Anet: no new "expansion" in march, gamers are @$$holes!

Anet has canned (or been forced to can) an official expansion (for now) to their hit MMO guildwars 2. they had been talking about it for a tenative march release. they have instead opted for a massive content addition and revision. there will be new storyline content, new quests, new game features and possibly new lewt. however anyone expecting a boxed expansion or some sh!t with new races and professions or even new zones should keep their feet on the ground and forget those idea's "for now". the development team is currently working on the massive WvW overhaul for late january - early february.

Anet's community relations manager has fired back at the community of whiners who had their accounts banned for snowflake exploitation during the christmas event saying that we warned the community before when the karma absuers arose, and we expected you to LISTEN. stop b!tchin b/c you cant read. exploit abusers can and will be banned exploitation is clearly explained in the TOU which you as a gamer agreed to at time of installation and you also were reminded the last time this happened. thank you and may god have mercy on your greedy soul

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/video-game-shows/guild-wars-video/guildcast-guild-wars-show/guildcast-ep57-not-quite-guild-wars-2-expansion/

thank you and may god have mercy on your greedy soul

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]

Because they got their money and now they need less users playing, only those dedicated will put up with this sht and being that dedicated means those will most likely be constant spenders, so less stress on servers, less maintenance cost, less freeloaders (if paying for the game and supporting the company can be called freeloader) more money.

I get to have such things at launch or when you have a hefty expansion with lots of small things you could have never thought of testing even in your wildest dreams, but to mess up with some limited consumable introduced with a limited number of recipes, that's just bs they intended, just like War Z is conveniently attacked by hackers after its sales started to go down, problem that might lead to the game being closed.

It's way too hard for them, to suspend the exploiters for several days or strip them off their illegally owned mats or profits.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="JohnF111"]Yeah stupid whiners always whining.. You exploit you get banned, just because you can do it doesn't mean you're supposed to or allowed to.

Well I never expected an expansion anyway, if it did release then great but if not then hell I don't mind.chrisrooR

How is it their fault if the mechanics are present in the game? Seems a bit immature of them to leave these kinds of loopholes that people can access easily, and then banning people for playing within the boundaries that they THEMSELVES set.

Why not go the route of Blizzard, and temporarily suspend the User's account for exploitation, and patch in and update that closes the exploit?

Cut the drama, you got what he said, he obviously doesn't congratulate exploiters...

More "personal" story non-sense,

Ugh...

Also, I would love an expansion, hopefully set in Cantha, I wanna see how that continent has changed since GW1. Tyria was imo always the most boring of the 3 continents.

Blah should probably wrap up my personal story if they're going to add new ones (unless you don't have to). Can't wait for the big updates to be revealed.

More personal story...

From level 0 to 80 the story was absolutely atrocious. They should altogether just remove it from the game.

If there are new races to play, I hope they eventually add the Frog race (Hylek? I forget) and the Polar Bears. They should have had those in the first place instead of the Norn.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Yeah stupid whiners always whining.. You exploit you get banned, just because you can do it doesn't mean you're supposed to or allowed to. Well I never expected an expansion anyway, if it did release then great but if not then hell I don't mind.chrisrooR

I have to agree with this sentiment.. If I happened upon the merchant thing I would have had no idea that it was something wrong because I would have just started the game.. (for the record I didn't, nor was I banned..) Furthermore something that blatant I could hardly call a exploit instead of just a flat out fvck up.. Anet in that regard was holding the players responsible for their own fvck up.. That would be like Riot banning LoL players when they were stacking cleavers before the hotfix.. IT was their own mistake not the players.. It wasn't some out of the way hard to reproduce thing that broke code or other such nonsense.. When it comes to that regard I would take Blizzard any day of the week over Anet's hamfisted methods..

A complete and permanent ban on accounts is a stupid way to handle exploits. They are going to ban the game's population away, and then where is the money going to come from to fund the game? Temporary suspension, and economic penalties make more sense.

