9800gx2 better but for more money

Thinker since youre new to the building world and like to take jabs at ATI. How about the fact that ATI is using a driver that doesnt even support the 3870x2 yet. Just its smaller brother the 3870. So its already beating the Ultra by 5-30% in games with no driver. Thats great news. Next driver is support for the GPU and Quad Crossfire.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that nVidia players have had to wait for hotfixes. That is sad I guess too then. Lets not forget when the 8800gts launched, it couldnt even get Splinter Cell to work and a few other games. nVidia drivers are as bad as ATIs.

9mmSpliff

If the drivers were really going to make that much of a difference, don't you think ATi would have waited to release the card when the drivers were ready? Otherwise, they release the card with drivers that "don't even support the 3870X2".

I agree with Thinker... there is always so much promise in these cards, then they're released, then ATi says the drivers aren't ready yet and we'll see how awesome the card is when there are drivers. Then we wait with anticipation, the drivers come out, and they don't make a huge difference.

I'm not saying nVidia isn't guilty of this as well, but both companies commonly use driver support as an excuse for less than anticipated performance upon launch. For some reason, ATi seems to be guilty of this fact a lot more than nVidia recently. As Thinker explained above.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Thinker since youre new to the building world and like to take jabs at ATI. How about the fact that ATI is using a driver that doesnt even support the 3870x2 yet. Just its smaller brother the 3870. So its already beating the Ultra by 5-30% in games with no driver. Thats great news. Next driver is support for the GPU and Quad Crossfire.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that nVidia players have had to wait for hotfixes. That is sad I guess too then. Lets not forget when the 8800gts launched, it couldnt even get Splinter Cell to work and a few other games. nVidia drivers are as bad as ATIs.

Athonline

Why did the drivers not help the 3870 then?When the 3870 was released there were plenty of people who actually said that the 3870 would beat the 8800GT and i laughed at them and never stopped laughing.

There was talk of buying a 3870 and take a risk that the card may just become faster than the 8800GT.:lol:

Even I(8 years loyal nVidia costumer) admits that the new cards are rly nice, if you count value/money factor then they are winners. Until 9800 comes out, they will simple remain on the top, live with it. Even then, they may worth more than a 9800, cz you may get 2 of them in price of one 9800 if price is 600+. AVIVO options and Catalyst looks nice -tested them on a friend's house- so I guess it is more like what you want, want something "cheap" -that performs well- or got money to burn for SLI 9800? As for 2900XT never was a 8800 GTX killer, was it? it was more like money wise for people who wanted DX10(still perfer my XFX 8800 GTS XXX for that job). 3870 was a mid category, can't compare them with 8800 GT/ GTS/ GTX/ GTX Ultra.

I agree on you for drivers, ATI is usually late delivering the right drivers(compare to nVidia), bt when it does it surely show some major improvments. In my opinion, we should rly judge X2 perfomances only after its proper drivers come! Even some ATI's partners haven't update their webpages to include X2.

BTW nice specs, bt I reccomend you a new case, input/output devices and mousepad.

And ya my casing is pretty cheap but provides adequate cooling which is all i care for in a casing until i make alot more money.My input devices are pretty good but ya the output devices could be better especially the speakers.Mousepad is a cloth one and is just fine for me.

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Thinker since youre new to the building world and like to take jabs at ATI. How about the fact that ATI is using a driver that doesnt even support the 3870x2 yet. Just its smaller brother the 3870. So its already beating the Ultra by 5-30% in games with no driver. Thats great news. Next driver is support for the GPU and Quad Crossfire.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that nVidia players have had to wait for hotfixes. That is sad I guess too then. Lets not forget when the 8800gts launched, it couldnt even get Splinter Cell to work and a few other games. nVidia drivers are as bad as ATIs.

Fignewton50

If the drivers were really going to make that much of a difference, don't you think ATi would have waited to release the card when the drivers were ready? Otherwise, they release the card with drivers that "don't even support the 3870X2".

