An ATI PC Equivalent To The Xbox 360 GPU??

Looks like I'm forced to upgrade my CrossFire sytem because it is barely able to run a game my little cousin wants to play. Right now I'm running two X1650XT's and I'm actually shocked thatthey can't run max settings on games like TrackMania United. He wants to play Dirt, and althought my SLI system can handle this game, I refuse to let anyoneelse use it. Even on minimal settings, the CrossFire rig still have framerate issues.

So, my question is which ATI PC card is equal to what's in the Xbox 360? Also, is the Xbox version of Dirt dumbed down, and would I be able to run this game on max settings with the 360 equivalent? Thanks!

A quick google search tells me its the X1800XT, no idea how accurate that is though :)

What are the rest of your specs? I take it you dont mean the PC in your sig?

I'm not sure about the ATi equivalent, but nVidia claims that it's 8700m is better than the Xenos.blurb1324

With this sytem, I'd just like to match up ATI chipsets with ATI cards. Wouldn't the X1950XT be an equal?

A quick google search tells me its the X1800XT, no idea how accurate that is though :)

What are the rest of your specs? I take it you dont mean the PC in your sig?

skinnypete91

I have two systems. My old one is a CrossFire rig that I allow younger relatives to use when they visit. It was my main game system until I desired something that can be a console replacement. So I built an nVidia game rig. I found that for the same price, I can get superior performance cards.

Anyway, I have a CrossFire motherboard, but I figure with a high end single card, I won't need to use both PCI-E slots for the games which are installed onto it. The CPU is an Athlon 64 3800+. The only problem I am facing is that if I go back to a single card, the slave PCI-E bus on the motherboard requires a switch card to change the master slot to an x16 from x8. Yeah, I know this is retarded. When in CrossFire, the two PCI-E slots revert to x8. Even more retarded is that I tossed the switch card. I contacted MSI and requsted a replacement. The card should arrive sometime next week and that is the time I'll pick up a new GPU.

Considering that the Xenos chip is a fully unified architecture and shares some other DirectX 10 features (even if it itself is not 100% DirectX 10 compliant), I would be more inclined to say that the HD 2900XT is the way to go if you want Xbox 360-like performance and graphics.codezer0

I dont get were you find that the 360 GPU has DX10 features. I would like a link because everytime i ask i never get one.

[QUOTE="codezer0"]Considering that the Xenos chip is a fully unified architecture and shares some other DirectX 10 features (even if it itself is not 100% DirectX 10 compliant), I would be more inclined to say that the HD 2900XT is the way to go if you want Xbox 360-like performance and graphics.Killfox

I dont get were you find that the 360 GPU has DX10 features. I would like a link because everytime i ask i never get one.

P.S i will laugh at anyone who disagree might said " OHH YA!!! everything on VISTA cant be done on XP. "

Xenos = x1900/50xt unified pipeline with Dx10 features.

ATI tested out their Dx10 structure and unified pipes on the Xenos. Think of it as a Dx9.5 card. Has some features of Dx10 built into it, but since there is no written driver and it would be damn near impossible, the Xenos will not be able to make use of its Dx10 features.

But this is why the 360 does not need full Dx10. The Xbox360 has unique features including memory export that can enable DX10-class functionality such as stream-out. So the system doesnt need Dx10, it can replicate it.

I just talked to a technician at my job and he said the 2000 series is basically the same as the 1000 series but with DX10 and HD compatibility and a little more power. He also said the Xbox GPU would probably be equal to the X1950XT since ATI released the X1950XT shortly after the Xbox 360 was launched and if ATI used a X2900XT type GPU in the 360, they would've released a GPU similar in power to the X2900XT in place of the X1950XT.

I've decided to go with a singleX2900XT. That should be enough to run any game at max (or close to) settings.

I just talked to a technician at my job and he said the 2000 series is basically the same as the 1000 series but with DX10 and HD compatibility and a little more power. He also said the Xbox GPU would probably be equal to the X1950XT since ATI released the X1950XT shortly after the Xbox 360 was launched and if ATI used a X2900XT type GPU in the 360, they would've released a GPU similar in power to the X2900XT in place of the X1950XT.

I've decided to go with a singleX2900XT. That should be enough to run any game at max (or close to) settings.

Snaptrap

This so called tech at youre work is a retard the HD in the HD2900XT has nothing to do with the card. its a marketing scheme. all video cards can run HD Videos and decode h.264 (or what ever the number is) and the 2000 seeries is nothing like the 1000 seeries because the 2000 seeries uses a unified arcitecture and the 1000 seeries was still on the pixel pipeline thing. the tech at youre work is clueless.

Considering that the Xenos chip is a fully unified architecture and shares some other DirectX 10 features (even if it itself is not 100% DirectX 10 compliant), I would be more inclined to say that the HD 2900XT is the way to go if you want Xbox 360-like performance and graphics.