A complete and permanent ban on accounts is a stupid way to handle exploits. They are going to ban the game's population away, and then where is the money going to come from to fund the game? Temporary suspension, and economic penalties make more sense.

Falconoffury

[QUOTE="Falconoffury"]

A complete and permanent ban on accounts is a stupid way to handle exploits. They are going to ban the game's population away, and then where is the money going to come from to fund the game? Temporary suspension, and economic penalties make more sense.

Geminon

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="JohnF111"]Yeah stupid whiners always whining.. You exploit you get banned, just because you can do it doesn't mean you're supposed to or allowed to. Well I never expected an expansion anyway, if it did release then great but if not then hell I don't mind.sSubZerOo

I have to agree with this sentiment.. If I happened upon the merchant thing I would have had no idea that it was something wrong because I would have just started the game.. (for the record I didn't, nor was I banned..) Furthermore something that blatant I could hardly call a exploit instead of just a flat out fvck up.. Anet in that regard was holding the players responsible for their own fvck up.. That would be like Riot banning LoL players when they were stacking cleavers before the hotfix.. IT was their own mistake not the players.. It wasn't some out of the way hard to reproduce thing that broke code or other such nonsense.. When it comes to that regard I would take Blizzard any day of the week over Anet's hamfisted methods..

IIRC they were only banning people who were abusing the merchant thing rather than everyone who did it. However I didn't agree with that one, but exploiting a specific mechanic is bannable, people know what they are doing and are still going ahead with it. Blizzard does the same if people exploit bosses in WoW in an encounter breaking way.

[QUOTE="Geminon"][QUOTE="Falconoffury"]

A complete and permanent ban on accounts is a stupid way to handle exploits. They are going to ban the game's population away, and then where is the money going to come from to fund the game? Temporary suspension, and economic penalties make more sense.

DanielDust

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="JohnF111"]Yeah stupid whiners always whining.. You exploit you get banned, just because you can do it doesn't mean you're supposed to or allowed to. Well I never expected an expansion anyway, if it did release then great but if not then hell I don't mind.sSubZerOo

I have to agree with this sentiment.. If I happened upon the merchant thing I would have had no idea that it was something wrong because I would have just started the game.. (for the record I didn't, nor was I banned..) Furthermore something that blatant I could hardly call a exploit instead of just a flat out fvck up.. Anet in that regard was holding the players responsible for their own fvck up.. That would be like Riot banning LoL players when they were stacking cleavers before the hotfix.. IT was their own mistake not the players.. It wasn't some out of the way hard to reproduce thing that broke code or other such nonsense.. When it comes to that regard I would take Blizzard any day of the week over Anet's hamfisted methods..

Good this is something they should have done from the start (ban obvious exploiters / cheaters). Some people had so much gold due to some of these things that it kinda broke the market and people that did not exploit fell far behind. People that exploit will always whine when they get some kind of consequence for their actions. Just keep up the good work Anet!

(and yes i know they did some minor things when these things happened... But it did not stop some people from spending and moving around the gold.)

There are some games with very bad communities. If the GMs of Darkfall Online permanently banned everyone who exploited in that game, there would be virtually no population. It looks like Arenanet is picking a few hundred people to make an example for the rest of the playerbase. Meanwhile players debate what constitutes a bannable offense, as there is no clarity on the issue. I think this is a net loss for Arenanet because of how they handled the situation.

I might have to start it up again then, couldnt really get into it and the crafting seemed complex (dont play alot of mmo's)

The point, which you seem to be incapable of grasping, is that you can't ban people for doing something that THE GAME ALLOWS YOU TO DO. ANet has left the exploits IN the game, and expects people not to do it. That's a poor decision. Instead, maybe suspend those who abused it severely and TAKE IT OUT OF THE GAME.

many games have "allowed" players to dupe items in the past, due to a glitch. are you saying you cant ban people for clearly exploiting a problem in the code? the game allows you to do it, so why not right? i am not naive, you are just a low life. low lifers call honest people "naive" because they feel like they have to justify their actions. you think cheating is OK as long as you can somehow force an idiotic reason for it. take responsibility for your own actions. you cheated, you got punished for it.