I agree with Thinker... there is always so much promise in these cards, then they're released, then ATi says the drivers aren't ready yet and we'll see how awesome the card is when there are drivers. Then we wait with anticipation, the drivers come out, and they don't make a huge difference.

I'm not saying nVidia isn't guilty of this as well, but both companies commonly use driver support as an excuse for less than anticipated performance upon launch. For some reason, ATi seems to be guilty of this fact a lot more than nVidia recently. As Thinker explained above.

ATi has an upward battle with drivers because majority of developers side with NVIDIA's "TWIMTBP" program and restrict ATi from source code of the game or the game engine itself. Call it an excuse, but it's a bit hard to optimise your drivers for games when they're so closely alligned with your competitor.

Look at games that have been ported from the Xbox360 (particularly those running off of the Unreal Engine 3): R600 and its derivatives match or outperform G80. This shouldn't come as a surprise since the 360 uses ATi's Xenon and since Epic has worked quite closely with ATi during the development of the UE3 engine.

R600 can be made to look like a joke or a success depending on what software base you test it on.

Who's at fault here though? Should NVIDIA's tight grasp on developers under the "TWIMTBP" be criticised for unhealthy competition? Is it ATI's own fault for not going out of their way to attain more developers on their side compared to NVIDIA?

damn, i hate fanboys... **cough, thinker,**cough... I like both ati and nvidia, whichever cards on top thats what I get. and face it, ati is on top.

get over it thinker.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Thinker since youre new to the building world and like to take jabs at ATI. How about the fact that ATI is using a driver that doesnt even support the 3870x2 yet. Just its smaller brother the 3870. So its already beating the Ultra by 5-30% in games with no driver. Thats great news. Next driver is support for the GPU and Quad Crossfire.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that nVidia players have had to wait for hotfixes. That is sad I guess too then. Lets not forget when the 8800gts launched, it couldnt even get Splinter Cell to work and a few other games. nVidia drivers are as bad as ATIs.

Wesker776

If the drivers were really going to make that much of a difference, don't you think ATi would have waited to release the card when the drivers were ready? Otherwise, they release the card with drivers that "don't even support the 3870X2".

I agree with Thinker... there is always so much promise in these cards, then they're released, then ATi says the drivers aren't ready yet and we'll see how awesome the card is when there are drivers. Then we wait with anticipation, the drivers come out, and they don't make a huge difference.

I'm not saying nVidia isn't guilty of this as well, but both companies commonly use driver support as an excuse for less than anticipated performance upon launch. For some reason, ATi seems to be guilty of this fact a lot more than nVidia recently. As Thinker explained above.

ATi has an upward battle with drivers because majority of developers side with NVIDIA's "TWIMTBP" program and restrict ATi from source code of the game or the game engine itself. Call it an excuse, but it's a bit hard to optimise your drivers for games when they're so closely alligned with your competitor.

Look at games that have been ported from the Xbox360 (particularly those running off of the Unreal Engine 3): R600 and its derivatives match or outperform G80. This shouldn't come as a surprise since the 360 uses ATi's Xenon and since Epic has worked quite closely with ATi during the development of the UE3 engine.

R600 can be made to look like a joke or a success depending on what software base you test it on.

Who's at fault here though? Should NVIDIA's tight grasp on developers under the "TWIMTBP" be criticised for unhealthy competition? Is it ATI's own fault for not going out of their way to attain more developers on their side compared to NVIDIA?

Crysis and World in Conflict are prime examples of this problem :( I mean you just need to take a look at any world in conflict benchmark with the R600 and you can see exactly what hardware the game was truly aimed towards that its a disgrace to the industry.

Its business I guess but it still sucks ;)

it wont be even under 550$. Otherwise, nVidia partners will have alot of troubles for their in-stock cards from old GTX/UltraSearchMaster

I can hardly find any GTXs in shops at this time. Ultras arent that rare but still...

Should i sell my GTX for around 350$ and get 3870X2, or should i wait for 9800GX2, sell my GTX for 350 and add some money. Or should i just wait for next real new card?

