ATI.

get the HD2900xt. 1gb version

its gonna surpass GTX in all upcoming DX 10 games. + it has better image quality.

even the TYPICAL nvidia fanboys also know that hd2900xt is much better than GTX. Last month the card was on par with GTS and now its on par with $100 more expensive GTX card. sound good to me...

trust ur instinct.

go with ATI.

harooon

Nvidia has better IQ. It has better image filtrering. ATi might have better AA but what helps them that if their card fails behind 8800 GTS whit AA on. About DX10 games. You cant talk how it will be better in DX10 games since all weve seen for now are non-optimized DX10 demos, in which, oh look look, 8800 GTS easily beated 2900XT. If we judge by how it is and not ssay how it will be, since it might wont be like that Geforces are better buy. About drivers performance. We wont see any much better drivers for 2900XT IMO. 7.7 even made step back, so i think 2900XT is performing to its limits now. And about you saying how 2900 XT 1 GB version is up to pair whit GTX. Can you show me some benchmarks where that card beats GTX whit at least 4xAA on??? Please.

haroon is right, ive been an nvidia guy all my life. every gpu ive had has been an nvidia. but for my new build, im getting the 2900xt. why? because its already able to beat the gts and catch up to the gtx in most cases. and thats just the 512mb version. the 1gb version BEATS the gtx in most benchmarks, which proves that it is better. and to domke, all dx10 games will have to do AA through shaders, including crysis and alan wake. if they didnt implicate aa through shaders it would be dx9 with a few special effects. aa through shaders is a neccessary requirement for dx10 games.SLI_Yoshi

Well IMO Crysis DX10 part is alos just DX9 part whit some better special effects. True DX10 titles, yes like Alan Wake, will use AA through shaders. I dont think that Crysis will. Or maybe.

You know, domke, that with 2xMSAA and CS/FAA enabled, it looks just as good as 4xMSAA. Manly-manly-man

I partly belive you. For 100% i need some pics.

EDIT: You mean just as good as CSAA??? Cause on G80 you can turn on 16x CSAA whitout losing almost any performance compared to 4xMSAA.

[QUOTE="SLI_Yoshi"]haroon is right, ive been an nvidia guy all my life. every gpu ive had has been an nvidia. but for my new build, im getting the 2900xt. why? because its already able to beat the gts and catch up to the gtx in most cases. and thats just the 512mb version. the 1gb version BEATS the gtx in most benchmarks, which proves that it is better. and to domke, all dx10 games will have to do AA through shaders, including crysis and alan wake. if they didnt implicate aa through shaders it would be dx9 with a few special effects. aa through shaders is a neccessary requirement for dx10 games.domke13

Well IMO Crysis DX10 part is alos just DX9 part whit some better special effects. True DX10 titles, yes like Alan Wake, will use AA through shaders. I dont think that Crysis will. Or maybe.

crysis is going to use aa through shaders, its been confirmed. i can't seem to find the link, but trust me on this. 7.7 wasn't supposed to improve performance on all games. it was designed to only improve performance on certain issues, which it did. there were wierd gfx glitches and fps issues with far cry, and the driver was focusing on those types of games, which all had glitches with video. that was all fixed and far cry performance was GREATLY increased. also, all the gfx glitches in steam games are now gone.

[QUOTE="domke13"]

[QUOTE="SLI_Yoshi"]haroon is right, ive been an nvidia guy all my life. every gpu ive had has been an nvidia. but for my new build, im getting the 2900xt. why? because its already able to beat the gts and catch up to the gtx in most cases. and thats just the 512mb version. the 1gb version BEATS the gtx in most benchmarks, which proves that it is better. and to domke, all dx10 games will have to do AA through shaders, including crysis and alan wake. if they didnt implicate aa through shaders it would be dx9 with a few special effects. aa through shaders is a neccessary requirement for dx10 games.SLI_Yoshi

Well IMO Crysis DX10 part is alos just DX9 part whit some better special effects. True DX10 titles, yes like Alan Wake, will use AA through shaders. I dont think that Crysis will. Or maybe.

crysis is going to use aa through shaders, its been confirmed. i can't seem to find the link, but trust me on this. 7.7 wasn't supposed to improve performance on all games. it was designed to only improve performance on certain issues, which it did. there were wierd gfx glitches and fps issues with far cry, and the driver was focusing on those types of games, which all had glitches with video. that was all fixed and far cry performance was GREATLY increased. also, all the gfx glitches in steam games are now gone.

Thats good for ATI. I wonder if they will need to write new driver for Crysis too, to perform well. Probably not. Nice to see Crysis using AA thorugh shaders. That way we will see which card will perform better in Crysis. My bet goes on nobody, cause it can turn out all the ways.

You know, Crysis is sponsored by nVidia, just for the record.Manly-manly-man

& Crysis is desingned for Intel processors you know ?