ANET could place a mechanic in the game that instantly levels your character and gives you all the best gear... but if they tell you that you arent allowed to use it and you do it anyhow, you are a cheat, and you deserve to be banned. the fact of the matter is, exploiting a game system is against the rules. ANet sets the rules, because it is their game, NOT YOURS. they tell you how you are allowed to play, and if you dont follow their rules, you are banned. whether you think it is fair or not... it isnt up to you. play by the rules, or lose your account. its that simple.Geminon

It's not a problem that requires the player to manipulate code. It's in the game. Inside the finished game that is released for players to play through.

It isn't cheating, it's being smart with the tools that are provided to furthur your character. Cheating is ACTUALLY manipulating code, or downloading a bot to play for you. For example, lets say I play a game online and come across that's similar to the cotton example I had earlier. How would I know that it's considered an exploit? Would my assumption not be "Hey, I just found an amazing new way to generate money for my character?". You're assuming that everyone who used this exploit realized what they were doing was against the rules set by the developers.

And :lol: at your second part. Oh my f*ck dude. So if they put something in the game that would level your character instantly to level 80, you think that just telling people not to use the skill would stop people? That's naive.

And I haven't ever been banned from an MMORPG I've played, nor have I 'exploited'. I just feel it's foolish and backwards to punish someone for playing a game within the parameters I've set as its' creator.

P.S. It's cute that you think I've cheated, but I never have.

The point, which you seem to be incapable of grasping, is that you can't ban people for doing something that THE GAME ALLOWS YOU TO DO. ANet has left the exploits IN the game, and expects people not to do it. That's a poor decision. Instead, maybe suspend those who abused it severely and TAKE IT OUT OF THE GAME.KalDurenik

yes they can... They just did it so clearly they can ban people for doing that. In the end a exploit is a exploit.

[QUOTE="Geminon"] many games have "allowed" players to dupe items in the past, due to a glitch. are you saying you cant ban people for clearly exploiting a problem in the code? the game allows you to do it, so why not right? i am not naive, you are just a low life. low lifers call honest people "naive" because they feel like they have to justify their actions. you think cheating is OK as long as you can somehow force an idiotic reason for it. take responsibility for your own actions. you cheated, you got punished for it.

ANET could place a mechanic in the game that instantly levels your character and gives you all the best gear... but if they tell you that you arent allowed to use it and you do it anyhow, you are a cheat, and you deserve to be banned. the fact of the matter is, exploiting a game system is against the rules. ANet sets the rules, because it is their game, NOT YOURS. they tell you how you are allowed to play, and if you dont follow their rules, you are banned. whether you think it is fair or not... it isnt up to you. play by the rules, or lose your account. its that simple.chrisrooR

It's not a problem that requires the player to manipulate code. It's in the game. Inside the finished game that is released for players to play through.

It isn't cheating, it's being smart with the tools that are provided to furthur your character. Cheating is ACTUALLY manipulating code, or downloading a bot to play for you. For example, lets say I play a game online and come across that's similar to the cotton example I had earlier. How would I know that it's considered an exploit? Would my assumption not be "Hey, I just found an amazing new way to generate money for my character?". You're assuming that everyone who used this exploit realized what they were doing was against the rules set by the developers.

And :lol: at your second part. Oh my f*ck dude. So if they put something in the game that would level your character instantly to level 80, you think that just telling people not to use the skill would stop people? That's naive.

And I haven't ever been banned from an MMORPG I've played, nor have I 'exploited'. I just feel it's foolish and backwards to punish someone for playing a game within the parameters I've set as its' creator.

P.S. It's cute that you think I've cheated, but I never have.