[QUOTE="Athonline"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Thinker since youre new to the building world and like to take jabs at ATI. How about the fact that ATI is using a driver that doesnt even support the 3870x2 yet. Just its smaller brother the 3870. So its already beating the Ultra by 5-30% in games with no driver. Thats great news. Next driver is support for the GPU and Quad Crossfire.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that nVidia players have had to wait for hotfixes. That is sad I guess too then. Lets not forget when the 8800gts launched, it couldnt even get Splinter Cell to work and a few other games. nVidia drivers are as bad as ATIs.

Thinker_145

Why did the drivers not help the 3870 then?When the 3870 was released there were plenty of people who actually said that the 3870 would beat the 8800GT and i laughed at them and never stopped laughing.

There was talk of buying a 3870 and take a risk that the card may just become faster than the 8800GT.:lol:

Even I(8 years loyal nVidia costumer) admits that the new cards are rly nice, if you count value/money factor then they are winners. Until 9800 comes out, they will simple remain on the top, live with it. Even then, they may worth more than a 9800, cz you may get 2 of them in price of one 9800 if price is 600+. AVIVO options and Catalyst looks nice -tested them on a friend's house- so I guess it is more like what you want, want something "cheap" -that performs well- or got money to burn for SLI 9800? As for 2900XT never was a 8800 GTX killer, was it? it was more like money wise for people who wanted DX10(still perfer my XFX 8800 GTS XXX for that job). 3870 was a mid category, can't compare them with 8800 GT/ GTS/ GTX/ GTX Ultra.

I agree on you for drivers, ATI is usually late delivering the right drivers(compare to nVidia), bt when it does it surely show some major improvments. In my opinion, we should rly judge X2 perfomances only after its proper drivers come! Even some ATI's partners haven't update their webpages to include X2.

BTW nice specs, bt I reccomend you a new case, input/output devices and mousepad.

And ya my casing is pretty cheap but provides adequate cooling which is all i care for in a casing until i make alot more money.My input devices are pretty good but ya the output devices could be better especially the speakers.Mousepad is a cloth one and is just fine for me.

Ofc I can compare it with GT, did I said otherwise? don't forget for a such SLI build, you also need a mobo with nVidia chipset, while for X2 you don't and you keep your secondary VGA empty for Crossfire later on.

I also need a new Monitor/ Speakers

[QUOTE="SearchMaster"]it wont be even under 550$. Otherwise, nVidia partners will have alot of troubles for their in-stock cards from old GTX/Ultradomke13

I can hardly find any GTXs in shops at this time. Ultras arent that rare but still...

Should i sell my GTX for around 350$ and get 3870X2, or should i wait for 9800GX2, sell my GTX for 350 and add some money. Or should i just wait for next real new card?

Wait for R700/GT200.

Your card is still stupidly fast, domke.

Crysis and World in Conflict are prime examples of this problem :( I mean you just need to take a look at any world in conflict benchmark with the R600 and you can see exactly what hardware the game was truly aimed towards that its a disgrace to the industry.

Its business I guess but it still sucks ;)

Fignewton50

Really? Crysis and WiC are optimized for who? For Nvidia or ATI? Which are the latest games that are most optimized for playing with Nvidia cards? I ask this because a month and 1/2 ago I bought two 8800 GTS G92 cards and would like to play the best games for me.

Thanks.

We don't even know if the 9800GX2 is a real card. It could just be a photoshopped mock up.

If it is real, I hope they do what ATI did with the X2: Two GPUs on one PCB rather than two PCBs. I want a single card solution.

Then i think you already waiting for something like 9800GTX

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

Crysis and World in Conflict are prime examples of this problem :( I mean you just need to take a look at any world in conflict benchmark with the R600 and you can see exactly what hardware the game was truly aimed towards that its a disgrace to the industry.

Its business I guess but it still sucks ;)

bandieramonte

Really? Crysis and WiC are optimized for who? For Nvidia or ATI? Which are the latest games that are most optimized for playing with Nvidia cards? I ask this because a month and 1/2 ago I bought two 8800 GTS G92 cards and would like to play the best games for me.

Thanks.

