9800gx2 better but for more money

This is not sure but:

The Nvidas 9800gx2 will cost more than 3870x2 but will perform better.

It says nothing about it price but i think it wont be under 500$.

The whole topic:

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5455&Itemid=1

There have been a few topic on 9800x2 and will it cost more, so i hope this helps someone. :)

Ok, this card will most probably end up somewhere around 550$.

Question is. How much better will it preform?

it wont be even under 550$. Otherwise, nVidia partners will have alot of troubles for their in-stock cards from old GTX/UltraSearchMaster

Why could it not be under $550?

I didn't see any partners rioting as the 8800GT cleaned the floor with the other cards.

We are yet to see if the 9800GX2 will simply replace the ULTRA, or if it will be as cheap Price/performance-wise as the 8800GTS 512 and simply replace both the ULTRA and the GTX at a price about the current GTX.

I didn't see any partners rioting as the 8800GT cleaned the floor with the other cards.haols

They were when they couldn't ship enough cards 3 months ago...

Why could it not be under $550?

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haols

This is nVidia we're talking about. They had the performance crown since the GTX came out, and they didn't drop prices. If the GX2 is faster than the 3870x2, they will take back the crown and make us pay dearly to get one. $500 to $575 wouldn't suprise me.

who says its going to beat the 3870x2 if the 9800gx2 hasnt come out yet

if this is true it will be sad.

It wont cost any less than $600 USD msrp.

If it does they might as well throw away the GTX and ultra cards they have lying around.

Either it doesnt come out until they sell off some of the older 8800 sku's or it costs more than $600. One of the two will happen.

rofl...and that link was worthless. Just some dude saying something that everybody else already knows but with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

Does anybody know if nVidia still plans to launch the 9800 GT/GTS/GTX/GX2 lines all at around the same time in the spring? I know that there will be a minor delay from Feb to March, but haven't heard much past that.RikkAndrsn

I'm still looking for an answer.

It wont cost any less than $600 USD msrp.

If it does they might as well throw away the GTX and ultra cards they have lying around.

Either it doesnt come out until they sell off some of the older 8800 sku's or it costs more than $600. One of the two will happen.

rofl...and that link was worthless. Just some dude saying something that everybody else already knows but with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

Alter_Echo

qft... look at the prices for the ultra, if this thing beats it even by 2% there's no way nvida will release it for under $600. especially with all these new nvidia fanboys. I was around back when the 9700 pro came out and owned everything. ATI held the crown for awhile then the 9800pro nvidia couldn't keep up. I like nvidia don't get me wrong, I own a gtx but I'm going with ati this time. Got me 2 3870x2s.

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

It wont cost any less than $600 USD msrp.

If it does they might as well throw away the GTX and ultra cards they have lying around.

Either it doesnt come out until they sell off some of the older 8800 sku's or it costs more than $600. One of the two will happen.

rofl...and that link was worthless. Just some dude saying something that everybody else already knows but with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

SSGWright

qft... look at the prices for the ultra, if this thing beats it even by 2% there's no way nvida will release it for under $600. especially with all these new nvidia fanboys. I was around back when the 9700 pro came out and owned everything. ATI held the crown for awhile then the 9800pro nvidia couldn't keep up. I like nvidia don't get me wrong, I own a gtx but I'm going with ati this time. Got me 2 3870x2s.

Im giving nvidia another month to make something available or im going with dual 3870x2's as well. Sure my GTX is still hangin tough but there is no excuse for not having moved the ball forward in over a year. The only reason they are standing around like they are is because ATI hasnt made them move. Bad play on both parts.

Im hoping the 3870's provoke nvidia into releasing an answer. this is why im giving them another month.

Did ATI jack up there prices with the 97 or 98pro cause there cards were superior to Nvidia? hell no... Nvidias a sorry a$$ company and it really ticked me off when I saw how much they originally sold the gtx and ultra for. They don't give two $h$#s about the gamer, just money in their pocket.

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

It wont cost any less than $600 USD msrp.

If it does they might as well throw away the GTX and ultra cards they have lying around.

Either it doesnt come out until they sell off some of the older 8800 sku's or it costs more than $600. One of the two will happen.

rofl...and that link was worthless. Just some dude saying something that everybody else already knows but with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

SSGWright

qft... look at the prices for the ultra, if this thing beats it even by 2% there's no way nvida will release it for under $600. especially with all these new nvidia fanboys. I was around back when the 9700 pro came out and owned everything. ATI held the crown for awhile then the 9800pro nvidia couldn't keep up. I like nvidia don't get me wrong, I own a gtx but I'm going with ati this time. Got me 2 3870x2s.

Ultra have stopped being produced. So it should no longer be a price reference.

