Advice for starting up WoW Cataclysm???

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#1 snipergun2895
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i havent played in 2 months but I have a lvl 80 DK (total item lvl of 192... i no terrible) and lvl 40ish mage (both horde) on gorefiend. Anybody have any advice on what to do first when i get cata? (server changes, new faction char., instances i shuld run?...etc...)

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#2 snipergun2895
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actually its a 55 mage. and then i have a lvl 40 hunter on Thunderlord. the DK and Mage are on Gorefiend

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#3 snipergun2895
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bump

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#4 mattuk69
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I dont know what you want us to tell you? lvl a class you want to lvl its up to you.

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#5 ventnor
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There's a free 10 day trial of cata if you have WotLK, which you obviously do.

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#6 Twin-Blade
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If you're looking to get into WoW & be at the top of progression, my advice would be to quit/leave your job/school, enter public housing & jump onto welfare payments. Get rid of your friends, you don't need them! You'll have guildies anyway.

But seriously, it's the same WoW its been for 6 years now. Get to leveling, get to dungeon farming, get to heroic farming then get to raiding until the next expansion hits (or the PvP equivalent).

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#7 Animatronic64
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My advice: don't start it up.

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#8 DanielDust
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Sorry if this is not as helpful as the other peeps in this thread that post for attention and a + 1 at the post counter.

Get to leveling I guess, because the DK's ilevel is too low even for the best WotLK heroics :P. If you go as a tank, it'll be easier, since WoW in general is in need of tanks and you'll find dungeons and groups in general, faster, but DPS is good too, DK is one of the top melee DPS.

You start at Vashj'ir/Hyjal then Deepholme/Uldum and finally Twilight Highlands, dungeons, you just go for what's available, good gear drops in all of them.

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What do you like? PvP or PvE or both? If PvP, just roll a godamn feral druid or frost mage, because blizzard dont like hotfixing broken classes before recking an arena season. if you like PvE, DPS roll a ranged coz melee are getting screwed in the arse in raid fights.
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#10 ventnor
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My advice: don't start it up.

Animatronic64

Even though you said in a ton of threads that you never played it yet you still hate it.

Bandwagon, anyone?

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#11 Animatronic64
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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

My advice: don't start it up.

ventnor

Even though you said in a ton of threads that you never played it yet you still hate it.

Bandwagon, anyone?

Actually, I've stated that I put 5 hours into WoW, and that's all I'm going to give it. If I'm not having fun with a game within 1 hour - then **** that game.

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#12 ventnor
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[QUOTE="ventnor"]

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

My advice: don't start it up.

Animatronic64

Even though you said in a ton of threads that you never played it yet you still hate it.

Bandwagon, anyone?

Actually, I've stated that I put 5 hours into WoW, and that's all I'm going to give it. If I'm not having fun with a game within 1 hour - then **** that game.

5 hours? That's just about nothing in an MMO.

You could max have been somewhere near level 10.

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#13 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

[QUOTE="ventnor"]

Even though you said in a ton of threads that you never played it yet you still hate it.

Bandwagon, anyone?

ventnor

Actually, I've stated that I put 5 hours into WoW, and that's all I'm going to give it. If I'm not having fun with a game within 1 hour - then **** that game.

5 hours? That's just about nothing in an MMO.

You could max have been somewhere near level 10.

It's enough, wouldn't it be enough to see the menu of an FPS and be an expert? wouldn't you be able to be an expert in an RPG right after you customize your character then quit the game?

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#14 ionusX
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My advice: don't start it up.

Animatronic64

+1

i agree whole heartedly..

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#15 snipergun2895
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Sorry if this is not as helpful as the other peeps in this thread that post for attention and a + 1 at the post counter.

Get to leveling I guess, because the DK's ilevel is too low even for the best WotLK heroics :P. If you go as a tank, it'll be easier, since WoW in general is in need of tanks and you'll find dungeons and groups in general, faster, but DPS is good too, DK is one of the top melee DPS.

You start at Vashj'ir/Hyjal then Deepholme/Uldum and finally Twilight Highlands, dungeons, you just go for what's available, good gear drops in all of them.

DanielDust

nice, nice thanks. I never liked tanking for some reason...I don't have tanking gear anyway but thanks for the advice .

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What do you like? PvP or PvE or both? If PvP, just roll a godamn feral druid or frost mage, because blizzard dont like hotfixing broken classes before recking an arena season. if you like PvE, DPS roll a ranged coz melee are getting screwed in the arse in raid fights.Birdy09

I hear hunters are good now cuz they dont have magic. and something about infinite ammo? not sure but maybe ill just make a worgen hunter or somethin. :) Thaanks

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#17 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

My advice: don't start it up.

ionusX

+1

i agree whole heartedly..

