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#1 enriK233
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AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail

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Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400 - Retail

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#2 PanDa_Gaming
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AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail

or

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400 - Retail

enriK233

Since it's Intel Core 2 Duo then you should get AMD Phenom II X3 :)

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#3 enriK233
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[QUOTE="enriK233"]

AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail

or

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400 - Retail

PanDa_Gaming

Since it's Intel Core 2 Duo then you should get AMD Phenom II X3 :)

I don't understand . they are the same price

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#4 PanDa_Gaming
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[QUOTE="PanDa_Gaming"]

[QUOTE="enriK233"]

AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail

or

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400 - Retail

enriK233

Since it's Intel Core 2 Duo then you should get AMD Phenom II X3 :)

I don't understand . they are the same price

Well yeah but Intel Core 2 Duo has 2 cores and Amd Phenom has 3 cores and it's more powerful.

Amd Phenom 8,4 ghz in total

Core 2 Duo 5,6 ghz in total

Do you understand now? :D

Higher ghz is faster.

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#6 PanDa_Gaming
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they are the same ghz. do you need glasses?

enriK233

JEEZ OMFG that 2,8 ghz is speed of ONE core

.... So calculate omfg...

Intel Core 2 duo has one core speed of 2,8ghz 2,8x2 = 5,4ghz

Amd phenom 2,8ghz 2,8x3= 8,4ghz

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW!?!?!? ....

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#7 beefdog
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Yea panda...it doesent work that way....2.8ghz is across all cores.........that doesent make it 8.4ghz...its still 2.8.

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#8 PanDa_Gaming
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Yea panda...it doesent work that way....2.8ghz is across all cores.........that doesent make it 8.4ghz...its still 2.8.

beefdog

... It is 2,8ghz of each core... so u can put em together actually

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#9 --Anna--
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[QUOTE="beefdog"]

Yea panda...it doesent work that way....2.8ghz is across all cores.........that doesent make it 8.4ghz...its still 2.8.

PanDa_Gaming

... It is 2,8ghz of each core... so u can put em together actually

It just doesn't work like that !

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#10 PanDa_Gaming
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[QUOTE="PanDa_Gaming"]

[QUOTE="beefdog"]

Yea panda...it doesent work that way....2.8ghz is across all cores.........that doesent make it 8.4ghz...its still 2.8.

--Anna--

... It is 2,8ghz of each core... so u can put em together actually

It just doesn't work like that !

Whatever... just tried to explain, newbs.

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#12 beefdog
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[QUOTE="--Anna--"]

[QUOTE="PanDa_Gaming"]

... It is 2,8ghz of each core... so u can put em together actually

PanDa_Gaming

It just doesn't work like that !

Whatever... just tried to explain, newbs.

Rofl!! I hope your joking

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#13 PanDa_Gaming
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stfu noob. stop acting like you know stuff

enriK233

Why did you ask then.. n00b ch00b

I quit this newb thread now, bye, thx for posts n3wbi3

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#14 cs45F
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[QUOTE="beefdog"]

[QUOTE="PanDa_Gaming"]

[QUOTE="--Anna--"]It just doesn't work like that !

Whatever... just tried to explain, newbs.

Rofl!! I hope your joking

its 2.8 total not 2 cores each at 2.8 you dont add them together to get your total speed.
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#15 --Anna--
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AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail

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Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400 - Retail

enriK233

To answer your question...I would go with the AMD: http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/amd-phenom-2-720-810-920-p1.html

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#16 strider_ATI
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Go with the Phenom 2
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#17 cs45F
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Its hard to compare cpus that have 3 cores because the only company that makes them is AMD so if your under a quad core the x3 is the way to go.
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#18 pureskull123
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Dont be so cheap, borrow 30 bucks more from anyone and get the quad core AMD 940.

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#19 teddyrob
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AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail

or

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400 - Retail

enriK233

Phenom II X3. More cores more CPU POWER.

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#20 Chris_53
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AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail

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Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400 - Retail

enriK233
amd phenom 2 am3
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#21 broken_bass_bin
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[QUOTE="enriK233"]

stfu noob. stop acting like you know stuff

PanDa_Gaming

Why did you ask then.. n00b ch00b

I quit this newb thread now, bye, thx for posts n3wbi3

shush

yes go for the Phenom

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#22 powerwolff
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Dont be so cheap, borrow 30 bucks more from anyone and get the quad core AMD 940.

pureskull123
^ This... or just go with the Phenom you picked out :)
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#23 marcthpro
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if you ask more power : E7500 : If you say which is stronger then Phenom II X3 3.6/3,7Ghz OC : Not OC : E7500 in most of game
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/05/11/overclocking-amd-s-phenom-ii-x3-720-be/6
But id go with Phenom II X3 720 since you can't get a X4 920 / 940

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#25 pure89
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phenom x3 is better

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#26 KhanhAgE
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[QUOTE="enriK233"]

stfu noob. stop acting like you know stuff

IvanElk

He was the only one in the above that actually knew something. You are an idiot. You are comparing a dual core with EACH SEPERATE CORE RUNNING AT 2.8GHZ so that is basically 2.8x2 to a TRIPLE CORE PROCESSOR where there are THREE CORES so it is 2.8x3.... You are comparing 2.8x3 to 2.8x2. Use some logic and get the AMD I do have to warn you that if you are this stupid you might not want to build a computer you might shock the cpu just taking it out of the package.