[QUOTE="SSGWright"][QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

It wont cost any less than $600 USD msrp.

If it does they might as well throw away the GTX and ultra cards they have lying around.

Either it doesnt come out until they sell off some of the older 8800 sku's or it costs more than $600. One of the two will happen.

rofl...and that link was worthless. Just some dude saying something that everybody else already knows but with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

Alter_Echo

qft... look at the prices for the ultra, if this thing beats it even by 2% there's no way nvida will release it for under $600. especially with all these new nvidia fanboys. I was around back when the 9700 pro came out and owned everything. ATI held the crown for awhile then the 9800pro nvidia couldn't keep up. I like nvidia don't get me wrong, I own a gtx but I'm going with ati this time. Got me 2 3870x2s.

Im giving nvidia another month to make something available or im going with dual 3870x2's as well. Sure my GTX is still hangin tough but there is no excuse for not having moved the ball forward in over a year. The only reason they are standing around like they are is because ATI hasnt made them move. Bad play on both parts.

Im hoping the 3870's provoke nvidia into releasing an answer. this is why im giving them another month.

Are you willing to sell your GTX? Cause i'd buy it for a nice price.

For the record....i purchased my first GTX 2 days before they went on sale and it cost me $699.99

Thats roughly $200 more than ANY single card solution should ever cost regardless of how badass it is ( at the time )

And yeah id probably sell it for a reasonable price. Otherwise its going in my backup rig.

For the record....i purchased my first GTX 2 days before they went on sale and it cost me $699.99

Thats roughly $200 more than ANY single card solution should ever cost regardless of how badass it is ( at the time )

Alter_Echo

If you thinkn there ripping you off, why are you buying from them?

Because i had 2 6800u's in sli that were half dead and artifacting due to being oc'd to death on chilled water for over a year 24/7

That and there wasnt really another option at the time since i wanted to go dual card but didnt have a CF capable motherboard.

Because i had 2 6800u's in sli that were half dead and artifacting due to being oc'd to death on chilled water for over a year 24/7

That and there wasnt really another option at the time since i wanted to go dual card but didnt have a CF capable motherboard.

Alter_Echo

This is exaclty why there puting there card high priced... people are still willing to buy even if it's over priced. I don't blame Nvidia at all.

Im not complaining about how much it cost. I knew i was spending that much and i knew what i was getting for it. I knew it was probably $200 more than it was worth but thats how bad i wanted it.

I dont fault them for their prices i fault them for sitting by and not advancing simply because the competition isnt making them.

utill i see benchmarks and the 9800GX2 MORE than 30% better than the ultra, ill still lean towards the 3870x2 being at the price range its in.Lilgunney612

isnt 3870x2 30% faster then the ultra? just a thought. I have seen it perform better in games that actually do good in the first place -except crysis, but is basically the same card but diffrent brand worth it? just comes to whats priced lower.TrooperManaic

[QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]isnt 3870x2 30% faster then the ultra? just a thought. I have seen it perform better in games that actually do good in the first place -except crysis, but is basically the same card but diffrent brand worth it? just comes to whats priced lower.Thinker_145

I'm happy to see you are correct this time. This card is barely any faster than ultra, still it's like hundreds of bucks cheaper than ultra. That is because nVidia partners are selling the last 88ultra cards (numbers in few thousands) and despite their rip-off prices the last product buyers will still buy this card. It was the same with last generation. Top end nVidias never really too much falled in price. They remained that price until last one was sold.

9800 GX2's performance depends on how fast NVIDIA clocked the two G92 chips. Remember that with the 7950 GX2, they had to cut clock speeds of the G71 chips down to laptop speeds? This affected the 7950 GX2's performance heavily, easpecially when it was pitched against setups like 7900 GTX SLi or X1950 XTX CF.

If NVIDIA keeps the clock speeds of the G92 chips at 8800 GT like speeds then we could possibly see this card equaling or outperforming the HD3870 X2.
Photos of prototype 9800 GX2 samples show a 6 pin and 8 pin connector on the PCB's, which indicates that the card probably consumes around 200w of power (or even more--8 pin, remember). 200w+ of power would mean that the the G92 chips are probably running at 8800 GT like speeds (8800 GT had a TDP of around 110-120w IIRC).

NVIDIA's only issues at this point would be cooling the card effectively and yeilding enough G92 (with 128 stream processors) chips and cards that can run at the necessary clock speeds, while also fitting in under the ~110w thermal envelope.

Don't forget that the HD3870 X2 is an overclocked RV670 chip (825 MHz vs 775 MHz), so it puts some extra pressure on NVIDIA's thermal goals.