Enough of these comments please. He just asked what to do in Cata, not if WoW is worth it or not. Some people like the game, others don't....
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[QUOTE="ventnor"]

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"] Actually, I've stated that I put 5 hours into WoW, and that's all I'm going to give it. If I'm not having fun with a game within 1 hour - then **** that game.

DanielDust

5 hours? That's just about nothing in an MMO.

You could max have been somewhere near level 10.

It's enough, wouldn't it be enough to see the menu of an FPS and be an expert? wouldn't you be able to be an expert in an RPG right after you customize your character then quit the game?

5 hours is enough to judge a limited aspect of combat, the graphics, the movement and how the menus are laid out. not 100% sure how leveling is nowadays, but im sure it is still somewhat similar to what it was like: where it introduced new aspects and features of the game as you progressed. im sure he has yet to experience any dungeons, any pvp battleground, any social features (ex: auction house), let alone actually see what his class is capable of and how its like to play the game when you have more than just a few basic skills to use. 5 hours is definitely not enough to really judge wow. i didnt see the point of wow for about 4 or so hours of gameplay, then began to see that the game became actually rewarding. but this is definitely not saying that people dont have the right to strongly dislike WoW and never play it again because its not their type of game, graphics are too bad to look past, game looks dumb, etc. the list can go on, but it wouldn't really seem like a well educated opinion when they have so much content that was never experienced (content that would really change their point of view on this game). inb4 'i watched videos on youtube and i dont like the raids/pvp'
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You are correct yellosnolvr: There are 2 ways to express: 1- I played WoW for like 10 hours but just couldn't get into it (like I did with Amnesia, just not my type of game). 2- I played WoW for only 4-5 hours and I can tell the WHOLE world that it sux and no one should play it. Which one do you think is more educated...?
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#20 Animatronic64
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]You are correct yellosnolvr: There are 2 ways to express: 1- I played WoW for like 10 hours but just couldn't get into it (like I did with Amnesia, just not my type of game). 2- I played WoW for only 4-5 hours and I can tell the WHOLE world that it sux and no one should play it. Which one do you think is more educated...?

I would prefer to be completely honest, and I am.
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#21 ionusX
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and then there are those of us who were treated horribly by blizzard customer support repetitively.. and werent really thrilled with the game after giving it a good 48 hours of my time (as a sum total)

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#22 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]You are correct yellosnolvr: There are 2 ways to express: 1- I played WoW for like 10 hours but just couldn't get into it (like I did with Amnesia, just not my type of game). 2- I played WoW for only 4-5 hours and I can tell the WHOLE world that it sux and no one should play it. Which one do you think is more educated...?

I would prefer to be completely honest, and I am.

You can be honest, no problems there, but don't tell other people NOT to play cause it's like cancer or something.... some people enjoy WoW, others don't.
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#23 FelipeInside
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and then there are those of us who were treated horribly by blizzard customer support repetitively.. and werent really thrilled with the game after giving it a good 48 hours of my time (as a sum total)

ionusX
So Blizz Cust Support is bad? I've never had to use it so that's why I am asking....
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#24 Animatronic64
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]You are correct yellosnolvr: There are 2 ways to express: 1- I played WoW for like 10 hours but just couldn't get into it (like I did with Amnesia, just not my type of game). 2- I played WoW for only 4-5 hours and I can tell the WHOLE world that it sux and no one should play it. Which one do you think is more educated...?

I would prefer to be completely honest, and I am.

You can be honest, no problems there, but don't tell other people NOT to play cause it's like cancer or something.... some people enjoy WoW, others don't.

I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not as if I'm forcing anyone to listen to me.
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#25 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"]I would prefer to be completely honest, and I am. Animatronic64
You can be honest, no problems there, but don't tell other people NOT to play cause it's like cancer or something.... some people enjoy WoW, others don't.

I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not as if I'm forcing anyone to listen to me.

I know you are not.... but playing a huge game like WoW for only 5 hours, you have barely touched the surface. Yet you go around saying it's a crap game and people shouldn't play it.
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#26 Animatronic64
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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] You can be honest, no problems there, but don't tell other people NOT to play cause it's like cancer or something.... some people enjoy WoW, others don't.FelipeInside
I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not as if I'm forcing anyone to listen to me.

I know you are not.... but playing a huge game like WoW for only 5 hours, you have barely touched the surface. Yet you go around saying it's a crap game and people shouldn't play it.

I say it's a game that I find boring, and not worth playing because I don't find it fun. Simple as that. I don't think I said it's crap anywhere. Well, maybe I have in the past, but not in here.