Anybody?

you bought SLI 8800gts and you dont even own 1 of those 2 games....wierd. Anyways Crysis SLI support is not very strong right now. 9mmSpliff

jaja no pal, I ordered this machine like 1 1/2 months ago and I'm still waiting (I live in Venezuela, and deliveries to this country are really slow and is tough to realize that while I wait some new hardware is being released....:(:(:()

So I'm mentally preparing for buying the games for when my machine finally arrives. Which ultimate games out there are the best for Nvidia? Say the games most touched by the TWIMTBP program?

We don't even know if the 9800GX2 is a real card. It could just be a photoshopped mock up.

If it is real, I hope they do what ATI did with the X2: Two GPUs on one PCB rather than two PCBs. I want a single card solution.Thompsonwhore

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Thinker since youre new to the building world and like to take jabs at ATI. How about the fact that ATI is using a driver that doesnt even support the 3870x2 yet. Just its smaller brother the 3870. So its already beating the Ultra by 5-30% in games with no driver. Thats great news. Next driver is support for the GPU and Quad Crossfire.

Oh yeah, lets not forget that nVidia players have had to wait for hotfixes. That is sad I guess too then. Lets not forget when the 8800gts launched, it couldnt even get Splinter Cell to work and a few other games. nVidia drivers are as bad as ATIs.

Wesker776

If the drivers were really going to make that much of a difference, don't you think ATi would have waited to release the card when the drivers were ready? Otherwise, they release the card with drivers that "don't even support the 3870X2".

I agree with Thinker... there is always so much promise in these cards, then they're released, then ATi says the drivers aren't ready yet and we'll see how awesome the card is when there are drivers. Then we wait with anticipation, the drivers come out, and they don't make a huge difference.

I'm not saying nVidia isn't guilty of this as well, but both companies commonly use driver support as an excuse for less than anticipated performance upon launch. For some reason, ATi seems to be guilty of this fact a lot more than nVidia recently. As Thinker explained above.

ATi has an upward battle with drivers because majority of developers side with NVIDIA's "TWIMTBP" program and restrict ATi from source code of the game or the game engine itself. Call it an excuse, but it's a bit hard to optimise your drivers for games when they're so closely alligned with your competitor.

Look at games that have been ported from the Xbox360 (particularly those running off of the Unreal Engine 3): R600 and its derivatives match or outperform G80. This shouldn't come as a surprise since the 360 uses ATi's Xenon and since Epic has worked quite closely with ATi during the development of the UE3 engine.

R600 can be made to look like a joke or a success depending on what software base you test it on.

Who's at fault here though? Should NVIDIA's tight grasp on developers under the "TWIMTBP" be criticised for unhealthy competition? Is it ATI's own fault for not going out of their way to attain more developers on their side compared to NVIDIA?

I also think that ATI's marketing sucks.I mean what's up with the names of their GPU's,HD3870,3850,3670 and what not?These names simply donot sound "cool" like the 8800 does which does not help in making their cards popular.I personally dont give a damn about what my cards name is but a more attractive and simpler name will help make your product more popular.

You cannot possibly blame nvidia for this.It's just business and who knows whether this program improves only the performance of nvidia cards and does not intentionally decrease the performance of ATI cards?Either way it's ATI's fault for being lazy.They even lost their long time partner valve.Their games have always run better on ATI cards but that will no longer be the case.

I also think that ATI's marketing sucks.I mean what's up with the names of their GPU's,HD3870,3850,3670 and what not?These names simply donot sound "cool" like the 8800 does which does not help in making their cards popular.I personally dont give a damn about what my cards name is but a more attractive and simpler name will help make your product more popular.