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"]

The point, which you seem to be incapable of grasping, is that you can't ban people for doing something that THE GAME ALLOWS YOU TO DO. ANet has left the exploits IN the game, and expects people not to do it. That's a poor decision. Instead, maybe suspend those who abused it severely and TAKE IT OUT OF THE GAME.chrisrooR

yes they can... They just did it so clearly they can ban people for doing that. In the end a exploit is a exploit.

They need to focus on putting more features in and making it feel less grindy. I need it to be more complex or something, cause I just cannot stick with it for some reason.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="KalDurenik"]

The point, which you seem to be incapable of grasping, is that you can't ban people for doing something that THE GAME ALLOWS YOU TO DO. ANet has left the exploits IN the game, and expects people not to do it. That's a poor decision. Instead, maybe suspend those who abused it severely and TAKE IT OUT OF THE GAME.Geminon

yes they can... They just did it so clearly they can ban people for doing that. In the end a exploit is a exploit.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="Geminon"] many games have "allowed" players to dupe items in the past, due to a glitch. are you saying you cant ban people for clearly exploiting a problem in the code? the game allows you to do it, so why not right? i am not naive, you are just a low life. low lifers call honest people "naive" because they feel like they have to justify their actions. you think cheating is OK as long as you can somehow force an idiotic reason for it. take responsibility for your own actions. you cheated, you got punished for it.

ANET could place a mechanic in the game that instantly levels your character and gives you all the best gear... but if they tell you that you arent allowed to use it and you do it anyhow, you are a cheat, and you deserve to be banned. the fact of the matter is, exploiting a game system is against the rules. ANet sets the rules, because it is their game, NOT YOURS. they tell you how you are allowed to play, and if you dont follow their rules, you are banned. whether you think it is fair or not... it isnt up to you. play by the rules, or lose your account. its that simple.Geminon

It's not a problem that requires the player to manipulate code. It's in the game. Inside the finished game that is released for players to play through.

It isn't cheating, it's being smart with the tools that are provided to furthur your character. Cheating is ACTUALLY manipulating code, or downloading a bot to play for you. For example, lets say I play a game online and come across that's similar to the cotton example I had earlier. How would I know that it's considered an exploit? Would my assumption not be "Hey, I just found an amazing new way to generate money for my character?". You're assuming that everyone who used this exploit realized what they were doing was against the rules set by the developers.

And :lol: at your second part. Oh my f*ck dude. So if they put something in the game that would level your character instantly to level 80, you think that just telling people not to use the skill would stop people? That's naive.

And I haven't ever been banned from an MMORPG I've played, nor have I 'exploited'. I just feel it's foolish and backwards to punish someone for playing a game within the parameters I've set as its' creator.

P.S. It's cute that you think I've cheated, but I never have.

i have never been suspended and i support them in using a ban hammer on people that exploit it badly.KalDurenik

the fact of the matter is, exploiting a game system is against the rules. ANet sets the rules, because it is their game, NOT YOURS. they tell you how you are allowed to play, and if you dont follow their rules, you are banned. whether you think it is fair or not... it isnt up to you. play by the rules, or lose your account. its that simple.Geminon

Here is the problem. Arenanet is trying to tell a bunch of competitive, rebellious, young people, "We make the rules. We ban whoever we want. Don't like it, get out!" It is just not a great message to send to this audience if you want to keep business. Especially when they are making an example out of 200, when they could have banned far more. This is a game, not real life. The same ethical standards should not apply.

The fact is, in any competitive, PVP-oriented MMORPG, you have a certain population of individuals who are scumbags. They will cut throats, politically, steal from people, and take whatever advantage they can by exploiting the game. These people shouldn't be banned out of the game. These people give the good guys someone with whom to go to war. "Bad guys" in any PvP MMORPG are needed in order to keep things interesting.