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#27 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"]I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not as if I'm forcing anyone to listen to me. Animatronic64

I know you are not.... but playing a huge game like WoW for only 5 hours, you have barely touched the surface. Yet you go around saying it's a crap game and people shouldn't play it.

I say it's a game that I find boring, and not worth playing because I don't find it fun. Simple as that. I don't think I said it's crap anywhere. Well, maybe I have in the past, but not in here.

Cool.... of course it comes down to personal taste. You only played 5 hours and find it boring, other people fall in love with it in 30 minutes. But by no means is it a CRAP game....
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#28 Animatronic64
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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I know you are not.... but playing a huge game like WoW for only 5 hours, you have barely touched the surface. Yet you go around saying it's a crap game and people shouldn't play it.FelipeInside

I say it's a game that I find boring, and not worth playing because I don't find it fun. Simple as that. I don't think I said it's crap anywhere. Well, maybe I have in the past, but not in here.

Cool.... of course it comes down to personal taste. You only played 5 hours and find it boring, other people fall in love with it in 30 minutes. But by no means is it a CRAP game....

I didn't say it was, did I?
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#29 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Animatronic64"]I say it's a game that I find boring, and not worth playing because I don't find it fun. Simple as that. I don't think I said it's crap anywhere. Well, maybe I have in the past, but not in here.

Animatronic64

Cool.... of course it comes down to personal taste. You only played 5 hours and find it boring, other people fall in love with it in 30 minutes. But by no means is it a CRAP game....

I didn't say it was, did I?

Yes, in the past you have....

but don't worry, it's our little secret....shhh, I won't tell anyone....

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#30 Animatronic64
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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Cool.... of course it comes down to personal taste. You only played 5 hours and find it boring, other people fall in love with it in 30 minutes. But by no means is it a CRAP game....FelipeInside
I didn't say it was, did I?

Yes, in the past you have....but don't worry, it's our little secret....shhh, I won't tell anyone....

You mean this:

"I would rather pay $50/60 for 10 hours of quality gameplay, and not 50 hours worth of spaming spells/attacks and doing ridiculous fetch quests. But to each his own."

And this:

"I can express my opinion however I please, and to me, WoW isn't the definition of quality. Also, I'm not telling you it's a fact. You can believe what you will, and I will say what I will... that just happens to be my personal view."

This too:

"I didn't say the whole game was ridiculous. I was referring to the fetch quests."

Besides that, I don't remember saying much else about the game.

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#31 FelipeInside
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yeah that about summarizes it..... hahahahahahaha
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Step 1: make a new character of one of the new races; goblin if youre horde, worgen if youre alliance (worgen are awesome!) and play it until your bored. Go to step 2

Step 2: take your level 80 to Mount Hyjal or Vashjir and play until bored. Take a break, and go to step 3

Step 3: repeat step 1 or step 2

Now, as for Vashjir or Mt. Hyjal...I found Mt. Hyjal to have better story and was pretty, but Vashjir has better gameplay and was downright gorgeous.

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You really know WOW and mmorpgs stink when you get into raiding and end game content and you see most guilds raid 3 days a week and 4 hours per day. It is a freaking job ...

and that is why I have posted many a time asking Blizzard and other companies to go to automatic 2 week or better yet 3 week lockouts for raids. They would not reset til the end of that period of time and it would give raid leaders a chance to have players carry a lighter load in terms of a raid schedule but funny thing is the raid leaders would still probably expect people to show up 9 days of the 3 weeks ... WOW community and mmorpg communities need to realize how sick they are in order for this type of gaming to improve and be more fun

DeViLzzz

Ive played WoW for over 5 years and have had great fun through it all and have never had to do any of the above.

You WoW haters sure love to preach that the negative minority of the game represents the majority. I guess only the bad aspects are the most fun to argue about; no one wants to hear about the millions of people that log on for an hour or two and bullcrap, quest, and pvp with their friends then log off and get on with their lives. No sir, youre either a diehard WoW player, or youre not :P

WoW is a great game because it is casual friendly; its fun for 30 minutes or 4 hours. There is no need to raid in such rediculous time frames, and those that chose to either A.) enjoy it, or B.) have personality issues that they cant keep in check.

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#35 rzepak
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If you have some gold, go to AH and buy some Cata gear becouse its not that expensive and makes your life easier. You will replace some of it by 83 but I think its still worth it especially for me since I like PvP and right now the difference between an 85 and an 83 for example is insane. Also the requirement for the first Cata dung is 233 if I remember correctly. Thats for your lvl80. Oh dont get scared when you see the xp needed for each level past 80 cause its huge, but leveling goes pretty fast. As for you lower level character I say leave it and make a new one cause the new 1-60 experiance is great and fast.