I think you better re-read panDa's post carefully, before you go off insulting enrik233 for being stupid. If you look at panDa's second post, you can see that he was multiplying the clock speed by the number of cores, which is he how he got a clock speed of 5.6GHz (2.8Ghz x 2 = 5.6GHz) for the E7400 (and 8.4GHz for the Phenom X3 720). And that is just totally wrong. And no he was not comparing 3 cores at 2.8GHz versus 2 cores at 2.8GHz, he was multiplying them.

(And that last part of your sentence. Not on)

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#27 Slig0
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you might shock the cpu just taking it out of the package.

All right, even the OP has to admit that this was funny :D. Anyway, you guys, panda and this one, are really incredibly wrong. First, if you have a quad core that works on 1.5GHz, it would be 6.0, right? But if you use a single core that works on 3.0, it will be much faster in single threaded applications. So basically, if you use only single threaded apps you will be better off with a higher clocked single core (that was only an example, I know that nowdays singles are not even an option and that there are quads up to 3.3) And you cannot compare just clocks. You need to compare the onboard memory controler, such as AMD's HyperTransport or Intel's QuickPathInterconnect, which are very close in bandwidth. Then goes superior architecture, which CPU can run at lower voltage and less heat and so on. So you guys are actually newbies in this. Sorry :(

PS: As for your question, I think that the 720 should compare to (since Intel does not produce triples) to either Q9300 or E8x00. So, I do not know why are you even putting the E7xxx into consideration. Do not just watch what price are components, because that way you are always going to be wrong. That is because Intel has much higher pricing than AMD. And it is not because AMD CPU's are worser or because AMD is generous and nice, it is because AMD is having a hard time recovering from the Core2 era, where Intel literaly destroyed them... Now they are about even, although chips such as EX975, 960, 950, 940 and QX9750 remain untouchable (for that price segment, even though AMD's Phenom II 955 is a nice competitor to I7's), AMD is now back in the game and is a worthy second largest chipmaker in the world. Chose whatever you want.

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#28 broken_bass_bin
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[QUOTE="enriK233"]

stfu noob. stop acting like you know stuff

IvanElk

He was the only one in the above that actually knew something. You are an idiot. You are comparing a dual core with EACH SEPERATE CORE RUNNING AT 2.8GHZ so that is basically 2.8x2 to a TRIPLE CORE PROCESSOR where there are THREE CORES so it is 2.8x3.... You are comparing 2.8x3 to 2.8x2. Use some logic and get the AMD. I do have to warn you that if you are this stupid you might not want to build a computer you might shock the cpu just taking it out of the package.

Stop talking. It doesn't work like that.

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hey this is one crazy thread with guys multiplying clock speeds with number of cores.enrikk, there are currently almost no applications optimised for tricore.either go with a two cores or four cores.two cored processors for today or four cored processors for the future.I also saw a benchmark test where core 2 duos (e800's) beating phenom x3's in most applications.so i think e700's should have more or less the same performance of phenom x3's

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#31 markop2003
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[QUOTE="enriK233"]

[QUOTE="PanDa_Gaming"]

Since it's Intel Core 2 Duo then you should get AMD Phenom II X3 :)

PanDa_Gaming

I don't understand . they are the same price

Well yeah but Intel Core 2 Duo has 2 cores and Amd Phenom has 3 cores and it's more powerful.

Amd Phenom 8,4 ghz in total

Core 2 Duo 5,6 ghz in total

Do you understand now? :D

Higher ghz is faster.

You can't add up frequencies like that, that's not how it works
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#32 Daytona_178
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you might shock the cpu just taking it out of the package.