Thinker_145

Agree with you. ATI's marketing sucks, especially after AMD got ATI. Now I wonder if it is worth to give 100 euros for a 680i mobo and get 9800 on realese day(got XFX 8800 GTS 320 XXX Edition atm) or give more money on mobo + get 1ghz DDR2 ram + core 2 quad 9450 when it is released(got e6400 atm, bt I can OC it with the case I ordred) and stay with 8800 GTS or get 9600. Any advices? Can get both solutions cz hardware is rly overprice over here. For me 600 dollars aren't much for a 9800 cz over here it will cost like 900 dollars :S.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You cannot possibly blame nvidia for this.It's just business and who knows whether this program improves only the performance of nvidia cards and does not intentionally decrease the performance of ATI cards?Either way it's ATI's fault for being lazy.They even lost their long time partner valve.Their games have always run better on ATI cards but that will no longer be the case.

I also think that ATI's marketing sucks.I mean what's up with the names of their GPU's,HD3870,3850,3670 and what not?These names simply donot sound "cool" like the 8800 does which does not help in making their cards popular.I personally dont give a damn about what my cards name is but a more attractive and simpler name will help make your product more popular.

Athonline

Agree with you. ATI's marketing sucks, especially after AMD got ATI. Now I wonder if it is worth to give 100 euros for a 680i mobo and get 9800 on realese day(got XFX 8800 GTS 320 XXX Edition atm) or give more money on mobo + get 1ghz DDR2 ram + core 2 quad 9450 when it is released(got e6400 atm, bt I can OC it with the case I ordred) and stay with 8800 GTS or get 9600. Any advices? Can get both solutions cz hardware is rly overprice over here. For me 600 dollars aren't much for a 9800 cz over here it will cost like 900 dollars :S.

Anyways your card is pretty damn good for now and forget about the 9600.It wont be much better if any better than your card.When is the right time to upgrade your card really depends on your personal preference.It's only real drawback is the low VRAM but you should be fine with 320MB for some time.If you have the money than getting a high end 9 series card would definitely be worth it.And again i didnt quite understand what you were saying.

As for the CPU well your E6400 should be fine for now especially if you can OC it a bit than there really is absolutely no need to upgrade it.You should look into spending more money on the GPU.And since you already have an 8800GTS you should definetely wait a little bit more on how the next lineup of cards stack up.

And lastly overpaying for faster RAM isnt worth it even if you want to OC.

And lastly overpaying for faster RAM isnt worth it even if you want to OC.

Thinker_145

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

And lastly overpaying for faster RAM isnt worth it even if you want to OC.

9mmSpliff

Yeah, that's pretty bad advice.

I am purely talking about from a business point of view.Go into system wars and everybody knows what an 8800 is but not many know what a 3870 is.I dont personally give a damn about whether my graphics card sounds coll or not but ATI losing dev support like valve is most probably because valve found out that the majority of steam users have nvidia graphics cards.Well atleast that's valve's reasoning behind it.

Cool names can have a big impact on the success of your product provided that the product is good to begin with ofcourse.Are you trying to deny that?

And FYI my ban had NOTHING to do with the way i post in the PC hardware forum.

[QUOTE="Athonline"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You cannot possibly blame nvidia for this.It's just business and who knows whether this program improves only the performance of nvidia cards and does not intentionally decrease the performance of ATI cards?Either way it's ATI's fault for being lazy.They even lost their long time partner valve.Their games have always run better on ATI cards but that will no longer be the case.

I also think that ATI's marketing sucks.I mean what's up with the names of their GPU's,HD3870,3850,3670 and what not?These names simply donot sound "cool" like the 8800 does which does not help in making their cards popular.I personally dont give a damn about what my cards name is but a more attractive and simpler name will help make your product more popular.

Thinker_145

Agree with you. ATI's marketing sucks, especially after AMD got ATI. Now I wonder if it is worth to give 100 euros for a 680i mobo and get 9800 on realese day(got XFX 8800 GTS 320 XXX Edition atm) or give more money on mobo + get 1ghz DDR2 ram + core 2 quad 9450 when it is released(got e6400 atm, bt I can OC it with the case I ordred) and stay with 8800 GTS or get 9600. Any advices? Can get both solutions cz hardware is rly overprice over here. For me 600 dollars aren't much for a 9800 cz over here it will cost like 900 dollars :S.