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#36 DanielDust
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Never, NEVER buy leveling gear, it's a waste of gold and you'll replace it in less than a few days. If you're rich (making money is pretty easy atm, I made like 280K gold in the last 3 weeks) you can spare yourself of some trouble and buy 85 epics, but it's still a waste.

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#37 mrbojangles25
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Never, NEVER buy leveling gear, it's a waste of gold and you'll replace it in less than a few days. If you're rich (making money is pretty easy atm, I made like 280K gold in the last 3 weeks) you can spare yourself of some trouble and buy 85 epics, but it's still a waste.

DanielDust

agreed lol, at least with the gear part. 80-83 go buy pretty fast, and by at least level 81 you will have all new gear, usually before then lol. Your first quest reward youre gonna look at it, see that its green, that it replaces your purple, and youre gonna be like "WOH! SWEET!" and the next thing you know your a paly tank with 80k health lol...at least I was.

But, please tell me...how did you make 280k gold in 3 weeks? Any guides, or just good know-how on your part?

I have an 80 DK that does herbalism and alchemy
An 80 Priest that does mining and tailoring
and an 80 Palladin that does mining and enchanting

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#38 DanielDust
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Using the professions, mining + prospecting and jewelcrafting. In short farming minerals :P since I also had an extra goal, finding the camel statue in Uldum (still I didn't get the rare camel yet, I only saw one statue and I wasn't lucky). After I had a decent amount I just bought cheap and sold at a higher price. Currently I have all the rare pets, all the extremely expensive mounts, hog, kirin tor ring, full on 24 slot bags and I just acquired the vial of sands, broke but I have nothing to buy anymore, except epics but I'll never do that :P.

You can use the alchemist tho, I don't have a high level one, they make money extremely easy through transmutations and high end elixirs, herbs sell really well too, but there are a lot of peeps gathering herbs, at least on my server so it might be hard to find them fast.

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Using the professions, mining + prospecting and jewelcrafting. In short farming minerals :P since I also had an extra goal, finding the camel statue in Uldum (still I didn't get the rare camel yet, I only saw one statue and I wasn't lucky). After I had a decent amount I just bought cheap and sold at a higher price. Currently I have all the rare pets, all the extremely expensive mounts, hog, kirin tor ring, full on 24 slot bags and I just acquired the vial of sands, broke but I have nothing to buy anymore, except epics but I'll never do that :P.

You can use the alchemist tho, I don't have a high level one, they make money extremely easy through transmutations and high end elixirs, herbs sell really well too, but there are a lot of peeps gathering herbs, at least on my server so it might be hard to find them fast.

DanielDust

omg you got the vial of sands? Thats a bill of like 27k gold just for the materials, cant imagine how much it retails for lol.

I was all set to go for that with my alchemist, but then I realized its such a PITA to get, why bother. I'm not diehard enough to get that stuff

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You really know WOW and mmorpgs stink when you get into raiding and end game content and you see most guilds raid 3 days a week and 4 hours per day. It is a freaking job ...

and that is why I have posted many a time asking Blizzard and other companies to go to automatic 2 week or better yet 3 week lockouts for raids. They would not reset til the end of that period of time and it would give raid leaders a chance to have players carry a lighter load in terms of a raid schedule but funny thing is the raid leaders would still probably expect people to show up 9 days of the 3 weeks ... WOW community and mmorpg communities need to realize how sick they are in order for this type of gaming to improve and be more fun

DeViLzzz

Except you don't need to do that what so ever to progress.. You can be in lax guilds that only raids a few times a week only for a hour or two each time.. IN fact Blizzard made a few raids and dungeons exactly for that purpose..

Yet again your talking about a play style of a person you don't need to play with.. Yes there are quite a bit of immature people.. That to me is one of the worse aspects of the game, but its something you can cope with by not choosing to join those type of guilds, and avoiding the forums.. Its a unfortunate side effect for being so popular.. But yet again you don't need to do that..

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Using the professions, mining + prospecting and jewelcrafting. In short farming minerals :P since I also had an extra goal, finding the camel statue in Uldum (still I didn't get the rare camel yet, I only saw one statue and I wasn't lucky). After I had a decent amount I just bought cheap and sold at a higher price. Currently I have all the rare pets, all the extremely expensive mounts, hog, kirin tor ring, full on 24 slot bags and I just acquired the vial of sands, broke but I have nothing to buy anymore, except epics but I'll never do that :P.