I am just saying that in the debate of what brand Crysis will work better with, nVidia has an advantage.Manly-manly-man

Yes, I'm also telling that.

nVidia has the advantage

So you think AMD/ATI hasn't been working with Crytek?
Nvidia may have been with them slightly longer but ATI has also been working with them a very long time.

As for Nvidia cards working better on TWIWMTBP games is just ridiculous...
You realize that the TWIWMTBP program buys AMD/ATI cards... dont you?

get the HD2900xt. 1gb version

its gonna surpass GTX in all upcoming DX 10 games. + it has better image quality.

even the TYPICAL nvidia fanboys also know that hd2900xt is much better than GTX. Last month the card was on par with GTS and now its on par with $100 more expensive GTX card. sound good to me...

trust ur instinct.

go with ATI.

harooon

Show me theses benchmark please?

[QUOTE="harooon"]

get the HD2900xt. 1gb version

its gonna surpass GTX in all upcoming DX 10 games. + it has better image quality.

even the TYPICAL nvidia fanboys also know that hd2900xt is much better than GTX. Last month the card was on par with GTS and now its on par with $100 more expensive GTX card. sound good to me...

trust ur instinct.

go with ATI.

Bebi_vegeta

Show me theses benchmark please?

I am going to trust my gut feeling and instinct. I will go with the 2900xt!

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="harooon"]

get the HD2900xt. 1gb version

its gonna surpass GTX in all upcoming DX 10 games. + it has better image quality.

even the TYPICAL nvidia fanboys also know that hd2900xt is much better than GTX. Last month the card was on par with GTS and now its on par with $100 more expensive GTX card. sound good to me...

trust ur instinct.

go with ATI.

lettuceman44

Show me theses benchmark please?

I am going to trust my gut feeling and instinct. I will go with the 2900xt!

So I guess you won't be turning AA on?

What resolution will you be playing?

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="harooon"]

get the HD2900xt. 1gb version

its gonna surpass GTX in all upcoming DX 10 games. + it has better image quality.

even the TYPICAL nvidia fanboys also know that hd2900xt is much better than GTX. Last month the card was on par with GTS and now its on par with $100 more expensive GTX card. sound good to me...

trust ur instinct.

go with ATI.

Bebi_vegeta

Show me theses benchmark please?

I am going to trust my gut feeling and instinct. I will go with the 2900xt!

So I guess you won't be turning AA on?

What resolution will you be playing?

You know, Crysis is sponsored by nVidia, just for the record.Manly-manly-man

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="lettuceman44"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="harooon"]

get the HD2900xt. 1gb version

its gonna surpass GTX in all upcoming DX 10 games. + it has better image quality.

even the TYPICAL nvidia fanboys also know that hd2900xt is much better than GTX. Last month the card was on par with GTS and now its on par with $100 more expensive GTX card. sound good to me...

trust ur instinct.

go with ATI.

lettuceman44

Show me theses benchmark please?

I am going to trust my gut feeling and instinct. I will go with the 2900xt!

So I guess you won't be turning AA on?

What resolution will you be playing?

AA is sure better on Nvidia side for now. Later i have no idea like everyone else.

[QUOTE="Manly-manly-man"]You know, Crysis is sponsored by nVidia, just for the record.Zaber123

I know this post is useless, but lettuceman your avatar is awesome.Zaber123

I know this post is useless, but lettuceman your avatar is awesome.Zaber123

See i need to see performance in DX10 games before i can decide. Hopefully the drivers keep coming for ATI. I feel the same way as lettuce. I think over time the HD2900XT will be the better card.Killfox

[QUOTE="Zaber123"]I know this post is useless, but lettuceman your avatar is awesome.achilles614

i still say theres no point in them yet until bioshock comes out, and by the end of the year new cards should come out. seriously, you cant even use the dx10 awsomeness until some games come out. wait for crysis or bioshock. you'll be glad you waited. whats the worst that could happen, the price drops?blazethe1

On what resolution do you play your games?

[QUOTE="blazethe1"]i still say theres no point in them yet until bioshock comes out, and by the end of the year new cards should come out. seriously, you cant even use the dx10 awsomeness until some games come out. wait for crysis or bioshock. you'll be glad you waited. whats the worst that could happen, the price drops?Bebi_vegeta

On what resolution do you play your games?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="blazethe1"]i still say theres no point in them yet until bioshock comes out, and by the end of the year new cards should come out. seriously, you cant even use the dx10 awsomeness until some games come out. wait for crysis or bioshock. you'll be glad you waited. whats the worst that could happen, the price drops?blazethe1

On what resolution do you play your games?

LOL, youll need one heck of a card then to play at full potential!

[QUOTE="blazethe1"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="blazethe1"]i still say theres no point in them yet until bioshock comes out, and by the end of the year new cards should come out. seriously, you cant even use the dx10 awsomeness until some games come out. wait for crysis or bioshock. you'll be glad you waited. whats the worst that could happen, the price drops?Bebi_vegeta

On what resolution do you play your games?