Anyways your card is pretty damn good for now and forget about the 9600.It wont be much better if any better than your card.When is the right time to upgrade your card really depends on your personal preference.It's only real drawback is the low VRAM but you should be fine with 320MB for some time.If you have the money than getting a high end 9 series card would definitely be worth it.And again i didnt quite understand what you were saying.

As for the CPU well your E6400 should be fine for now especially if you can OC it a bit than there really is absolutely no need to upgrade it.You should look into spending more money on the GPU.And since you already have an 8800GTS you should definetely wait a little bit more on how the next lineup of cards stack up.

And lastly overpaying for faster RAM isnt worth it even if you want to OC.

Sry for my english. I said that:

I 'm thinking about either:

a) Getting a new mobo(I got an old 945P Neo 3 from MSI, cz it costed like 120 last year over here and couldn't afford more) of 100 euros(that XFX 680i one) allongside with my new Kandalf Full Tower + a dozen of extra coolers + one Zulman cooler for CPU so I can OC my e6400 up to 3ghz(can do 2,5 to 2,7ghz atm bt temps are getting way high) and later on invest on a high end 9 series card.

or b)

Get one mobo with 780i, allongside with new RAMs(maybe 800Mhz then) + core 2 quad Q9450 + later in the summer a new gfx card(maybe 9600 or if I'm lucky a cheaper version of 9800. Again I'm buying that case with all the funs.

Overhere most things are overpriced(8800 GT is 400 to 500 dollars atm overhere) so I can't afford 9800 Gx2 + new mobo + new CPU at the same time. Cz the mobo allone will cost me 230 euros nt to metion that the cpu will cost like 300 euros.

I 'm rly confused since I was away from hardware(got into console gaming:P) bt now that I got a part time job at a local computers' store I got into pc gaming again(note Crysis looks great, I run the demo with nearly 25 to 30 FPS with all gfx at max that DX9 allow me to)

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

And lastly overpaying for faster RAM isnt worth it even if you want to OC.

9mmSpliff

I didnt say that you shouldnt pay more for faster RAM but you shouldnt "overpay".Are you telling me that DDR2 1024 is worth it over DDR2 800 "if" it's overpriced?

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Athonline"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You cannot possibly blame nvidia for this.It's just business and who knows whether this program improves only the performance of nvidia cards and does not intentionally decrease the performance of ATI cards?Either way it's ATI's fault for being lazy.They even lost their long time partner valve.Their games have always run better on ATI cards but that will no longer be the case.

I also think that ATI's marketing sucks.I mean what's up with the names of their GPU's,HD3870,3850,3670 and what not?These names simply donot sound "cool" like the 8800 does which does not help in making their cards popular.I personally dont give a damn about what my cards name is but a more attractive and simpler name will help make your product more popular.

Athonline

Agree with you. ATI's marketing sucks, especially after AMD got ATI. Now I wonder if it is worth to give 100 euros for a 680i mobo and get 9800 on realese day(got XFX 8800 GTS 320 XXX Edition atm) or give more money on mobo + get 1ghz DDR2 ram + core 2 quad 9450 when it is released(got e6400 atm, bt I can OC it with the case I ordred) and stay with 8800 GTS or get 9600. Any advices? Can get both solutions cz hardware is rly overprice over here. For me 600 dollars aren't much for a 9800 cz over here it will cost like 900 dollars :S.

Anyways your card is pretty damn good for now and forget about the 9600.It wont be much better if any better than your card.When is the right time to upgrade your card really depends on your personal preference.It's only real drawback is the low VRAM but you should be fine with 320MB for some time.If you have the money than getting a high end 9 series card would definitely be worth it.And again i didnt quite understand what you were saying.

As for the CPU well your E6400 should be fine for now especially if you can OC it a bit than there really is absolutely no need to upgrade it.You should look into spending more money on the GPU.And since you already have an 8800GTS you should definetely wait a little bit more on how the next lineup of cards stack up.

And lastly overpaying for faster RAM isnt worth it even if you want to OC.