All right, even the OP has to admit that this was funny :D. Anyway, you guys, panda and this one, are really incredibly wrong. First, if you have a quad core that works on 1.5GHz, it would be 6.0, right? But if you use a single core that works on 3.0, it will be much faster in single threaded applications. So basically, if you use only single threaded apps you will be better off with a higher clocked single core (that was only an example, I know that nowdays singles are not even an option and that there are quads up to 3.3) And you cannot compare just clocks. You need to compare the onboard memory controler, such as AMD's HyperTransport or Intel's QuickPathInterconnect, which are very close in bandwidth. Then goes superior architecture, which CPU can run at lower voltage and less heat and so on. So you guys are actually newbies in this. Sorry :(

PS: As for your question, I think that the 720 should compare to (since Intel does not produce triples) to either Q9300 or E8x00. So, I do not know why are you even putting the E7xxx into consideration. Do not just watch what price are components, because that way you are always going to be wrong. That is because Intel has much higher pricing than AMD. And it is not because AMD CPU's are worser or because AMD is generous and nice, it is because AMD is having a hard time recovering from the Core2 era, where Intel literaly destroyed them... Now they are about even, although chips such as EX975, 960, 950, 940 and QX9750 remain untouchable (for that price segment, even though AMD's Phenom II 955 is a nice competitor to I7's), AMD is now back in the game and is a worthy second largest chipmaker in the world. Chose whatever you want.

Cheers

Slig0
Its kinda funny i think, AMD has only just managed to become a decent contender now since the Core2 architecture came out and now Intel is about to bring the i5 out to replace the Core2.......looks bad for AMD for another few years from where iam sitting!
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#33 shred
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One thing that has been seriously overlooked in this comparison, is the amount of cache available. The Intel has 3MB L2 cache available, while the AMD has 6MB L3. Another thing you need to consider is how many programs are really going to utilize three cores.

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#34 Slig0
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hey this is one crazy thread with guys multiplying clock speeds with number of cores.enrikk, there are currently almost no applications optimised for tricore.either go with a two cores or four cores.two cored processors for today or four cored processors for the future.I also saw a benchmark test where core 2 duos (e800's) beating phenom x3's in most applications.so i think e700's should have more or less the same performance of phenom x3's

onfire23

You are actually crazy. Because Phenom X3 is slower than any Core2's, but the new Phenom ***II*** actually blow all Core2 Duo's into the water. So stop talking when you are uninformed and live in the stone age. I guess you haven't even heard of I7.

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#35 markop2003
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One thing that has been seriously overlooked in this comparison, is the amount of cache available. The Intel has 3MB L2 cache available, while the AMD has 6MB L3. Another thing you need to consider is how many programs are really going to utilize three cores.

shred
You don't have to utilize all of them with he same progam though, PCs usually run hundreds of background threads for instance whilst typing this message i'm running 628 threads (viewable via PC wizard), steam by itself runs 33 threads, xfire runs 10. The fact that your game can't run on three cores dosn't matter so much as the game can have 2 completely to itself and everything else can take the one remaining core. Usually this wouldn't effect performance much but it really depends what you're doing in the background such as steam's new built in web browser, fraps, teamspeak ect.
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#36 joshuahaveron
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I can see where panda was coming from, multiplying the core speeds to get a total speed, but it doesn't work like that, but I can see where he was comnig from. I would reccommend the amd though, as the extra core could come in useful, or I would reccomend paying a bit more for a quad like a 940. :D

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#38 darx55
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[QUOTE="enriK233"]

stfu noob. stop acting like you know stuff

IvanElk
He was the only one in the above that actually knew something. You are an idiot. You are comparing a dual core with EACH SEPERATE CORE RUNNING AT 2.8GHZ so that is basically 2.8x2 to a TRIPLE CORE PROCESSOR where there are THREE CORES so it is 2.8x3.... You are comparing 2.8x3 to 2.8x2. Use some logic and get the AMD. I do have to warn you that if you are this stupid you might not want to build a computer you might shock the cpu just taking it out of the package.

another fool giving false information,to make it short:shut the hell up if you don't know what you're talking about,you don't add them up just like that,each core operates at a frequency,and that's it
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#39 darx55
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and to the topic guy:even if that amd has an extra core,the intel is faster clock per clock,so you will be better off with that intel cpu
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#40 Slig0
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Lol Intel is faster clock for clock... When was that? In 2006 maybe? Jeez, you guys need to stop living in the past. AMD has thrown ore2 into the water now. It is I7 that is giving them trouble snow. Gosh I hate stupid and uninfromed people.

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#41 markop2003
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Lol Intel is faster clock for clock... When was that? In 2006 maybe? Jeez, you guys need to stop living in the past. AMD has thrown ore2 into the water now. It is I7 that is giving them trouble snow. Gosh I hate stupid and uninfromed people.

Slig0
Well he is sorta right but it only applies to those of the same number of cores and same generation, ie C2D > X2 and I7>Phenom2 Quad
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#42 darx55
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Lol Intel is faster clock for clock... When was that? In 2006 maybe? Jeez, you guys need to stop living in the past. AMD has thrown ore2 into the water now. It is I7 that is giving them trouble snow. Gosh I hate stupid and uninfromed people.

Slig0

lol..the misinformed is you mate..seefor yourself..

edit:next time do some research before calling other people stupid..