LOL, youll need one heck of a card then to play at full potential!

Dude, do yourslef a favor and get the GTX. WAY better than a 2900 card. nVidia owns ATI/AMD right now. That's all there is to it.

get the HD2900xt. 1gb version

its gonna surpass GTX in all upcoming DX 10 games. + it has better image quality.

even the TYPICAL nvidia fanboys also know that hd2900xt is much better than GTX. Last month the card was on par with GTS and now its on par with $100 more expensive GTX card. sound good to me...

trust ur instinct.

go with ATI.

harooon

Bro, you've been sipping WAY too much ATI/AMD kool-aid. I don't know where you heard that crap from, but the truth is the highest performing ATI card out right now is compared to the GTS 8 series. Look at the Gamespot 2007 videocard roundup. That'll set you straight.

Agreed whit both posters. Especialy whit Lahiru. That technology will indeed be used in 2-3 years from now. 2900XT has tesselation. Hm. Ask ANYONE which game that has been anounced on PC for 2008 will use tesselation. He wont be able to tell you any game taht will use that. Also true DX10 titles will use all features of 2900XT and those titles are at least 2 years away. By then you will have new card. Also 2900XT seems to reach its limit in termso of optimizing drivers. New 7.7 catalys actually doent imrpove performance. They even lower it in some games. On the other hand G80 also has some future proof technologies like quantum effects which should run phyisics. About AA through sahders. For now i think that non of developers will use it. Maybe. But it would be stupid to make game that would be better playable on cards that share much less market (in that case 2900XT) and to run worst on cards that has the by far the biggest DX10 cards market (in that case nvidia). You finally get a chance to go for 8800 GTX and i say go for it.domke13

2-3 years? No.

AMD has the superior micro architecture, IMO, and the tesselator is just gravy on top. Furthermore, R600 CAN run physics, because physics can be processed through the shaders (exactly how NVIDIA does it). Although there aren't many DX9 games that take advantage of R600's super scaler architecture, you can count on DX10 to do so.

Also, DEVELOPERS HAVE TO PROCESS (DX10) AA THROUGH THE SHADERS. IT IS NOT AN OPTION, IT IS PART OF MICROSOFT DIRECTX 10 GUIDELINES!!! No more texture units to process AA, just the shaders for DX10!

What most people here are missing is the fact that the 2900 XT is $100 US cheaper than the 8800 GTX, yet it can offer comparable performance to the 8800GTX.

It really depend on how much you're willing to spend. My best estimates are that the 2900 XT and 8800 ULTRA (yes ULTRA) will be dead even in DX10 games. The performance could be shaky, but for a solid and well developed game such as Crysis, you can expect some big performance from the 2900 XT (as in, no performance hit like it takes in DX9). But, as many have said here, if you're going to be pumping 4xAA, 16xAF and maxed out details for DX9, then the 8800GTX will be a smart buy today (maybe not so much in the future though). It just depends on your perspective and wallet's ability to regenerate income.

EDIT: Fixed some lame typos.

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Get 8800GTX as NVIDIA cards perform better, I have 8800GTX and I can surely tell you that it's awesome. By the way, verynice little clip you got.

Bah. To topic creator. AS you see we have different opinions and nobody is for sure to who to belive so i suggest to wait that month, even less, for Bioshock and than decide on that. If you dont need card now wait. I couldnt wait 6 months ago when i had Radeon 9200SE, so i just grabbed the best you could buy that time. I can assure you thta if i would have GPU like 1800XT, XL, 7800GT, GTX, i would just wait for DX10 games to come, but since i wanted to play mostly DX9 games that time, since i couldnt before whit crappy 9200SE, i got 8800 GTX. I really suggest waiting for first Bioshock benchmarks, and if you can i would wait for Crysis. domke13

Agreed.

If you're on anything below a 6800GT, you should upgrade to the GTX/2900XT (flip a coin if you have to lol).

However, if you're on a decent DX9 card, wait for R650/R700/G92. :/

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harooon

Yay. I hope those tests are true. I mean tests from Crysis. 50FPS in 1600x1200 whit 4xAA and 16xAF whit GTX is exactly what i need. Yay. Cant wait. Who cares if 2900XT beats it. By WHOLE 2 FPS. I wish those tests would be true. Thats just awesome 50FPS in that resolution. It makes me fell happier waiting for Crysis. Were they using C2D E6600 for that Crysis benchmark too??? NO SARCASEM!!!

yeahh , the only option we got is to wait and see......

all of us have diff opinions. some of us are bias also. If we dont show this type of attitude then either of the company is gonna bankrupt......

i like ATI more. ( dont know y) i think its their RED colour. lolz...

aneways , nice discussion .

lol Yay another one of these threads, :D Green FTW!! >.> Lol I just thought I would say this, go with what your more use to, so what if the other card is better? AMD, Nvidia...whatever man :lol: I am always sticking to Nvidia no matter what, don't care who's on top, I just go with what I am more use to using.