Sry for my english. I said that:

I 'm thinking about either:

a) Getting a new mobo(I got an old 945P Neo 3 from MSI, cz it costed like 120 last year over here and couldn't afford more) of 100 euros(that XFX 680i one) allongside with my new Kandalf Full Tower + a dozen of extra coolers + one Zulman cooler for CPU so I can OC my e6400 up to 3ghz(can do 2,5 to 2,7ghz atm bt temps are getting way high) and later on invest on a high end 9 series card.

or b)

Get one mobo with 780i, allongside with new RAMs(maybe 800Mhz then) + core 2 quad Q9450 + later in the summer a new gfx card(maybe 9600 or if I'm lucky a cheaper version of 9800. Again I'm buying that case with all the funs.

Overhere most things are overpriced(8800 GT is 400 to 500 dollars atm overhere) so I can't afford 9800 Gx2 + new mobo + new CPU at the same time. Cz the mobo allone will cost me 230 euros nt to metion that the cpu will cost like 300 euros.

I 'm rly confused since I was away from hardware(got into console gaming:P) bt now that I got a part time job at a local computers' store I got into pc gaming again(note Crysis looks great, I run the demo with nearly 25 to 30 FPS with all gfx at max that DX9 allow me to)

And remember E6400 oced with a high end 9 series card>>>>>>>>>Q9450 with mid high end card.And the fact that you already own the E6400 and know how to OC makes it a no contest.:)

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

And lastly overpaying for faster RAM isnt worth it even if you want to OC.

Thinker_145

I didnt say that you shouldnt pay more for faster RAM but you shouldnt "overpay".Are you telling me that DDR2 1024 is worth it over DDR2 800 "if" it's overpriced?

There's a big difference for overpaying for faster memory and overpaying for certain brands of memory.

And what the **** is DDR2-1024? There's no memory with that speed.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

And lastly overpaying for faster RAM isnt worth it even if you want to OC.

Thompsonwhore

I didnt say that you shouldnt pay more for faster RAM but you shouldnt "overpay".Are you telling me that DDR2 1024 is worth it over DDR2 800 "if" it's overpriced?

There's a big difference for overpaying for faster memory and overpaying for certain brands of memory.

And what the **** is DDR2-1024? There's no memory with that speed.

Man just when everyone was happy with you not being around Thinker you have to grace us with your presence. Why cant the mod just ban this guy already.

Mods please ban the PC noob that thinks he knows everything, but in reality, is just a disturbance. Hes given some horrible advice to people on here and that is not what we want. We want to educate the masses, not give them misinformation.

And :lol: thinker the names are not cool enough. Thats the stpuidest thing I have heard, its almost quote worthy. ATI already went through the 7 series, 8 series and 9 series. So they already did the "cool" names. But I guess you wouldnt know that since youre new to the PC. But I thought you would have known that already, since you already know everything.

Once again people, dont look to this guy for advice, hes a PC noob and is steering people down the wrong path.
9mmSpliff

Please stop assuming things.

[QUOTE="Athonline"]

Sry for my english. I said that:

I 'm thinking about either:

a) Getting a new mobo(I got an old 945P Neo 3 from MSI, cz it costed like 120 last year over here and couldn't afford more) of 100 euros(that XFX 680i one) allongside with my new Kandalf Full Tower + a dozen of extra coolers + one Zulman cooler for CPU so I can OC my e6400 up to 3ghz(can do 2,5 to 2,7ghz atm bt temps are getting way high) and later on invest on a high end 9 series card.

or b)

Get one mobo with 780i, allongside with new RAMs(maybe 800Mhz then) + core 2 quad Q9450 + later in the summer a new gfx card(maybe 9600 or if I'm lucky a cheaper version of 9800. Again I'm buying that case with all the funs.

Overhere most things are overpriced(8800 GT is 400 to 500 dollars atm overhere) so I can't afford 9800 Gx2 + new mobo + new CPU at the same time. Cz the mobo allone will cost me 230 euros nt to metion that the cpu will cost like 300 euros.