You can use the alchemist tho, I don't have a high level one, they make money extremely easy through transmutations and high end elixirs, herbs sell really well too, but there are a lot of peeps gathering herbs, at least on my server so it might be hard to find them fast.

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omg you got the vial of sands? Thats a bill of like 27k gold just for the materials, cant imagine how much it retails for lol.

I was all set to go for that with my alchemist, but then I realized its such a PITA to get, why bother. I'm not diehard enough to get that stuff

Just need to be patient and do arch every so often.. My 78 DK is already at 450 of it.. Though I have to admit its crap the things I got.. Blizzard seriously needs to rethink the reward system involved in arch..

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

Using the professions, mining + prospecting and jewelcrafting. In short farming minerals :P since I also had an extra goal, finding the camel statue in Uldum (still I didn't get the rare camel yet, I only saw one statue and I wasn't lucky). After I had a decent amount I just bought cheap and sold at a higher price. Currently I have all the rare pets, all the extremely expensive mounts, hog, kirin tor ring, full on 24 slot bags and I just acquired the vial of sands, broke but I have nothing to buy anymore, except epics but I'll never do that :P.

You can use the alchemist tho, I don't have a high level one, they make money extremely easy through transmutations and high end elixirs, herbs sell really well too, but there are a lot of peeps gathering herbs, at least on my server so it might be hard to find them fast.

sSubZerOo

omg you got the vial of sands? Thats a bill of like 27k gold just for the materials, cant imagine how much it retails for lol.

I was all set to go for that with my alchemist, but then I realized its such a PITA to get, why bother. I'm not diehard enough to get that stuff

Just need to be patient and do arch every so often.. My 78 DK is already at 450 of it.. Though I have to admit its crap the things I got.. Blizzard seriously needs to rethink the reward system involved in arch..

I spent an hour doing arch, got the troll item, found out it was a grey-level voodoo doll worth like 10s...and gave up on it lol.

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You really know WOW and mmorpgs stink when you get into raiding and end game content and you see most guilds raid 3 days a week and 4 hours per day. It is a freaking job ...

and that is why I have posted many a time asking Blizzard and other companies to go to automatic 2 week or better yet 3 week lockouts for raids. They would not reset til the end of that period of time and it would give raid leaders a chance to have players carry a lighter load in terms of a raid schedule but funny thing is the raid leaders would still probably expect people to show up 9 days of the 3 weeks ... WOW community and mmorpg communities need to realize how sick they are in order for this type of gaming to improve and be more fun

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Ive played WoW for over 5 years and have had great fun through it all and have never had to do any of the above.

You WoW haters sure love to preach that the negative minority of the game represents the majority. I guess only the bad aspects are the most fun to argue about; no one wants to hear about the millions of people that log on for an hour or two and bullcrap, quest, and pvp with their friends then log off and get on with their lives. No sir, youre either a diehard WoW player, or youre not :P

WoW is a great game because it is casual friendly; its fun for 30 minutes or 4 hours. There is no need to raid in such rediculous time frames, and those that chose to either A.) enjoy it, or B.) have personality issues that they cant keep in check.

I doubt that is the case, you defend this game like it is releated to you.

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="DeViLzzz"]

You really know WOW and mmorpgs stink when you get into raiding and end game content and you see most guilds raid 3 days a week and 4 hours per day. It is a freaking job ...

and that is why I have posted many a time asking Blizzard and other companies to go to automatic 2 week or better yet 3 week lockouts for raids. They would not reset til the end of that period of time and it would give raid leaders a chance to have players carry a lighter load in terms of a raid schedule but funny thing is the raid leaders would still probably expect people to show up 9 days of the 3 weeks ... WOW community and mmorpg communities need to realize how sick they are in order for this type of gaming to improve and be more fun

Advid-Gamer

Ive played WoW for over 5 years and have had great fun through it all and have never had to do any of the above.

You WoW haters sure love to preach that the negative minority of the game represents the majority. I guess only the bad aspects are the most fun to argue about; no one wants to hear about the millions of people that log on for an hour or two and bullcrap, quest, and pvp with their friends then log off and get on with their lives. No sir, youre either a diehard WoW player, or youre not :P

WoW is a great game because it is casual friendly; its fun for 30 minutes or 4 hours. There is no need to raid in such rediculous time frames, and those that chose to either A.) enjoy it, or B.) have personality issues that they cant keep in check.

I doubt that is the case, you defend this game like it is releated to you.

naw lol, its not related to me :P I just get sick of people bashing it; its bandwagoning at its worst. I don't know a single person that suffers from WoW addiction, and I know a good amount of folks that play.

trust me...of all the MMOs out there, WoW is the easiest to play in moderation and small amounts.