[QUOTE="Lilgunney612"]utill i see benchmarks and the 9800GX2 MORE than 30% better than the ultra, ill still lean towards the 3870x2 being at the price range its in.Thinker_145

[QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]isnt 3870x2 30% faster then the ultra? just a thought. I have seen it perform better in games that actually do good in the first place -except crysis, but is basically the same card but diffrent brand worth it? just comes to whats priced lower.Thinker_145

Not when you increase the resolution and AA.

At 19x12 it's still only barely faster.And still with 4xAA and 8xAF the ultra closes the gap with the 3870X2.

Make no mistake this card kicks ass but 2 things let it down.First that the 512MB GTS kicks it badly in price/performance and another big problem i have is that crysis still easily kicks it and laughs at it.A card coming 2 months after crysis and priced at $450 and still cant max it even at a reasonable resolution just doesnt go well with me.

At 19x12 it's still only barely faster.And still with 4xAA and 8xAF the ultra closes the gap with the 3870X2.

Make no mistake this card kicks ass but 2 things let it down.First that the 512MB GTS kicks it badly in price/performance and another big problem i have is that crysis still easily kicks it and laughs at it.A card coming 2 months after crysis and priced at $450 and still cant max it even at a reasonable resolution just doesnt go well with me.

Thinker_145

maybe it is a games problem...

other games run well.

At 19x12 it's still only barely faster.And still with 4xAA and 8xAF the ultra closes the gap with the 3870X2.

Make no mistake this card kicks ass but 2 things let it down.First that the 512MB GTS kicks it badly in price/performance and another big problem i have is that crysis still easily kicks it and laughs at it.A card coming 2 months after crysis and priced at $450 and still cant max it even at a reasonable resolution just doesnt go well with me.

Thinker_145

See 2560x1600 or try applying some heavier AA.

Further, it should be noted that Tom's Hardware did NOT use the 8-451-2-080123a driver, which ATi claims provides the following:
• Company of Heroes DX10 – AA now working on R680. Up to 70% faster at 2560x1600 4xAA
• Crysis DX10 – Improves up to ~60% on R680 and up to ~9% on RV670 on Island GPU test up to 1920x1200.
• Lost Planet DX10 – 16xAF scores on R680 improved ~20% and more. AF scores were horribly low before and should have been very close to no AF scores
• Oblivion – fixed random texture flashing
• COJ – no longer randomly goes to blackscreen after the DX10 benchmark run
• World in Conflict - 2560x1600x32 0xAA 16xAF quality=high we get 77% increase
• Fixed random WIC random crashing to desktop
• Fixed CF scaling for Colin McRae Dirt, Tiger Woods 08, and Blazing Angels2
• Fixed WIC DX9 having smearable text

Also, you can thank NVIDIA's "TWIMTBP" program for odd performance on ATi platforms (with Crysis), as it probably restricts ATi's driver team access to Crysis' source codes (blocking the potential to develop an efficient driver suite). This doesn't only happen in Crysis DX10 though...

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

At 19x12 it's still only barely faster.And still with 4xAA and 8xAF the ultra closes the gap with the 3870X2.

Make no mistake this card kicks ass but 2 things let it down.First that the 512MB GTS kicks it badly in price/performance and another big problem i have is that crysis still easily kicks it and laughs at it.A card coming 2 months after crysis and priced at $450 and still cant max it even at a reasonable resolution just doesnt go well with me.

Sistem_42

maybe it is a games problem...

other games run well.

[QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]isnt 3870x2 30% faster then the ultra? just a thought. I have seen it perform better in games that actually do good in the first place -except crysis, but is basically the same card but diffrent brand worth it? just comes to whats priced lower.Thinker_145

Also AMD told reviewers to hold off on the card, because the current drivers don't show the cards running at full potential. But reviewers didn't listen and we're now going based on scores that should be dis-regarded.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]isnt 3870x2 30% faster then the ultra? just a thought. I have seen it perform better in games that actually do good in the first place -except crysis, but is basically the same card but diffrent brand worth it? just comes to whats priced lower.karasill

Also AMD told reviewers to hold off on the card, because the current drivers don't show the cards running at full potential. But reviewers didn't listen and we're now going based on scores that should be dis-regarded.

Why would AMD release a card which will get a MASSIVE boost in performance by the very next driver.:roll:

[QUOTE="karasill"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]isnt 3870x2 30% faster then the ultra? just a thought. I have seen it perform better in games that actually do good in the first place -except crysis, but is basically the same card but diffrent brand worth it? just comes to whats priced lower.Thinker_145

Also AMD told reviewers to hold off on the card, because the current drivers don't show the cards running at full potential. But reviewers didn't listen and we're now going based on scores that should be dis-regarded.