I 'm rly confused since I was away from hardware(got into console gaming:P) bt now that I got a part time job at a local computers' store I got into pc gaming again(note Crysis looks great, I run the demo with nearly 25 to 30 FPS with all gfx at max that DX9 allow me to)

Thinker_145

And remember E6400 oced with a high end 9 series card>>>>>>>>>Q9450 with mid high end card.And the fact that you already own the E6400 and know how to OC makes it a no contest.:)

Ok, pretty much makes sence, just wondering if getting a quad now and w8 until next series comes out is better. Ofc I know how to OC, I said I was away for nearly a year from pc market, bt I didn't say I wasn't here at all:P. Thanks btw.

I am purely talking about from a business point of view.Go into system wars and everybody knows what an 8800 is but not many know what a 3870 is.I dont personally give a damn about whether my graphics card sounds coll or not but ATI losing dev support like valve is most probably because valve found out that the majority of steam users have nvidia graphics cards.Well atleast that's valve's reasoning behind it.

Cool names can have a big impact on the success of your product provided that the product is good to begin with ofcourse.Are you trying to deny that?

And FYI my ban had NOTHING to do with the way i post in the PC hardware forum.

Thinker_145

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I am purely talking about from a business point of view.Go into system wars and everybody knows what an 8800 is but not many know what a 3870 is.I dont personally give a damn about whether my graphics card sounds coll or not but ATI losing dev support like valve is most probably because valve found out that the majority of steam users have nvidia graphics cards.Well atleast that's valve's reasoning behind it.

Cool names can have a big impact on the success of your product provided that the product is good to begin with ofcourse.Are you trying to deny that?

And FYI my ban had NOTHING to do with the way i post in the PC hardware forum.

9mmSpliff

And didnt you see that valve went with "nvidia the way it's meant to be played" program.Previously valve games had "runs best with ATI".Obviously both of these things are not going to co-exist.

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

I am purely talking about from a business point of view.Go into system wars and everybody knows what an 8800 is but not many know what a 3870 is.I dont personally give a damn about whether my graphics card sounds coll or not but ATI losing dev support like valve is most probably because valve found out that the majority of steam users have nvidia graphics cards.Well atleast that's valve's reasoning behind it.

Cool names can have a big impact on the success of your product provided that the product is good to begin with ofcourse.Are you trying to deny that?

And FYI my ban had NOTHING to do with the way i post in the PC hardware forum.

Thinker_145

And didnt you see that valve went with "nvidia the way it's meant to be played" program.Previously valve games had "runs best with ATI".Obviously both of these things are not going to co-exist.

Its all going down to who is going to give more money to valve too have that stupid pub.

Have you not seen how many people have quoted you for the stupidest thing you have ever said.

Hey I never got mad at you for saying ATIs marketing sucked. I laughed at you for saying they dont use "cool" names. I could careless about their marketing. Yes nVidia is a marketing monster, but theyre marketing doesnt fully pay off when the ATI and nVidia market is near 50/50. ATI has a stronger following of ATI people then nVidia does, but you would have to be on Rage3d to see that.

I have never seen this "The Ways Its Mean to be Played" on any Source games. Did I miss something on the intro to HL2:E2? Its funny that they would do that, but offer Orange Box free tickets with the purchase of an ATI card.
9mmSpliff

You would see the nvidia logo with future games.Valve say that the reason for this is that their steam survey shows that the majority of steam users have nvidia cards.Ofcourse the real reason could be any other.

Ya i knew you didnt knew this.It happened very recently after the release of the orange box.You can search it up if you want to.

You would see the nvidia logo with future games.Valve say that the reason for this is that their steam survey shows that the majority of steam users have nvidia cards.Ofcourse the real reason could be any other.Thinker_145

Nvidia is paying for a couple of Valve's servers and also "probably" paid them some more cash for the ability to release "Portal: First Slice" or whatever it is called.

Valve did not drop anything ATi, nor did Valve "move to Nvidia's TWIWMTBP program," you might want to get your facts straight. By Nvidia paying for some servers, they get to advertise on the loading bar when you access that certain server.

Edit- Here is my proof.

Where do you see TWIWMTBP anywhere other than when you are downloading from that specific server?