1950XTX will eat xenos for breakfast and dont get me started on the 2900XT, dont even use xenos and 2900xt in the same sentence please.

1950XTX will eat xenos for breakfast and dont get me started on the 2900XT, dont even use xenos and 2900xt in the same sentence please.deniiiii21

And you need DirectX 10 hardware to run DirectX 10 games that way. So yea, you do need an HD 2900 if you want to run at the level of an Xbox 360, with a GPU powerful enough to match it in running @ 1080p.

[QUOTE="deniiiii21"]1950XTX will eat xenos for breakfast and dont get me started on the 2900XT, dont even use xenos and 2900xt in the same sentence please.codezer0

And you need DirectX 10 hardware to run DirectX 10 games that way. So yea, you do need an HD 2900 if you want to run at the level of an Xbox 360, with a GPU powerful enough to match it in running @ 1080p.

The xbox 360 doesn't even use a direct X API. They have similarities, but the xenos is about as powerful from a hardware perspective as an x1800xt.The xenosdoes support a few things that are unique to directX 10, such as unified shaders, but it is by no means directX 10.

However, to get the same performance as a xenos, you need more recent hardware, due to PC game code being less optimized than a console game. This is due to the wide variety of hardware settings game developers must optimize the game to run on. They also have to deal with system resources taken up by the Windows Operating System and background tasks, such as virus protection, networking processes, etc.

One last thing to say, PC games have higher quality graphics (or are capable of) than their console counterparts. This usually consists of nothing more than farther draw distances, higher resolution textures (due to the larger amount of memory), and effect density.

To run dirt at 1080p on a pc you probably will need an x1950xtx / 7900gtx or better. Keep in mind though that the xbox 360 version of the game has reported stuttering issues when there are alot of cars on screen, so the hd 2900xt will run it better than a xenos.

im gonna say it doesnt matter cuz theyre optimized :P

am i stupid? yes. did i mis the point? yes.

[QUOTE="Snaptrap"]

I just talked to a technician at my job and he said the 2000 series is basically the same as the 1000 series but with DX10 and HD compatibility and a little more power. He also said the Xbox GPU would probably be equal to the X1950XT since ATI released the X1950XT shortly after the Xbox 360 was launched and if ATI used a X2900XT type GPU in the 360, they would've released a GPU similar in power to the X2900XT in place of the X1950XT.

I've decided to go with a singleX2900XT. That should be enough to run any game at max (or close to) settings.

hofuldig

This so called tech at youre work is a retard the HD in the HD2900XT has nothing to do with the card. its a marketing scheme. all video cards can run HD Videos and decode h.264 (or what ever the number is) and the 2000 seeries is nothing like the 1000 seeries because the 2000 series uses a unified arcitecture and the 1000 seeries was still on the pixel pipeline thing. the tech at youre work is clueless.

Yeah, well I work at Geek Squad so that probably explains alot. LOL! Then again, he could be refering to performance equals as the unified architecture only looks great on paper.The performance levels of the X1650XT are very similar to the HD2600XT. When it comes to games, the benchmarks are a heck of a lot more important than they are with 3DMark Pro.

I just got back into the PC gaming scene and the only cards I know a fair bit about are the 8800GTX and the X1650XT.

[QUOTE="deniiiii21"]1950XTX will eat xenos for breakfast and dont get me started on the 2900XT, dont even use xenos and 2900xt in the same sentence please.codezer0

And you need DirectX 10 hardware to run DirectX 10 games that way. So yea, you do need an HD 2900 if you want to run at the level of an Xbox 360, with a GPU powerful enough to match it in running @ 1080p.

Those are directx 9 games...

And also, the 360 runs "most" games at 720p, and then uses an upscaler to bump the image up or down as required.

It can't do most of its games (e.g. Gears) at 1080p with acceptable performance.

Those are directx 9 games...Gog

Some of those games have DX10 patches although none apply to the Xbox 360 versions.

There is so much wrong info in here, its absolutely retarded. *shakes head*

ATI tested out Unified Pipelines and Dx10 features on the GPU (Xenos). Yes they did, even though the 360 uses its own API, ATI still tested out these features on the 360. It equals around a x1900xt/50xt.

360 does not need full Dx10, cause of its own API. The Xbox360 has unique features including memory export that can enable DX10-type functionality such as stream-out. So the system doesnt need Dx10, it can replicate it with its own API. But that does not mean that the Xenos does not have the features, which they do (Unified/Dx10 features). Its just impossible to write a code for it, cause of M$'s API and that Dx10 is a Windows Vista exclusive and it couldnt be written into the API and M$'s O/S.

So it doesnt use Dx10, cause it uses its own API.

Except that a lot of the "new features" in DirectX 10 and a lot of what got replaced in DX10 (from DX9c) all came from the Xbox 360 API/SDK.

DirectX 10 is basically the 360 API... for Windows.