I don't play GW2 but Lol why are there exploits in the game? Who created the exploits? the developers.. If it's in the game then it's in the game, a video-games rules are demonstrated through in-game mechanics, not through a "code of conduct" written on a web-page. Anet really are a crazy bunch of idiots, they should ban themselves from game development because they can't stop serious exploits.

well i guess bad news for the 500 people still playing gw2

I honestly dont see how people can defend exploiters?KalDurenik

1. First and for most if there's an exploit that is 100% the responsibility of the developers for allowing the exploit to occur. it's their code, the paying customers don't "create expliots". They're in the code typically unintentioanlly programmed by the developers.

2. Second of all it's a degradation of the product because as you explained these exploits can ruin the economy of the game. If anything the developers should be apologizing to customers instead of handing out bannings. They want to fix the situation they should have a system in place which can track the use of unintended game mechanics and then remove the assets.

By banning players Anet are just relinquishing responsibility. This is probably why there will be more exploits in the future as they have a weak mental attitude towards development.

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"] I honestly dont see how people can defend exploiters?ShimmerMan

1. First and for most if there's an exploit that is 100% the responsibility of the developers for allowing the exploit to occur. it's their code, the paying customers don't "create expliots". They're in the code typically unintentioanlly programmed by the developers.

2. Second of all it's a degradation of the product because as you explained these exploits can ruin the economy of the game. If anything the developers should be apologizing to customers instead of handing out bannings. They want to fix the situation they should have a system in place which can track the use of unintended game mechanics and then remove the assets.

By banning players Anet are just relinquishing responsibility. This is probably why there will be more exploits in the future as they have a weak mental attitude towards development.

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"] I honestly dont see how people can defend exploiters?ShimmerMan

1. First and for most if there's an exploit that is 100% the responsibility of the developers for allowing the exploit to occur. it's their code, the paying customers don't "create expliots". They're in the code typically unintentioanlly programmed by the developers.

2. Second of all it's a degradation of the product because as you explained these exploits can ruin the economy of the game. If anything the developers should be apologizing to customers instead of handing out bannings. They want to fix the situation they should have a system in place which can track the use of unintended game mechanics and then remove the assets.

By banning players Anet are just relinquishing responsibility. This is probably why there will be more exploits in the future as they have a weak mental attitude towards development.

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"] I honestly dont see how people can defend exploiters?ShimmerMan

1. First and for most if there's an exploit that is 100% the responsibility of the developers for allowing the exploit to occur. it's their code, the paying customers don't "create expliots". They're in the code typically unintentioanlly programmed by the developers.

2. Second of all it's a degradation of the product because as you explained these exploits can ruin the economy of the game. If anything the developers should be apologizing to customers instead of handing out bannings. They want to fix the situation they should have a system in place which can track the use of unintended game mechanics and then remove the assets.

By banning players Anet are just relinquishing responsibility. This is probably why there will be more exploits in the future as they have a weak mental attitude towards development.

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"] I honestly dont see how people can defend exploiters?Geminon

1. First and for most if there's an exploit that is 100% the responsibility of the developers for allowing the exploit to occur. it's their code, the paying customers don't "create expliots". They're in the code typically unintentioanlly programmed by the developers.

2. Second of all it's a degradation of the product because as you explained these exploits can ruin the economy of the game. If anything the developers should be apologizing to customers instead of handing out bannings. They want to fix the situation they should have a system in place which can track the use of unintended game mechanics and then remove the assets.

By banning players Anet are just relinquishing responsibility. This is probably why there will be more exploits in the future as they have a weak mental attitude towards development.

yeah and there is totally no responsibility on the players part to report and NOT use exploits when they are identified.... .Geminon

There's completely no responsibility for the player to do this. The player enters the game and uses the mechanics which the developer has implemented into the game to win the game. That's all a video game is about and there shouldn't be any expectations from Developers for "moralistic" or "society" based values when it comes to players using video game mechanics. The thought of expecting every player to stop acting like a player and start acting like a civilian in society and to start "reporting bugs" and policing and forcably and mentally stopping themselves from using mechanics because they're "unintended" or too profitable is ridiculous. It's a video "game" not real life, people who use bugs or exploits are just being "players" who are trying to beat the game and are using whatever is most profitable for them to win.