Why would AMD release a card which will get a MASSIVE boost in performance by the very next driver.:roll:

Try running Crysis on an ATI card without the hotfix (basicly a patch to the driver). It's unplayable. Software does make an improvement to framerate and the 3870 is a little faster now then when it first released.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="karasill"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]isnt 3870x2 30% faster then the ultra? just a thought. I have seen it perform better in games that actually do good in the first place -except crysis, but is basically the same card but diffrent brand worth it? just comes to whats priced lower.karasill

Also AMD told reviewers to hold off on the card, because the current drivers don't show the cards running at full potential. But reviewers didn't listen and we're now going based on scores that should be dis-regarded.

Why would AMD release a card which will get a MASSIVE boost in performance by the very next driver.:roll:

Try running Crysis on an ATI card without the hotfix (basicly a patch to the driver). It's unplayable. Software does make an improvement to framerate and the 3870 is a little faster now then when it first released.

So ATI makes it's customers wait for "hotfixes" before they can play a game.That's sad if you ask me.Thinker_145

EDIT: you know what, I don't care anymore. This is going to turn into an ATI vs nVidia arguement here. I have better things to do then argue with you. Sorry ;)

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]So ATI makes it's customers wait for "hotfixes" before they can play a game.That's sad if you ask me.karasill

EDIT: you know what, I don't care anymore. This is going to turn into an ATI vs nVidia arguement here. I have better things to do then argue with you. Sorry ;)

Thinker since youre new to the building world and like to take jabs at ATI. How about the fact that ATI is using a driver that doesnt even support the 3870x2 yet. Just its smaller brother the 3870. So its already beating the Ultra by 5-30% in games with no driver. Thats great news. Next driver is support for the GPU and Quad Crossfire.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that nVidia players have had to wait for hotfixes. That is sad I guess too then. Lets not forget when the 8800gts launched, it couldnt even get Splinter Cell to work and a few other games. nVidia drivers are as bad as ATIs.

9mmSpliff

Why did the drivers not help the 3870 then?When the 3870 was released there were plenty of people who actually said that the 3870 would beat the 8800GT and i laughed at them and never stopped laughing.

There was talk of buying a 3870 and take a risk that the card may just become faster than the 8800GT.:lol:

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Thinker since youre new to the building world and like to take jabs at ATI. How about the fact that ATI is using a driver that doesnt even support the 3870x2 yet. Just its smaller brother the 3870. So its already beating the Ultra by 5-30% in games with no driver. Thats great news. Next driver is support for the GPU and Quad Crossfire.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that nVidia players have had to wait for hotfixes. That is sad I guess too then. Lets not forget when the 8800gts launched, it couldnt even get Splinter Cell to work and a few other games. nVidia drivers are as bad as ATIs.

Thinker_145

Why did the drivers not help the 3870 then?When the 3870 was released there were plenty of people who actually said that the 3870 would beat the 8800GT and i laughed at them and never stopped laughing.

There was talk of buying a 3870 and take a risk that the card may just become faster than the 8800GT.:lol:

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Thinker since youre new to the building world and like to take jabs at ATI. How about the fact that ATI is using a driver that doesnt even support the 3870x2 yet. Just its smaller brother the 3870. So its already beating the Ultra by 5-30% in games with no driver. Thats great news. Next driver is support for the GPU and Quad Crossfire.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that nVidia players have had to wait for hotfixes. That is sad I guess too then. Lets not forget when the 8800gts launched, it couldnt even get Splinter Cell to work and a few other games. nVidia drivers are as bad as ATIs.

Thinker_145

Why did the drivers not help the 3870 then?When the 3870 was released there were plenty of people who actually said that the 3870 would beat the 8800GT and i laughed at them and never stopped laughing.

There was talk of buying a 3870 and take a risk that the card may just become faster than the 8800GT.:lol:

Even I(8 years loyal nVidia costumer) admits that the new cards are rly nice, if you count value/money factor then they are winners. Until 9800 comes out, they will simple remain on the top, live with it. Even then, they may worth more than a 9800, cz you may get 2 of them in price of one 9800 if price is 600+. AVIVO options and Catalyst looks nice -tested them on a friend's house- so I guess it is more like what you want, want something "cheap" -that performs well- or got money to burn for SLI 9800? As for 2900XT never was a 8800 GTX killer, was it? it was more like money wise for people who wanted DX10(still perfer my XFX 8800 GTS XXX for that job). 3870 was a mid category, can't compare them with 8800 GT/ GTS/ GTX/ GTX Ultra.

I agree on you for drivers, ATI is usually late delivering the right drivers(compare to nVidia), bt when it does it surely show some major improvments. In my opinion, we should rly judge X2 perfomances only after its proper drivers come! Even some ATI's partners haven't update their webpages to include X2.

BTW nice specs, bt I reccomend you a new case, input/output devices and mousepad.