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#43 Recontrooper
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[QUOTE="darx55"]

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

Lol Intel is faster clock for clock... When was that? In 2006 maybe? Jeez, you guys need to stop living in the past. AMD has thrown ore2 into the water now. It is I7 that is giving them trouble snow. Gosh I hate stupid and uninfromed people.

lol..the misinformed is you mate..seefor yourself..

edit:next time do some research before calling other people stupid..

I think he already agreed the core 2 duos were faster than the athlon x2. He is saying the newer triple and quad cores are on paar in clock speed.
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#44 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="--Anna--"]

[QUOTE="PanDa_Gaming"]

... It is 2,8ghz of each core... so u can put em together actually

PanDa_Gaming

It just doesn't work like that !

Whatever... just tried to explain, newbs.

Ignorance is bliss.
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#45 IvanElk
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[QUOTE="IvanElk"][QUOTE="enriK233"]

stfu noob. stop acting like you know stuff

darx55
He was the only one in the above that actually knew something. You are an idiot. You are comparing a dual core with EACH SEPERATE CORE RUNNING AT 2.8GHZ so that is basically 2.8x2 to a TRIPLE CORE PROCESSOR where there are THREE CORES so it is 2.8x3.... You are comparing 2.8x3 to 2.8x2. Use some logic and get the AMD. I do have to warn you that if you are this stupid you might not want to build a computer you might shock the cpu just taking it out of the package.

another fool giving false information,to make it short:shut the hell up if you don't know what you're talking about,you don't add them up just like that,each core operates at a frequency,and that's it

Look bud I didn't want to confuse the guy but there are tons of differences but the guy is already mind set they are the same price so they are the same I am keeping it basic for him. They both operate on most of the same technology. But the ability to have an extra core to help the work load. Notice in my post how I didn't say 2.8x3= 8.4 it is because it doesn't they are separate cores which can each take on the processes needed for a computer. Thus having an extra one running will allow your computer to take on more work. Before you just go after me like that maybe you should hear me out. I do know what I am talking about I do build computers and I have a clue about how this stuff works. I still would go with the AMD over intel even though I tend to be a diehard intel fan. You will future proof yourself as well as the cooler that comes with it is better but he has yet to tell us if he is going aftermarket or not and tends to be better for OCing (I currently run an 8200 quad at 3.6ghz stably).
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[QUOTE="Slig0"]

Lol Intel is faster clock for clock... When was that? In 2006 maybe? Jeez, you guys need to stop living in the past. AMD has thrown ore2 into the water now. It is I7 that is giving them trouble snow. Gosh I hate stupid and uninfromed people.

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Well he is sorta right but it only applies to those of the same number of cores and same generation, ie C2D > X2 and I7>Phenom2 Quad

There we go Mark has a clue. Your comparing apples and oranges. It just so happens oranges are a little sweeter then the apples.
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#47 Slig0
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He actually compared a brand new 720 with E7xxx series, so he is *I do not want to get a moderation*. That means that my 955 CPU, currently the AMD flagship, is actually only able to beat E7xx and lower in dual threaded apps. Wth???

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#48 Slig0
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[QUOTE="darx55"]

[QUOTE="Slig0"]

Lol Intel is faster clock for clock... When was that? In 2006 maybe? Jeez, you guys need to stop living in the past. AMD has thrown ore2 into the water now. It is I7 that is giving them trouble snow. Gosh I hate stupid and uninfromed people.

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lol..the misinformed is you mate..seefor yourself..

edit:next time do some research before calling other people stupid..

I think he already agreed the core 2 duos were faster than the athlon x2. He is saying the newer triple and quad cores are on paar in clock speed.

That's right mate. Core2 is superior to Athlon in every way (except that it doesn't have an integrated memory controler), but saying that the oldish and "green" E7xxx series can outperform the PII flagship series clock for clock is ignorant and fanboy-like. I don't need any research from such uninformed people.

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#49 IvanElk
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[QUOTE="Recontrooper"][QUOTE="darx55"] lol..the misinformed is you mate..seefor yourself..

edit:next time do some research before calling other people stupid..

Slig0

I think he already agreed the core 2 duos were faster than the athlon x2. He is saying the newer triple and quad cores are on paar in clock speed.

That's right mate. Core2 is superior to Athlon in every way (except that it doesn't have an integrated memory controler), but saying that the oldish and "green" E7xxx series can outperform the PII flagship series clock for clock is ignorant and fanboy-like. I don't need any research from such uninformed people.

Ya that is right that intel dual core would beat the amd dual core but it is a triple core putting it in a whole other league. No way is that intel better then the AMD.
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#50 mattpunkgd
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Ya that panda guy doesn't know anything. I would get the AMD though because you might be able to unlock the fourth core and make it a quad core.